Topic: Tap water or Bottled water? and why?
boredinaz06's photo
Fri 12/03/10 07:31 PM



Filtered tap water

krupa's photo
Fri 12/03/10 07:33 PM

to me, the best thing to do is what andy said, filtered tap water... you can but a filter that mounts to you faucet for about 30 dollars, or even a filtered pitcher for about 20 dollars... they are the best and cheapest way to go...


Sorry to bust your bubble bro....

The news and advertisements offer very limited and mostly biased info. I have tested personally every filtration method available in texas (except for steam distillations cause the liscences for a distillary are just retardedly expensive)

Brita and others at best remove about 1/8th of the TDS count. (Total Dissolved Solids) which is better than nothing but is actually about as effective as straining it through a tightly rolled up pair of socks. The carbon filters they use (coal) will last about 20-25 times before they start shedding trapped contaminants back into your glass unless you use steam regeneration to blow off the particals and re establish the positive and negative electrical fields in the carbon atoms which is what actually traps all the crap you are trying to avoid.

Cheer_up's photo
Fri 12/03/10 07:36 PM
The International Bottled Water Association (IBWA) website states (1):

The ‘FDA has established a bottled water Standard of Identity to define the several different types of bottled water based on specific characteristics of the product. Bottled water products meeting the Standard of Identity may be labeled as bottled water or drinking water, or one or more of the following terms:

Spring Water - Bottled water derived from an underground formation from which water flows naturally to the surface of the earth. Spring water must be collected only at the spring or through a borehole tapping the underground formation feeding the spring. Spring water collected with the use of an external force must be from the same underground stratum as the spring and must have all the physical properties before treatment, and be of the same composition and quality as the water that flows naturally to the surface of the earth

Purified Water - Water that has been produced by distillation, deionization, reverse osmosis or other suitable processes while meeting the definition of purified water in the United States Pharmacopoeia may be labeled as purified bottled water. Other suitable product names for bottled water treated by one of the above processes may include "distilled water" if it is produced by distillation, deionized water" if it is produced by deionization or "reverse osmosis water" if the process used is reverse osmosis. Alternatively, "___ drinking water" can be used with the blank being filled in with one of the terms defined in this paragraph (e.g., "purified drinking water" or "distilled drinking water").

Mineral Water - Bottled water containing not less than 250 parts per million total dissolved solids may be labeled as mineral water. Mineral water is distinguished from other types of bottled water by its constant level and relative proportions of mineral and trace elements at the point of emergence from the source. No minerals can be added to this product.

Sparkling Bottled Water - Water that after treatment, and possible replacement with carbon dioxide, contains the same amount of carbon dioxide that it had as it emerged from the source. Sparkling bottled waters may be labeled as "sparkling drinking water," "sparkling mineral water," "sparkling spring water," etc.

Artesian Water/Artesian Well Water - Bottled water from a well that taps a confined aquifer (a water-bearing underground layer of rock or sand) in which the water level stands at some height above the top of the aquifer.

Well Water - Bottled water from a hole bored, drilled or otherwise constructed in the ground, which taps the water aquifer.’

fireflysgirl's photo
Fri 12/03/10 07:37 PM

I was raised on tap and well water and never had a problem with it.

Now my actual career is testing and production in the bottled water industry in Texas. Plenty of people live long and healthy lives on tap or surface water sources. The actual formula for determining if something is healthy or not in water (iron/calcium, nitrates, etc) is 2 liters x parts per million (of whatever) x 365x70= carcinogenic beyond a certain set value per contaminant.

I will say this, our city has really good water compared to any standards. But, if you saw the stuff I blow out of my filtration units everyday.....you would equate tap water to drinking out of a puddle in your driveway.

To really solidify it...all water is required to have weekly samples submitted for bacteriological stability in an effort to stem e-coli outbreaks or epidemics. (there is a reason that you dont drink the water in mexico). Our bacterialogical labs throw away everyones water except for the water from my plant. The ones who shut down food and beverage plants drink only my water....this is the reason they told me: I am the only person in the state with a 100% perfect record for absolute product purity for 5 years straight. No one else, not coke/ pepsico/ nestle waters...no one else maintains the absolute ridgidity of thier standards like I do. (cause I dont let my helpers run my system)


Note: avoid drinking purified or distilled water unless you mix it with tea/coffee/ koolaid etc. It has a monsterous PH acidity balance and will increase stomach acids leading to heartburn and acid reflux. That is the reason it is used in producing battery acid.


so which company is yours krupa?

krupa's photo
Fri 12/03/10 07:48 PM
Edited by krupa on Fri 12/03/10 07:57 PM

just something on bottled water i think some should know......What are the Health Risks of Bottled Water?
As for bottled water, it is first important to know that 25 to 30 percent of it comes straight from municipal tap water systems, despite the pretty nature scenes on the bottles that imply otherwise. Some of that water goes through additional filtering, but some does not. NRDC has researched bottled water extensively and has found that it is “subject to less rigorous testing and purity standards than those which apply to city tap water.”

Bottled water is required to be tested less frequently than tap water for bacteria and chemical contaminants, and U.S. Food and Drug Administration bottled water rules allow for some contamination by E. coli or fecal coliform, contrary to EPA tap water rules that prohibit any such contamination.

Similarly, NRDC found that there are no requirements for bottled water to be disinfected or tested for parasites such as cryptosporidium or giardia, unlike more stringent EPA rules regulating tap water. This leaves open the possibility, says NRDC, that some bottled water may present similar health threats to those with weakened immune systems, the elderly and others they caution about drinking tap water.



Not sure where that applies to

In Texas (I studied for a year and a half for my bottlers liscence) Testing for coliforms (e-coli, cryptosporidium, giardia, etc) is required for every 5 days of production with complete records of TDS/Conductivity/PH/ Disinfectant levels. $300 per week

Annual Radiospectrometry Testing runs $6,000 per bottle per product.

Testing indeed does happen.

Fly, I am the production mgr for Aquaone: Abilene, Lubbock, Midland, Witchita Falls, Amarillo and soon to be expanding into the Four Corners region.

seamac's photo
Fri 12/03/10 07:49 PM
Well I certainly have been enlightened! Some of this I knew but WOW! I drink tap water mostly, bottled if I am out and forgot to grab my water cup.

If this has already been stated (I read kinda fast) for those of you who drink bottled water, read up on the dangers of re-using the plastic bottles and about the dangers of drinking from them when they have been warmed by the heat building up in your car. I am not an expert (bowing to Krupa here) but heard enough that I stopped leaving plastic bottles of water in my car.

Also I hope that all those bottles are being recycled, not throw in the trash!

krupa's photo
Fri 12/03/10 08:03 PM

Well I certainly have been enlightened! Some of this I knew but WOW! I drink tap water mostly, bottled if I am out and forgot to grab my water cup.

If this has already been stated (I read kinda fast) for those of you who drink bottled water, read up on the dangers of re-using the plastic bottles and about the dangers of drinking from them when they have been warmed by the heat building up in your car. I am not an expert (bowing to Krupa here) but heard enough that I stopped leaving plastic bottles of water in my car.

Also I hope that all those bottles are being recycled, not throw in the trash!


Seababy...relax. The heat in your car is not the heat used for carcinagenics testing which requires actual breaking of molecular strands (smoking) not just a warped bottle. The positive carcinagen testing (under completeley unrealistic conditions) applies to PET bottles which are going to be soon unavailable if the senate follows through with banning them next year.

seamac's photo
Fri 12/03/10 08:08 PM


Well I certainly have been enlightened! Some of this I knew but WOW! I drink tap water mostly, bottled if I am out and forgot to grab my water cup.

If this has already been stated (I read kinda fast) for those of you who drink bottled water, read up on the dangers of re-using the plastic bottles and about the dangers of drinking from them when they have been warmed by the heat building up in your car. I am not an expert (bowing to Krupa here) but heard enough that I stopped leaving plastic bottles of water in my car.

Also I hope that all those bottles are being recycled, not throw in the trash!


Seababy...relax. The heat in your car is not the heat used for carcinagenics testing which requires actual breaking of molecular strands (smoking) not just a warped bottle. The positive carcinagen testing (under completeley unrealistic conditions) applies to PET bottles which are going to be soon unavailable if the senate follows through with banning them next year.



I love it when you call me Seababy! Thanks for the info, just goes to prove once again that you can't believe everything you hear.

Cheer_up's photo
Fri 12/03/10 08:19 PM
Well it all depends where you come from and how clean are the filters or where the bottled water you drink comes from and do they test it its a lot different in usa then Canada too and even worse in then 3rd world countrys its sad cause are bodys are like 75% water if i were you all depending where you are i would look up info on whats best from where your from or where the bottled water is shipped from i just wanted to open everyones eyes on water its 1 of the most important things to have is good water have a great 1 all cheers

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Fri 12/03/10 08:27 PM
Good Ole Montana Tap Water!:banana: biggrin

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Fri 12/03/10 10:08 PM
Tap water, because I can pay $0.00 - $0.05 for what I would be paying $1.50 for, with no proven benefit.

thewaterbearer's photo
Fri 12/03/10 10:15 PM
Just plain tap water its good I like it cold so I throw in ice cubeshappy :heart:

Simonedemidova's photo
Fri 12/03/10 10:27 PM
who really cares when you're hot n thirsty. It's not like we are 3rd world nation w/ malaria or something.

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Fri 12/03/10 11:14 PM
Filter system installed - long ago paid for itself vs. bottled water. My home water was nasty, but I was raised on good ole country well, spring water that can't be beat to this day !

I went to house filter system for myself, my health, my pocketbook and the environment's sake. I have a glass/cup travel deal to take with me when I go.

This way - all water used in my house - for coffee, cooking - ok who am I kidding? sounded good - and the animals is a lot better tasting and hopefully a bit healthier!

s1owhand's photo
Fri 12/03/10 11:26 PM
Tap water - but know the quality of your water. It is a simple
matter to filter it. Bottled water is often no better or even
worse than tap water. Bottled water is actually only bottled tap
water after all.

drinker

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Fri 12/03/10 11:44 PM
About bottled water, i do not have any statistics for you. I do, though, have an interesting point. There was a natural spring, about 100 yards from the Olcmulgee river, here in Ga. It was called "poor Robin springs" It was an area attraction, and people used to swim there. At any rate, a bottling company bought the property and closed it to the public. So, my job was to wire and install the plc's for the pumping of water, to a holding tank. From the spring? Nope, from a 450 feet deep well drilled right next to the spring. So the water is nothing more than what you get from any deep well. The water is coming from an aquifer, not a spring, yet it is labeled "pure spring water".

Jtevans's photo
Sat 12/04/10 12:47 AM

About bottled water, i do not have any statistics for you. I do, though, have an interesting point. There was a natural spring, about 100 yards from the Olcmulgee river, here in Ga. It was called "poor Robin springs" It was an area attraction, and people used to swim there. At any rate, a bottling company bought the property and closed it to the public. So, my job was to wire and install the plc's for the pumping of water, to a holding tank. From the spring? Nope, from a 450 feet deep well drilled right next to the spring. So the water is nothing more than what you get from any deep well. The water is coming from an aquifer, not a spring, yet it is labeled "pure spring water".



i know there are a lot of natural springs around here,some of the run into rivers/creeks.those rivers/creeks i will not drink water from because farmers have ruined them by letting their cattle venture into them and they also have chicken and turkey houses not far from these water supplies!

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Sat 12/04/10 12:59 AM
I have always heard that Federal standards for tap water are far more strict then private bottled water.I have read several times that tap water is safer and just as healthy as bottled water.I never drink bottled water because I think it is a waste of money.Some of those bottled waters add salt and even sugar to them.Vitamin water has about the same amount of sugar as a Mountain dew or a Coke.

I also don't agree with water filters.They say filters are just a massive breeding ground for bacteria since all you are doing is trapping them in one place where they just keep adding up in numbers until you replace the filter.

I remember when I was touring a old gold mine in South dakota they had a large barrel full of water that came from water dripping from the ceiling.They said they had tested it and it was 99% pure water.I have drinked water from springs and on ships that was boiled from the sea.But drinking pure water that was filtered through the rocks over what many believed was hundreds of years had a very different taste.I didn't care for it much and water does have taste with all the minerals that are in it that you have been grown to tasting over the years.

s1owhand's photo
Sat 12/04/10 05:18 AM
No No No! Filtering is extremely good. It is the same basic
filtering process which is used everywhere to safeguard the
public water supply! Even better if you filter at home.

Bottled water is just a rip off.

from:

http://www.bottledwaterblues.com/bottled_water_facts.php

The fact is that people pay from $1 to $4 a gallon for the perception of higher quality, when in fact the quality of bottled water is at best unknown! Over 90% of the cost of bottled water is in the bottle, lid and label.

The bottled water industry is full of deception and questionable ethics. Industry lobbyists successfully fight every year to keep bottled water companies from having to abide by even the minimal health standards set by the EPA for tap water. The FDA, which regulates bottled water, states that "Companies that market bottled water as being safer than tap water are defrauding the American public."

"Of particular note, FDA does not have the specific statutory authority to require bottlers to use certified laboratories for water quality tests or to report test results, even if violations of the standards are found." -- General Accountability Office report

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Sat 12/04/10 06:31 AM



i am in Canada and Drink mostly tap water as i heard on the news are tap water was more clean then some types of bottled water but i do drink bottled water sometimes if i go out places i would buy it what do you like and why?:banana: waving :thumbsup:


Here in San Diego the water is very hard and tastes terrible. It clog s up the irons if you use it. I use distilled water to iron. So, I guess the answer is bottled water.


Do you prefer a certain brand or type of bottled water? I usually get Niagara, but also like Nestle & Ozarka


Not really. As long as it tastes good I am okay. They have lot of" high end" types here. I usally just go to a market of something and get their store brand.