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Boy, didn't see this coming
![]() RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - A federal judge in Virginia has declared the Obama administration's health care reform law unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is the first judge to rule against the law. It has been upheld by two other judges in Virginia and Michigan. Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli filed the lawsuit challenging the law's requirement that citizens buy health insurance or pay a penalty starting in 2014. He argues the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose the requirement. Other lawsuits are pending, including one filed by 20 states in a Florida court. Virginia is not part of that lawsuit. The U.S. Justice Department and opponents of the health care law agree that the U.S. Supreme Court will have the final word. (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) |
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What's H got left to hold over their heads for rejecting his plan.
Everyone knows he's not going to deport Illegals. |
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boredinaz06
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Mon 12/13/10 01:17 PM
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What's H got left to hold over their heads for rejecting his plan. Everyone knows he's not going to deport Illegals. Good question ![]() |
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What's H got left to hold over their heads for rejecting his plan. Everyone knows he's not going to deport Illegals. Good question ![]() how about withholding funds for medical related costs, like they did to pass car insurance by withholding certain highway funding etc,,,, it can be done, if the government must invest in medical AT all, they will have some say of what conditions must be met to do so,,, |
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What's H got left to hold over their heads for rejecting his plan. Everyone knows he's not going to deport Illegals. Good question ![]() how about withholding funds for medical related costs, like they did to pass car insurance by withholding certain highway funding etc,,,, it can be done, if the government must invest in medical AT all, they will have some say of what conditions must be met to do so,,, Yeah that's not gonna happen. This guy has enough problems already because of his ways, last thing he needs is for a semi national revolt by a dozen or so states. |
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Besides, forced health care was deemed unconstitutional so it will never come to light. If he takes to the scotus he'll lose there too. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 12/13/10 03:21 PM
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Besides, forced health care was deemed unconstitutional so it will never come to light. If he takes to the scotus he'll lose there too. when was it so 'deemed'? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_federal_judges_are_there_in_the_US 678 district judges 179 appelate judges 9 supreme court judges 1 down, plenty to go,, noone expected them all to uphold it, time will see how it plays out once the EXPERTS in law are done ,,,, |
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What's H got left to hold over their heads for rejecting his plan. Everyone knows he's not going to deport Illegals. Good question ![]() how about withholding funds for medical related costs, like they did to pass car insurance by withholding certain highway funding etc,,,, it can be done, if the government must invest in medical AT all, they will have some say of what conditions must be met to do so,,, That's like comparing apples to oranges. No, auto insurance laws have to deal with personal property rights. You can be held liable for destroying someones property (i.e their house) with your property (i.e a Prius) The government doesn't have the right to impose a law that requires you to buy anything from a private for profit corporation, under the pretense of health. That is a "self-determination" issue and something completely different. I'd rather spend my $400 a month on something like food or electricity, which in the end is more conducive to good health than giving it to an insurance company. If the government was to "socialize" medicine, they would have the right to levee a tax to pay for it (i.e. Medicare). However, since the government is choosing to leave health-care as a "for profit" model, they do not have the right to force me to use it. I'm sure not going to give my money to an insurance company just so I have to hire a lawyer to get it back at a later date. That's how the system is set up now, and that is why I don't participate in it. I pay my way if necessary, but I sure won't give a bunch of insurance magnets 30% of my health-care money just because the government says I have to do it. Don't worry, I'll be the first to go to prison for your rights, I will not get insurance and I will not pay the fine. |
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I wasnt comparing apples to oranges actually,
I was posting about cooperative federalism. Because the government supplies funds for building highways, they have a vested interest in taking care of those highways and the conditions on them, so they have a reasonable input into what conditions will provide for the best investment such as speed limit, car insurance, etc,,,,, this isnt a mandate, but it provides SIGNIFICANT motiviation to cooperate with the requirements likewise, because the government provides funds for hospitals, they have a vested interest in taking care of those operations in the most fiscally responsible manner , patient insurance, medical training(although the doctors are no longer hospital employees),,etc,, I will leave it to the actual legal experts to duke it out and see what turns up in the end,,,, |
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What's H got left to hold over their heads for rejecting his plan. Everyone knows he's not going to deport Illegals. Good question ![]() how about withholding funds for medical related costs, like they did to pass car insurance by withholding certain highway funding etc,,,, it can be done, if the government must invest in medical AT all, they will have some say of what conditions must be met to do so,,, That's like comparing apples to oranges. No, auto insurance laws have to deal with personal property rights. You can be held liable for destroying someones property (i.e their house) with your property (i.e a Prius) The government doesn't have the right to impose a law that requires you to buy anything from a private for profit corporation, under the pretense of health. That is a "self-determination" issue and something completely different. I'd rather spend my $400 a month on something like food or electricity, which in the end is more conducive to good health than giving it to an insurance company. If the government was to "socialize" medicine, they would have the right to levee a tax to pay for it (i.e. Medicare). However, since the government is choosing to leave health-care as a "for profit" model, they do not have the right to force me to use it. I'm sure not going to give my money to an insurance company just so I have to hire a lawyer to get it back at a later date. That's how the system is set up now, and that is why I don't participate in it. I pay my way if necessary, but I sure won't give a bunch of insurance magnets 30% of my health-care money just because the government says I have to do it. Don't worry, I'll be the first to go to prison for your rights, I will not get insurance and I will not pay the fine. do what you feel is right, we all determine what we think is a priority and this is something I think is the right and fair thing |
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I see the national health care tax on the horizon!!
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He argues the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose the requirement. Well, thats refreshing. I'm trying not to go off topic here, but there are a TON of other things I'd like to see stricken down based on a similar argument... Things which seem even more apropos to (of?) the argument. |
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I guess the Supreme Court will need to repeal Medicare....People have to buy that too.
I can't wait to see the fireworks when that happens. |
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It would be so great if this was the beginning of a judicial shake down of the unconstitutionality in our government, across the board.
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REPEAL TAXATION!!!!
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Besides, forced health care was deemed unconstitutional so it will never come to light. If he takes to the scotus he'll lose there too. when was it so 'deemed'? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_federal_judges_are_there_in_the_US 678 district judges 179 appelate judges 9 supreme court judges 1 down, plenty to go,, noone expected them all to uphold it, time will see how it plays out once the EXPERTS in law are done ,,,, Today. Did you read this? RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - A federal judge in Virginia has declared the Obama administration's health care reform law unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is the first judge to rule against the law. It has been upheld by two other judges in Virginia and Michigan. Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli filed the lawsuit challenging the law's requirement that citizens buy health insurance or pay a penalty starting in 2014. He argues the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose the requirement. Other lawsuits are pending, including one filed by 20 states in a Florida court. Virginia is not part of that lawsuit. The U.S. Justice Department and opponents of the health care law agree that the U.S. Supreme Court will have the final word. (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) |
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Besides, forced health care was deemed unconstitutional so it will never come to light. If he takes to the scotus he'll lose there too. when was it so 'deemed'? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_federal_judges_are_there_in_the_US 678 district judges 179 appelate judges 9 supreme court judges 1 down, plenty to go,, noone expected them all to uphold it, time will see how it plays out once the EXPERTS in law are done ,,,, Today. Did you read this? RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - A federal judge in Virginia has declared the Obama administration's health care reform law unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is the first judge to rule against the law. It has been upheld by two other judges in Virginia and Michigan. Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli filed the lawsuit challenging the law's requirement that citizens buy health insurance or pay a penalty starting in 2014. He argues the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose the requirement. Other lawsuits are pending, including one filed by 20 states in a Florida court. Virginia is not part of that lawsuit. The U.S. Justice Department and opponents of the health care law agree that the U.S. Supreme Court will have the final word. (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) ok, but that is the ruling of ONE judge, its not absolute national authority,,,,its just the beginning of the judicial debate until supreme court finalizes a decision |
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Besides, forced health care was deemed unconstitutional so it will never come to light. If he takes to the scotus he'll lose there too. when was it so 'deemed'? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_federal_judges_are_there_in_the_US 678 district judges 179 appelate judges 9 supreme court judges 1 down, plenty to go,, noone expected them all to uphold it, time will see how it plays out once the EXPERTS in law are done ,,,, Today. Did you read this? RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - A federal judge in Virginia has declared the Obama administration's health care reform law unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is the first judge to rule against the law. It has been upheld by two other judges in Virginia and Michigan. Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli filed the lawsuit challenging the law's requirement that citizens buy health insurance or pay a penalty starting in 2014. He argues the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose the requirement. Other lawsuits are pending, including one filed by 20 states in a Florida court. Virginia is not part of that lawsuit. The U.S. Justice Department and opponents of the health care law agree that the U.S. Supreme Court will have the final word. (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) ok, but that is the ruling of ONE judge, its not absolute national authority,,,,its just the beginning of the judicial debate until supreme court finalizes a decision And we all know that the Supreme Court's majority are Conservative, so I hope it goes before the Supreme Court. |
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Besides, forced health care was deemed unconstitutional so it will never come to light. If he takes to the scotus he'll lose there too. when was it so 'deemed'? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_federal_judges_are_there_in_the_US 678 district judges 179 appelate judges 9 supreme court judges 1 down, plenty to go,, noone expected them all to uphold it, time will see how it plays out once the EXPERTS in law are done ,,,, Today. Did you read this? RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - A federal judge in Virginia has declared the Obama administration's health care reform law unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is the first judge to rule against the law. It has been upheld by two other judges in Virginia and Michigan. Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli filed the lawsuit challenging the law's requirement that citizens buy health insurance or pay a penalty starting in 2014. He argues the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose the requirement. Other lawsuits are pending, including one filed by 20 states in a Florida court. Virginia is not part of that lawsuit. The U.S. Justice Department and opponents of the health care law agree that the U.S. Supreme Court will have the final word. (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) ok, but that is the ruling of ONE judge, its not absolute national authority,,,,its just the beginning of the judicial debate until supreme court finalizes a decision He is a federal judge who can and did strike that portion down. When it gets to the big boys I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole get the boot. |
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