No its not the same. If I have a knife that isn't illegal in many places. Using it for a crime is but simply possessing it isnt. I could use a baseball bat for violent crimes but until I use it to attack someone its just a baseball bat. The same cannot be said for an illegal immigrant.

Also asking to see paperwork is much less intrusive than doing a search. If they want to do a full scale crackdown and ask every citizen to show proof I have no problem doing my part regardless of ethnicity.

thats my suggestion, infringe upon ALL citizens to 'do their part' not just a certain ethnicity/gender/race

Also there are 30 million people of mexican decent in the US. There are up to 20 million illegal immigrants. If 50% are Mexican that leaves almost 10 million or 1/3 of the mexican population.

The rate of violent criminals to men in the US would probably be less than 1% given that the total incarceration rate is only .75%

very different.

The Department of Homeland Security reported that illegal immigrant population dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 compared to 11.6 million in 2008.

48.4 million million

The estimated Hispanic population of the United States as of July 1, 2009, making people of Hispanic origin the nation's largest ethnic or race minority



Read more: Hispanic Americans: Census Facts — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html#ixzz1DqWxgHcq


perhaps 1 in 4


incarceration rate is a poor judgement of criminality, it only judges who gets caught and incarcerated

ironically that rate would probably increase drastically if we started profiling males more often and performing random stop and searches on them as well

Wonder how the DHS got these numbers in 2008 and 2009...

the census was not taken until 2010....

What did they do...

Racial profile and simply count everyone they saw with a brown skin as 'hispanic'...

How can the numbers posted actually be correct...

It takes money and man power to conduct such a count...

to claim this as a fact for 2008 and 2009 is like claiming that 40,000 geese flew south in the USA... and counting them from iceland by their reflection on the clouds.

good point. its kind of like estimating how many criminals there are just by those who have been 'CAUGHT' or 'CONVICTED'

I know the Pew Research has a Hispanic section which conducts surveys and studies as well about the hispanic population, but im sure those numbers are as fallable as any census or survey or poll,,,,just a place to start

My quote of 30 million was from teh 2010 census.

Well you are not guilty unless convicted. Doesn't matter the numbers are nowhere near the same.

I didnt say anything about guilt. I was speaking about criminals.

criminal:1: one who has committed a crime
2: a person who has been convicted of a crime


plenty of criminals out there yet to be caught and who died never being caught,,,incarceration is an indicator of who is most often arrested and convicted, not of who is most often committing crimes

thats one we may never know

See I can easily refer to the second definition and say convicted. The convicted rates are the only numbers we can truly go off of. If the incarceration rate in the US is .75% and not all those are violent crimes and even if we assume only 1 out of 10 get caught we only have 7.5% criminals which are not all men and not all violent criminals. Then it is farther reduced by only 50% of violent criminals being men thus it is nowhere near the same numbers.

So if you said that at all times 1/4 men carried an illegal weapon should cops do random searches I would say yes.

well, if I were mexican american, I would consider my LIBERTY highly offended if I were treated as 'guilty until proven innocent'

sounds like the same rationale they use to stop other races disproportionately based upon 'statistical' probability of one race over another

we arent statistics, we are americans of many ethnicities and cultures and we should, each of us, be treated as such

I see no problem with people being asked for proof of citizenship. I am sorry but they target people that fit the description of perpetrators of a crime. If someone of my hight build and race commits a crime there is a possibility I will be taken in for questioning and put in a line up. They are going off the physical description of a perpetrator. 1/4 being illegal is not a small number and our tax dollars are being spent on these 20something million. I don't care if they want to check everyone's citizenship.

Make it law that they can ask anyone so everyone must carry it. Who they chose to ask is up to them. Just like how my muslim friends used to always get searched at airports after 9/11. People will always check who they think is the biggest threat pertaining to a certain crime.

And some are here illegally and therefore are criminals because of it. A cop cannot stop someone because of their color, in fact the law also states that they cannot ask because of accent either. This law will be upheld and many other states will follow suit so criminal entrants in this country better get used to it. I would also like to remind people that this law does not specify any race, the only ones crying Mexican are the lefties.

Every one assumes that racial profiling is about race... Done properly it is not... It is about circumstance (and does not allways apply)...

example... I was once looking for low cost housing in North Las Vegas... North Las Vegas is a predominately black area... I was pulled over by the NLV cops because RACIAL PROFILING indicated that if I (a white male) was in that area it was probable that I was looking for trouble.

Which is what the cop told me when he pulled me over.

the cop was a racist jerk,,sorry, its true

because someone wears a badge doesnt mean they are always upholding actual laws,,,