Topic: Senate bill S510
msharmony's photo
Sun 11/28/10 04:31 PM




I wouldnt worry too much,, as the President says

'the way rumors can take up a life of their own ends up being very powerful.”



dig deeper, read for yourself, draw your own conclusions,,,for every fact you read on the internet there are probably one hundred OPINIONS posing as educated information


Fact: if S510 is allowed to pass, it would give Monsanto Coporation control over ALL U.S. seed, food supplements, food, and farming. (my conclusion)mad


is it a conclusion, or a fact?


draw your own conclusions...I have govtrack.us



looking at your source, it reads to me like protections for consumers against health risks,,,,not something I can get too upset about

but thats just me

burgundybry's photo
Sun 11/28/10 04:36 PM





I wouldnt worry too much,, as the President says

'the way rumors can take up a life of their own ends up being very powerful.”



dig deeper, read for yourself, draw your own conclusions,,,for every fact you read on the internet there are probably one hundred OPINIONS posing as educated information


Fact: if S510 is allowed to pass, it would give Monsanto Coporation control over ALL U.S. seed, food supplements, food, and farming. (my conclusion)mad


is it a conclusion, or a fact?


draw your own conclusions...I have govtrack.us



looking at your source, it reads to me like protections for consumers against health risks,,,,not something I can get too upset about

but thats just me



fine..not here to debate it with you..but as you said, dig deeper:smile:

no photo
Sun 11/28/10 04:39 PM
have you been in thesis report before? its have parts first you have to go your topic which is your fact...that includes your gathering of data, ways on how u gather your data, methodlogy and conclusion and evaluation and if needed for re assessment is re evaluation. thats i think how it works. gudluck. have more topic. :wink:

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Sun 11/28/10 05:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOups0dfdwM

Not much for Politics forum..however, someone please tell me this is not happening. This cannot be allowed to occur! Let your senators know we won't stand for this!! Can't own a garden? Can't own seed? Can buy, sell, or trade your own produce, nor be in possession of same?mad mad




I did a topic on this same discussion about a year ago when I explained Obama would ban fishing,selling produce on the side of the roads,raising your own vegetable garden and many more.Most of this was due to that E-coli lettuce outbreak last year and the Government asking people who sell their won fruits and vegetables how to they know it can be safe?


Rest assured our Government will get their way and they will ban any fruits or vegetables that do not go through some process where they are inspected,tested,labeled,and of course charging the seller huge fees for these stupid laws.Apple and orange stands on the side of the roads will be a thing of the past.Having a garden in your own back yard will require permits,inspections,testing,and other BS making your life as complicated as possible.

I expect fishing to go the same route with any fish you caught going to some permanent or temporary location to be tested,inspected,and of course huge fees for paying some lazy Government worker to inspect your fish.


Two years before Obama was in office there was people like myself and others telling people what would happen if he was President.Unfortunately people thought skin color was more important than policy and this is what you get.Don't believe a thing Obama tells you.He is a compulsive liar and that is putting it mildly.



willing2's photo
Sun 11/28/10 06:48 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOups0dfdwM

Not much for Politics forum..however, someone please tell me this is not happening. This cannot be allowed to occur! Let your senators know we won't stand for this!! Can't own a garden? Can't own seed? Can buy, sell, or trade your own produce, nor be in possession of same?mad mad




I did a topic on this same discussion about a year ago when I explained Obama would ban fishing,selling produce on the side of the roads,raising your own vegetable garden and many more.Most of this was due to that E-coli lettuce outbreak last year and the Government asking people who sell their won fruits and vegetables how to they know it can be safe?


Rest assured our Government will get their way and they will ban any fruits or vegetables that do not go through some process where they are inspected,tested,labeled,and of course charging the seller huge fees for these stupid laws.Apple and orange stands on the side of the roads will be a thing of the past.Having a garden in your own back yard will require permits,inspections,testing,and other BS making your life as complicated as possible.

I expect fishing to go the same route with any fish you caught going to some permanent or temporary location to be tested,inspected,and of course huge fees for paying some lazy Government worker to inspect your fish.


Two years before Obama was in office there was people like myself and others telling people what would happen if he was President.Unfortunately people thought skin color was more important than policy and this is what you get.Don't believe a thing Obama tells you.He is a compulsive liar and that is putting it mildly.




They won't process the E-Coli to see if it was the result of Illegal Alien deification.

Winx's photo
Sun 11/28/10 07:09 PM
Food Safety Modernization Act

Claim: The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 would eliminate home gardens and put organic farmers out of business.

MOSTLY FALSE

Origins: In response to a number of serious food contamination incidents (such as the salmonella outbreak linked to peanuts) that raised concerns about the safety of the U.S. food supply, in February 2009 Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro of Connecticut introduced to Congress HR 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009. (The Senate version of the same bill, S510, was introduced to that body by Sen. Richard Durbin.) The main purpose of the bill is to establish a Food Safety Administration (FSA) within the Department of Health and Human Services "to protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional contamination."

"This salmonella outbreak represents the full-scale breakdown of a patchwork food safety system. And it should act as the final wake up call," said DeLauro. "That is why, today, I am introducing the Food Safety Modernization Act to separate food safety regulation from drug and device approvals and to restore the balance that has long been missing at Health and Human Service.

Under the proposal, FDA would be split into an agency responsible for food safety (the Food Safety Administration) and another responsible for regulation of drugs and devices. This move creates an agency solely focused on protecting the public through better regulation of the food supply. The Food Safety Modernization Act would establish a farm-to-fork system for protecting foods that are currently regulated by FDA, which has jurisdiction over 80 percent of the food supply.

The announcement of HR 875 spawned a number of Internet-circulated pieces warning about the dire results citizens would face should be the bill pass, most of them repeating exaggerated claims unwarranted by anything stated within the text of the bill itself.

One oft-repeated claim is that Rep. DeLauro's husband, Stanley Greenberg, works for the agricultural giant Monsanto corporation, and therefore Rep. DeLauro has a substantial financial interest in the passage of HR 875, a substantial conflict of interest. This information is FALSE. Stanley Greenberg is not a Monsanto employee; he's the chairman and CEO of Greenberg-Quinlan Research Inc., a public issues research and polling firm which, as the Las Vegas Review-Journal noted in a clarification, hasn't had any business dealings with Monsanto for over a decade:

An editorial in the Las Vegas Review-Journal stated Stanley Greenberg, husband of Connecticut Democratic Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro, who has proposed legislation imposing new mandates on food producers, "is a leading Democratic political strategist and consultant with clients including pesticide and fertilizer giant Monsanto." Both DeLauro's office and a spokesman for Greenberg's firm said that Monsanto has not been a client of Greenberg's for more than 10 years.

As for some of the other claims about HR 875 stated in the pieces quoted above:

# Effects anyone growing food even if they are not selling it but consuming it.

The bill defines the term "food production facility" to be "any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation." It's something of a stretch to interpret that definition as applying to persons who maintain home-based vegetable gardens or otherwise grow small amounts of food for personal consumption.

# Requires organic farms to use specific fertilizers and poisonous insect sprays dictated by the newly formed agency to 'make sure there is no danger to the public food supply.'

No language in HR 875 mandates that farms (organic or otherwise) use of any particular fertilizer or pesticide, or requires the use of either of those products in general. The bill merely calls upon the FSA to establish regulations regarding "minimum standards related to fertilizer use."

# The power it would give to Monsanto, the criminalization of seed banking, the 24 hours GPS tracking of their animals

No language in HR 875 addresses seed banking or requires GPS tracking of animals.

Many of these same points are addressed in Rep. DeLauro's Myths and Facts sheet for HR 875:

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the"criminalization of the backyard gardener."

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. The focus of the bill is to ensure the safety of food in interstate commerce.

MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because it would regulate and penalize "each farmer who wishes to sell locally."

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets beingregulated, penalized by any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.

MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming" or "mandate the use ofchemicals or certain types of seeds on organic farms."

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop or interfere with organic farming.The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United StatesDepartment of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

MYTH: H.R. 875 would implement a national animal ID system (NAIS).

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement NAIS, which is under the jurisdiction of the USDA. H.R. 875 addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

Certainly the provisions of HR 875 are subject to legitimate debate over how effective the bill would be at improving and ensuring the safety of America's food supply and whether they would place undue financial and regulatory burdens on smaller farms and businesses that primarily engage in the local production and sale of food items, but those concerns aren't being effectively addressed through the circulation of unwarranted claims similar to those cited above. Sources such as the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund are better starting points for grasping some of the issues regarding how HR 875 might affect small farmers.

Last updated: 1 April 2009

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/organic.asp





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Sun 11/28/10 07:36 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sun 11/28/10 07:48 PM
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Amendments

The following are amendments proposed for this legislation. Click an amendment's name to read the text of the amendment, where available.
(1) S.Amdt. 4691 by Sen. Leahy [D-VT]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(2) S.Amdt. 4692 by Sen. Specter [D-PA]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(3) S.Amdt. 4693 by Sen. Specter [D-PA]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(4) S.Amdt. 4694 by Sen. Inouye [D-HI]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(5) S.Amdt. 4696 by Sen. Coburn [R-OK]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(6) S.Amdt. 4697 by Sen. Coburn [R-OK]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(7) S.Amdt. 4698 by Sen. Pryor [D-AR]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(8) S.Amdt. 4699 by Sen. Pryor [D-AR]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(9) S.Amdt. 4700 by Sen. Pryor [D-AR]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(10) S.Amdt. 4701 by Sen. Pryor [D-AR]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(11) S.Amdt. 4702 by Sen. Johanns [R-NE]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 17, 2010.
(12) S.Amdt. 4708 by Sen. Pryor [D-AR]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 18, 2010.
(13) S.Amdt. 4709 by Sen. Landrieu [D-LA]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 18, 2010.
(14) S.Amdt. 4710 by Sen. Corker [R-TN]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 18, 2010.
(15) S.Amdt. 4713 by Sen. Baucus [D-MT]
To repeal the expansion of information reporting requirements for payments of $600 or more to corporations, and for other purposes.
Proposed: Nov 18, 2010.
(16) S.Amdt. 4714 by Sen. Reid [D-NV]
Amendment information not available.
Proposed: Nov 18, 2010.
(17) S.Amdt. 4715 by Sen. Harkin [D-IA]
In the nature of a substitute.
Proposed: Nov 18, 2010.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/28/10 09:31 PM
I suspect this will go by the way of 'death panels',,,,

but time will tell,,,

Winx's photo
Sun 11/28/10 09:42 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 11/28/10 09:46 PM
Dang it. The url is not co-operating with me.


It's not about our gardens. It's about food safety.


willing2's photo
Mon 11/29/10 07:44 AM
Sure, it's only about food safety.laugh laugh laugh laugh

This is from a tree-hugger site.

(NaturalNews) Rawsome Foods, part of The Right to Choose Healthy Foods buyers` club association in Venice, California, was raided by several agencies. Federal officers, representatives of the State of California, Los Angeles County Health officials and Los Angeles police officers arrived with guns drawn.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029547_raw_food_buyers_club.html

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Mon 11/29/10 09:32 AM



two of the best ways to achieve a one world government is to control food and gun ownership.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/29/10 01:26 PM

Fact remains you're always going to have some stupid bill that is trying to get passed to let the liberal politicians have control of everything, including Joe Taxpayer's money. Senate can go ahead and pass it, but the House has to as well, and with a Red house, the bill will stop there. Thank God the Conservatives took back some of the control.


:thumbsup:

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/29/10 01:28 PM

I wouldnt worry too much,, as the President says

'the way rumors can take up a life of their own ends up being very powerful.”



dig deeper, read for yourself, draw your own conclusions,,,for every fact you read on the internet there are probably one hundred OPINIONS posing as educated information


I don't think Obama's saying much with a bunch of stitches in his mouth. laugh

willing2's photo
Mon 11/29/10 04:23 PM
The one company that stands to gain and backs this bill is the Monsanto company which H's fda deputy commissioner used to work, and you guessed it George Soros is the second highest shareholder.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/29/10 10:58 PM

The one company that stands to gain and backs this bill is the Monsanto company which H's fda deputy commissioner used to work, and you guessed it George Soros is the second highest shareholder.


I wish that war criminal would just go away.

no photo
Tue 11/30/10 07:47 AM
another example of imperialist corporate fascism out to exterminate consumer choice and small business....

Capital YES... Capitalism NO!!! You can break monopolies with the choices you make every time you shop...

no photo
Tue 11/30/10 07:53 AM
side bar note....addressed to willing2: why do you have a picture of a pedophillic serial killer as your avatar??.. is this guy a "hero" of yours??? noway

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/30/10 09:30 AM


I wouldnt worry too much,, as the President says

'the way rumors can take up a life of their own ends up being very powerful.”



dig deeper, read for yourself, draw your own conclusions,,,for every fact you read on the internet there are probably one hundred OPINIONS posing as educated information


I don't think Obama's saying much with a bunch of stitches in his mouth. laugh


he said it on thanksgiving

willing2's photo
Tue 11/30/10 11:30 AM

side bar note....addressed to willing2: why do you have a picture of a pedophillic serial killer as your avatar??.. is this guy a "hero" of yours??? noway

Side bar response.laugh
No he isn't.
He does have an interesting profile.
As do many serial killers. Dahmer-Cannibal.
Manson-Mind Controller, etc.

burgundybry's photo
Tue 11/30/10 12:39 PM

another example of imperialist corporate fascism out to exterminate consumer choice and small business....

Capital YES... Capitalism NO!!! You can break monopolies with the choices you make every time you shop...


Bravo!flowers