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| Topic: Where do morals come from??? | |
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Trust, truth, universal human warrant, universal behavioral expectation.
Which one would you like to discuss? That's very funny actually. These are the properties of morality because exactly who says so? You? And "truth" is a deep subject. People have been discussing that for centuries. |
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They are the properties because they are extant in every known and reasonably imaginable case. They are objective because they are not subject to our thoughts/beliefs. Rather our thoughts/beliefs are subject to them. Truth is only deep if you make more complex than it needs to be. Truth is actually very simple in how we first instantiate it.
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Jb:
You said that you have not defined morality into existence, nor assumed its existence as a premiss in your argument, but that you have sought out to identify what morality is. If you did not assume its existence, why then would you seek to identify or define what it is? Why not just agree with the common academic understanding of it? What's wrong with that? I did not assume that it was universal. In fact, I began by arguing against any kind of objective morality. I do agree with much of the common academic understanding. I must in order to be able communicate about it. We all agree on much more than we disagree. |
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Why I know that love is not an emotion.
I love my parents but I'm not emotional about it. When they die, I may grieve. Grief is an emotion. If they came up missing, I may worry and fret. Those are emotions. Anger is an emotion. Sadness is an emotion. Fear is an emotion. Falling is love is an emotion. (It is not love - it is a chemical sexual reaction that may initiate feelings of desire, anticipation, happiness, jealousy, etc.) Love is a bond. It is a quantum connection and a fabric that holds the universe together. |
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Why I know that love is not an emotion. I love my parents but I'm not emotional about it. When they die, I may grieve. Grief is an emotion. If they came up missing, I may worry and fret. Those are emotions. Anger is an emotion. Sadness is an emotion. Fear is an emotion. Falling is love is an emotion. (It is not love - it is a chemical sexual reaction that may initiate feelings of desire, anticipation, happiness, jealousy, etc.) Love is a bond. It is a quantum connection and a fabric that holds the universe together. Have you actually seen the molecules for that fabric.....because i am sure scientist around the world would love to reproduce it. . . |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/09/11 12:16 PM
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Why I know that love is not an emotion. I love my parents but I'm not emotional about it. When they die, I may grieve. Grief is an emotion. If they came up missing, I may worry and fret. Those are emotions. Anger is an emotion. Sadness is an emotion. Fear is an emotion. Falling is love is an emotion. (It is not love - it is a chemical sexual reaction that may initiate feelings of desire, anticipation, happiness, jealousy, etc.) Love is a bond. It is a quantum connection and a fabric that holds the universe together. Have you actually seen the molecules for that fabric.....because i am sure scientist around the world would love to reproduce it. . . Its not a molecule. It is a quantum particle. And "scientists" havn't even figured that out yet. But they are working on it. |
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They are the properties because they are extant in every known and reasonably imaginable case. They are objective because they are not subject to our thoughts/beliefs. Rather our thoughts/beliefs are subject to them. Truth is only deep if you make more complex than it needs to be. Truth is actually very simple in how we first instantiate it. I appears you have given it a lot of thought. I know you believe that objective things are not subject to our thoughts or beliefs but I can't, in truth, agree with that claim. I hold that on the quantum level everything that exists, objective or subjective is subject to our thought/beliefs. It is that quantum level that is the underlying structure for all that exists, so I cannot conclude that it does not affect our objective reality. But I do understand where you are going with your theory given your premises. I guess what I don't understand is why. |
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Love is an emotion, I think you are referring to an aura which is used to see through peoples emotions. I think right now scientist are working cures for cancer, Alzheimer and Aids to satisfy their emotional connection to the human race.
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Love is an emotion, I think you are referring to an aura which is used to see through peoples emotions. I think right now scientist are working cures for cancer, Alzheimer and Aids to satisfy their emotional connection to the human race. That is the common (very common) belief. But as I said, I love, but I am not the least bit emotional about it. Therefore, believe what you wish of course. I disagree. |
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Why I know that love is not an emotion. I love my parents but I'm not emotional about it. When they die, I may grieve. Grief is an emotion. If they came up missing, I may worry and fret. Those are emotions. You are not emotional about it?? but you will grieve, which you just said is an emotion, why worry, why fear if these are all emotions and you are not emotional about the love for your parents.. If your love is that strong that it would cause emotions....to lose them arent these a reaction to show how strong our love is for someone, why then the expression an emotional roller coaster, first your high and then you are low. . . I guess only the lows are emotions and the highs are just. . . some invisible fabric. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/09/11 01:19 PM
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Why I know that love is not an emotion. I love my parents but I'm not emotional about it. When they die, I may grieve. Grief is an emotion. If they came up missing, I may worry and fret. Those are emotions. You are not emotional about it?? Right. I love, but I am not emotional about it. ...but you will grieve, which you just said is an emotion, why worry, why fear if these are all emotions and you are not emotional about the love for your parents.. If your love is that strong that it would cause emotions....to lose them arent these a reaction to show how strong our love is for someone, why then the expression an emotional roller coaster, first your high and then you are low. . . I guess only the lows are emotions and the highs are just. . . some invisible fabric.
The "love" is the bond. It is the connection. The fear is a fear that bond will be broken. The grief is the feeling or belief that the bond has been broken. The worry is also a fear, often imagined, that a bond will be broken in the future. An "emotional roller coaster" is mostly caused by fear, not by love. The high's are a feeling of joy when the bond is realized. The low's are a feeling of loss and fear when the bond is not realized. If you can realize that love is always present, you can maintain emotional stability. |
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Edited by
Simonedemidova
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Wed 03/09/11 01:26 PM
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if love is not an emotion, than neither is grief. . . last i checked it was a bunch of chemical reactions of the brain anyways. . .actual chemicals. . . emotion, mood swinging chemicals. ..and that was discovered ions ago.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/09/11 01:31 PM
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if love is not an emotion, than neither is grief. . . last i checked it was a bunch of chemical reactions of the brain anyways. . .actual chemicals. . . emotion, mood swinging chemicals. ..and that was discovered ions ago. One does not really feel love. They feel joy. Joy is an emotion. Grief is a feeling of loss. It is a feeling sorry for ones's self. Real love is unselfish. Real love is a desire for the happiness of the one you love. |
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Jb:
It appears you have given it a lot of thought. I know you believe that objective things are not subject to our thoughts or beliefs but I can't, in truth, agree with that claim. I hold that on the quantum level everything that exists, objective or subjective is subject to our thought/beliefs. That's becoming a popular notion. I simply do not understand the mathematics enough in order to be able argue about it, or even discuss it with any significant degree of genuine understanding. I suppose Wittgenstein's quote holds good here... That of which we cannot speak, we must pass over in silence. It is that quantum level that is the underlying structure for all that exists, so I cannot conclude that it does not affect our objective reality.
You also cannot make the claim that that quantum scale is the underlying structure for all that exists. It could get smaller than that. It is already well beyond our ability to measure. The quantum arguments for consciousness and the like rarely contain both, accurate knowledge of quantum mechanics and valid inference from. But I do understand where you are going with your theory given your premises. I guess what I don't understand is why.
There is nothing which is more important than morality. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/09/11 07:18 PM
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You also cannot make the claim that that quantum scale is the underlying structure for all that exists.
True, but its not really my claim. Science has been looking for the bottom building blocks of the universe for a long time. They haven't found it yet, and may never find it. So far, the quantum world is all they have, and it seems to have them puzzled. 
Beyond that all I have is my own ideas. The quantum arguments for consciousness and the like rarely contain both, accurate knowledge of quantum mechanics and valid inference from.
I wouldn't dare tread into an argument about quantum consciousness with you. I am only speaking of known science. At one time it was thought that the Atom was the final building block of matter. Now they know better. There are also things out there we can't see. (anti-matter, dark matter, shadow photons, etc.) |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/09/11 07:21 PM
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There is nothing which is more important than morality.
I meant I did not understand why you are on a personal quest to identify and redefine it. |
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The way the world works troubles me.
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The way the world works troubles me. That makes two of us. |
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Not interested in how we can arrive at those universally extant properties? That takes some tunnel vision... I warn you ahead of time.
Let's talk about how humans instantiate truth and truth. It is quite interesting, imo. |
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Be my guest!
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