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Cowboy wrote:
No, YOU may never have turned away from God. But WE as the human race turned away from God. Must we forget there was generations of people that were before you which have made it the way it is today through their actions? Well, again, I don't believe that baloney. First off, we have no reason to believe that mankind is responsible for the things we judge to be "evil" in the world. Those things clearly existed long before mankind even evolved from our primate ancestors. Secondly, it absurd to me that some God would judge us based on the actions of others. I have never turned away from God, and therefore it would be unrighteous for God to judge me as having turned away when in fact I have never personally done so. This is the problem with the hateful biblical fables. Those authors had no choice but to demand that everyone is a guilty sinner before they could start laying guilt complexes on people. I'm sorry to hear that their tactics worked on you. I prefer not to have anything to do with a religion that is obsessed with sin, judging others, and feeling unworthy themselves with respect to their creator. That's just truly sad. I see no reason to believe in a hateful God who is chomping at the bit to judge people as being sinners for every stupid little thing. I just do nothing positive, healthy, or divine in that. So you're wasting your time trying to sell it to me. 
I'm convinced that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva, and the authors of the New Testament were some really sick puppies. They were probably the very scribes and Pharisees who had Jesus crucified. Then they tried to use him as a dead marionette doll to prop up the very religion that Jesus himself renounced. It works for me. It preserves Jesus as a highly intelligent and respectable person, and exposes those nasty scribes and Pharisees who tried to maintain their hateful religion in the name of Jesus with their New Testament lies. |
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CowboyGH
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Sun 11/28/10 11:19 AM
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Cowboy wrote:
No, YOU may never have turned away from God. But WE as the human race turned away from God. Must we forget there was generations of people that were before you which have made it the way it is today through their actions? Well, again, I don't believe that baloney. First off, we have no reason to believe that mankind is responsible for the things we judge to be "evil" in the world. Those things clearly existed long before mankind even evolved from our primate ancestors. Secondly, it absurd to me that some God would judge us based on the actions of others. I have never turned away from God, and therefore it would be unrighteous for God to judge me as having turned away when in fact I have never personally done so. This is the problem with the hateful biblical fables. Those authors had no choice but to demand that everyone is a guilty sinner before they could start laying guilt complexes on people. I'm sorry to hear that their tactics worked on you. I prefer not to have anything to do with a religion that is obsessed with sin, judging others, and feeling unworthy themselves with respect to their creator. That's just truly sad. I see no reason to believe in a hateful God who is chomping at the bit to judge people as being sinners for every stupid little thing. I just do nothing positive, healthy, or divine in that. So you're wasting your time trying to sell it to me.
I'm convinced that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva, and the authors of the New Testament were some really sick puppies. They were probably the very scribes and Pharisees who had Jesus crucified. Then they tried to use him as a dead marionette doll to prop up the very religion that Jesus himself renounced. It works for me. It preserves Jesus as a highly intelligent and respectable person, and exposes those nasty scribes and Pharisees who tried to maintain their hateful religion in the name of Jesus with their New Testament lies. Secondly, it absurd to me that some God would judge us based on the actions of others. I have never turned away from God, and therefore it would be unrighteous for God to judge me as having turned away when in fact I have never personally done so. This is the problem with the hateful biblical fables. Those authors had no choice but to demand that everyone is a guilty sinner before they could start laying guilt complexes on people. I'm sorry to hear that their tactics worked on you. I prefer not to have anything to do with a religion that is obsessed with sin, judging others, and feeling unworthy themselves with respect to their creator. That's just truly sad. First of all, we are not judged on actions of others. No one else but you effects your salvation. And Christianity isn't obsessed with sin, judging others, and feeling unworthy of themselves with respect to our creator. I judge no one else, nor does other Christians. Judging someone would insist on a punishment of some sort, weather it's just not associating with them, treating them differently then others, or anything else along those lines. Christians love EVERYONE and treat everyone with the same level of respect of love regardless of what they believe, their race, their age, their height, their weight, or any other variant. I have never turned away from God, and therefore it would be unrighteous for God to judge me as having turned away when in fact I have never personally done so. So you worship our father? Man if I would have known that we would not have had all these long conversations. I was under the impression you didn't believe in our father, man how stupid do I feel now. Glad to know that you worship our father :D, may Jesus bless your path through life and bless you abundantly. |
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Cowboy wrote:
So you worship our father? Man if I would have known that we would not have had all these long conversations. I was under the impression you didn't believe in our father, man how stupid do I feel now. Glad to know that you worship our father :D, may Jesus bless your path through life and bless you abundantly. Well, I told you that ages ago. I worship God through both Motherly and Fatherly archetypes. In fact, I worship the Motherly aspect of God through various Motherly archetypes. Gaia, Cerridwen, Hecate, Artemis and quite a few others as well. On the Fatherly side I worship God through Cernunnos, the Horned God, the Sun God and various other psychic archetypes. I see Jesus as being a brother. After all, he is the son of God just as I am the son of God. We are all children of God. I see Jesus and Buddha as brothers. You might find it interesting that in my labyrinth garden path I use Jesus as Capricorn. He fills that role perfectly. Tradition has him being born at yule as the 'child god'. And that makes him a Capricorn. But the lesson of Capricorn is to teach us that our goal in life should be to create heaven on earth. Where the term "heaven" simply means "nice". (i.e. heavenly). And this of course fits in with the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus, which are actually just the 12 Laws of Karma of course. But still, it fits. I also use Jesus along with Buddha as one of my Hierophant archetypes. So Jesus holds two places in my labyrinth garden path. So yes, I've been worshiping God all along in all of God's many facets. I simply reject Hebrew mythology as being the "Word of God" is all. I thought you understood all of that.
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Cowboy wrote:
So you worship our father? Man if I would have known that we would not have had all these long conversations. I was under the impression you didn't believe in our father, man how stupid do I feel now. Glad to know that you worship our father :D, may Jesus bless your path through life and bless you abundantly. Well, I told you that ages ago. I worship God through both Motherly and Fatherly archetypes. In fact, I worship the Motherly aspect of God through various Motherly archetypes. Gaia, Cerridwen, Hecate, Artemis and quite a few others as well. On the Fatherly side I worship God through Cernunnos, the Horned God, the Sun God and various other psychic archetypes. I see Jesus as being a brother. After all, he is the son of God just as I am the son of God. We are all children of God. I see Jesus and Buddha as brothers. You might find it interesting that in my labyrinth garden path I use Jesus as Capricorn. He fills that role perfectly. Tradition has him being born at yule as the 'child god'. And that makes him a Capricorn. But the lesson of Capricorn is to teach us that our goal in life should be to create heaven on earth. Where the term "heaven" simply means "nice". (i.e. heavenly). And this of course fits in with the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus, which are actually just the 12 Laws of Karma of course. But still, it fits. I also use Jesus along with Buddha as one of my Hierophant archetypes. So Jesus holds two places in my labyrinth garden path. So yes, I've been worshiping God all along in all of God's many facets. I simply reject Hebrew mythology as being the "Word of God" is all. I thought you understood all of that.
I just didn't think you worshipped our father for you continuously reject the bible. The bible is the laws handed down by our father. And if you worship our father then how can it be that you do it through Horned God, the sun God, ect? Jesus is the only way to our father. He is the light. He is the judge. |
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Ruth wrote:
The statement was "there are many who claim Jesus". We are wondering who "the many" are. The question I would ask, is why do the people who claim Jesus as the Christ, lord, and savior, use him as an excuse to judge others? Jesus himself said that he would not judge those who do not believe him. John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So if Jesus himself will not judge others for not believing his words then why should any mortal human be so arrogant as to do this? Such people are certainly on their own when they do this and clearly have no support from Jesus according to the gospel of John. Christians are often the worst offenders of the teachings of Jesus. Even if they go by the gospels verbatim they are being hypocritical when they claim him as their lord and savior since they clearly are not following his lead when they judge against those who do not believe as they do. Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?" Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them? Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others. In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6). © Copyright 2002-2010 Got Questions Ministries. I guess you are correct, that would be the "Christian" point of view, because they view God to be a judgmental God. Especially within the context of a supposed "New Covenant" where it used to be that men judged each other and now that has changed. I can't help but view Jesus as a Buddhist now. And so when he speaks of not judging others I take that to mean in the same way as laid out in the 12 laws of Karma. Christianity is fundamentally a judgmental religion. Let's face, it. The whole thing is based on a judgment that all men are sinners and in dire need of repentance. That's it's foundational principle right from the "Fall from Grace" of Adam and Eve. It's a religion that has already judge all men to be guilty of sin. That's a shame that it based on such negativity. That's all I can say. It is obvious that the subject of judgmentalism has been used here as a smoke screen... While the accused examines himself. The accuser utilizes his own tactics of judgmentalism for his own gain on the one he has accused. --Dictionary-- judg·men·tal judg·men·tal [juj mént'l] adj tending to criticize: tending to judge or criticize the conduct of other people -judg·men·tal·ly, , adv --Thesaurus-- judgmental (adj) critical, hypercritical, condemnatory, negative, disapproving, disparaging, pejorative (formal) antonym: complimentary |
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Cowboy wrote:
I just didn't think you worshipped our father for you continuously reject the bible. The bible is the laws handed down by our father. And if you worship our father then how can it be that you do it through Horned God, the sun God, ect? Jesus is the only way to our father. He is the light. He is the judge. That comes from the religion you chose to worship. I don't worship religion. I also don't "worship" God as a "judge". For me, God is a friend, not a foe. Perhaps it would be better to just say that I commune with God in the only way that makes sense to me. If you wish to believe in the Christian picture of Jesus as "The Judge" by all means please do so. But just because you view God as a judge is no reason to judge my relationship with God. Let God judge my relationship with Her Herself. Who are you to judge people? If you belief that Jesus is "The Judge" then let me worry about how Jesus might judge me. Jesus and I get along just fine, thank you. I'm sure he holds no judgments against me, so why do YOU? |
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Cowboy wrote:
I just didn't think you worshipped our father for you continuously reject the bible. The bible is the laws handed down by our father. And if you worship our father then how can it be that you do it through Horned God, the sun God, ect? Jesus is the only way to our father. He is the light. He is the judge. That comes from the religion you chose to worship. I don't worship religion. I also don't "worship" God as a "judge". For me, God is a friend, not a foe. Perhaps it would be better to just say that I commune with God in the only way that makes sense to me. If you wish to believe in the Christian picture of Jesus as "The Judge" by all means please do so. But just because you view God as a judge is no reason to judge my relationship with God. Let God judge my relationship with Her Herself. Who are you to judge people? If you belief that Jesus is "The Judge" then let me worry about how Jesus might judge me. Jesus and I get along just fine, thank you. I'm sure he holds no judgments against me, so why do YOU? I hold no judgement towards you. |
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Cowboy wrote:
I just didn't think you worshipped our father for you continuously reject the bible. The bible is the laws handed down by our father. And if you worship our father then how can it be that you do it through Horned God, the sun God, ect? Jesus is the only way to our father. He is the light. He is the judge. That comes from the religion you chose to worship. I don't worship religion. I also don't "worship" God as a "judge". For me, God is a friend, not a foe. Perhaps it would be better to just say that I commune with God in the only way that makes sense to me. If you wish to believe in the Christian picture of Jesus as "The Judge" by all means please do so. But just because you view God as a judge is no reason to judge my relationship with God. Let God judge my relationship with Her Herself. Who are you to judge people? If you belief that Jesus is "The Judge" then let me worry about how Jesus might judge me. Jesus and I get along just fine, thank you. I'm sure he holds no judgments against me, so why do YOU? I hold no judgement towards you. And no I don't worship a religion. I worship our father. |
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