Topic: Parallel worlds may be found soon at CERN
metalwing's photo
Wed 11/17/10 12:12 PM



i read something also where space was mostly antimatter and an electrical charge occured producing enough energy to create matter which in turn mixed with the antimatter and BOOM it started a chain of energy which kept creating matter then finally matter over took antimatter


i always read matter cannot be created or destroyed, just rearranged...
actually there are some disputes about the E=mc2 formula,basically energy creates matter


If you split two uranium atoms (as in a fusion atomic bomb) and weigh the left over parts, the missing mass is equal to the energy the bomb put out according to E=MC**2. We learned that during WWII. We now use the same formula to create mass for the little explosions at CERN. The formula works very well. They constantly exchange mass for energy and energy for mass.

The basic way the LHC works is to take a proton, pump it full of mass, annihilate it head-on into another proton or positron then see what kind of new matter was created by all that mass that was pumped into the proton. E/C**2 means "more energy = more mass.

metalwing's photo
Wed 11/17/10 12:22 PM

but if you do really think about it,where does the matter thats created in those test go,it does disappear which is kind of interesting


The lab's job is to account for where it goes. They do this with extreme accuracy. Some of it is just heat and light causes by photons bashing their way out. There are detectors that track subatomic particles and give their "spin", momemtum, velocity, mass, etc.

The Nobel Prize was given for this.

"With his invention, the multiwire proportional tracking chamber, Mr. Charpak vastly improved the ability of physicists to measure and record what goes on inside particle accelerators. Earlier detectors, like the cloud chamber and bubble chamber (which, too, garnered Nobels for their inventors) depended on taking photographs of the tracks left by particles as they emerged from collisions.

Mr. Charpak’s chamber, by contrast, used many minuscule wires to capture electric pulses, thus generating vastly more information. The data were instantaneously fed into a computer for interpretation. No longer did scientists have to scan thousands of photographs.

The invention meant that hundreds of millions of particles a second could be sensed, evaluated, and recorded. It allowed scientists testing theories to search out the one particle in a billion for which they were hunting.

Two Nobel Prizes were awarded for identifying subatomic phenomena using Mr. Charpak’s device before he received his."

RKISIT's photo
Wed 11/17/10 12:32 PM


but if you do really think about it,where does the matter thats created in those test go,it does disappear which is kind of interesting


The lab's job is to account for where it goes. They do this with extreme accuracy. Some of it is just heat and light causes by photons bashing their way out. There are detectors that track subatomic particles and give their "spin", momemtum, velocity, mass, etc.

The Nobel Prize was given for this.

"With his invention, the multiwire proportional tracking chamber, Mr. Charpak vastly improved the ability of physicists to measure and record what goes on inside particle accelerators. Earlier detectors, like the cloud chamber and bubble chamber (which, too, garnered Nobels for their inventors) depended on taking photographs of the tracks left by particles as they emerged from collisions.

Mr. Charpak’s chamber, by contrast, used many minuscule wires to capture electric pulses, thus generating vastly more information. The data were instantaneously fed into a computer for interpretation. No longer did scientists have to scan thousands of photographs.

The invention meant that hundreds of millions of particles a second could be sensed, evaluated, and recorded. It allowed scientists testing theories to search out the one particle in a billion for which they were hunting.

Two Nobel Prizes were awarded for identifying subatomic phenomena using Mr. Charpak’s device before he received his."
so then it breaks them all the way down to where particles end up in the particle zoo,meaning subatomic particles that have no name yet,dam thats badass.

metalwing's photo
Wed 11/17/10 12:40 PM



but if you do really think about it,where does the matter thats created in those test go,it does disappear which is kind of interesting


The lab's job is to account for where it goes. They do this with extreme accuracy. Some of it is just heat and light causes by photons bashing their way out. There are detectors that track subatomic particles and give their "spin", momemtum, velocity, mass, etc.

The Nobel Prize was given for this.

"With his invention, the multiwire proportional tracking chamber, Mr. Charpak vastly improved the ability of physicists to measure and record what goes on inside particle accelerators. Earlier detectors, like the cloud chamber and bubble chamber (which, too, garnered Nobels for their inventors) depended on taking photographs of the tracks left by particles as they emerged from collisions.

Mr. Charpak’s chamber, by contrast, used many minuscule wires to capture electric pulses, thus generating vastly more information. The data were instantaneously fed into a computer for interpretation. No longer did scientists have to scan thousands of photographs.

The invention meant that hundreds of millions of particles a second could be sensed, evaluated, and recorded. It allowed scientists testing theories to search out the one particle in a billion for which they were hunting.

Two Nobel Prizes were awarded for identifying subatomic phenomena using Mr. Charpak’s device before he received his."
so then it breaks them all the way down to where particles end up in the particle zoo,meaning subatomic particles that have no name yet,dam thats badass.


You bet! And what is about to happen is that CERN is going to crank up and, hopefully, produce a bunch of particles that we don't normally see and don't feel the need to hang around in this universe.

AndyBgood's photo
Wed 11/17/10 02:12 PM
All I can say is that I got my ceremonial robes on, do you? Cuthulu will kick everyone's azz!

RKISIT's photo
Wed 11/17/10 02:33 PM
Hastur the unspeakable,well technically i didn't speak his named i typed it

AndyBgood's photo
Wed 11/17/10 06:57 PM
Oh Yogsothhoth, gateway to the other world! Will you do without a Virgin this year? We are having a hell of a time finding one!

s1owhand's photo
Wed 11/17/10 07:54 PM
I'll have to go back and consult Dirac's paper from 1933.

metalwing's photo
Wed 11/17/10 07:55 PM




i read something also where space was mostly antimatter and an electrical charge occured producing enough energy to create matter which in turn mixed with the antimatter and BOOM it started a chain of energy which kept creating matter then finally matter over took antimatter


i always read matter cannot be created or destroyed, just rearranged...
actually there are some disputes about the E=mc2 formula,basically energy creates matter


If you split two uranium atoms (as in a fission atomic bomb) and weigh the left over parts, the missing mass is equal to the energy the bomb put out according to E=MC**2. We learned that during WWII. We now use the same formula to create mass for the little explosions at CERN. The formula works very well. They constantly exchange mass for energy and energy for mass.

The basic way the LHC works is to take a proton, pump it full of mass, annihilate it head-on into another proton or positron then see what kind of new matter was created by all that mass that was pumped into the proton. E/C**2 means "more energy = more mass.


Just correcting the fission/fusion typo before someone bitc**.

AndyBgood's photo
Wed 11/17/10 08:08 PM
doesn't this research also boarder on Worm Hole theory too? If they open a breach between universes things could go very wrong.

Supposedly the creation of a hypothetical heissman/bose particle was supposed to equal doomsday too!

metalwing's photo
Wed 11/17/10 08:18 PM

doesn't this research also boarder on Worm Hole theory too? If they open a breach between universes things could go very wrong.

Supposedly the creation of a hypothetical heissman/bose particle was supposed to equal doomsday too!


According to the math which is thought to apply, wormholes won't stay open long enough to endanger anyone. The same logic applies to the possible black holes which are thought to be more dangerous since if the black hole did not evaporate, it could eat the Earth in ten years or so. I don't think anyone is looking for worm holes specifically but I don't know everything. Maybe they are. I know some are just excited to see WTF comes flying out of the explosion.

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 11/18/10 04:55 PM
I don't mean to start any controversy here, but how can so many atheists point to science as 'support' for the idea that a spiritual world is nonsense, when serious scientists are talking about hidden dimensions and parallel universes?

I mean one of the greatest arguments that secular-minded scientists point to in their renunciation of a "spiritual world" is the question of "Where would it be?" As physical scientists, as far as we know, this physical world that we reside in is all that exists.

Well duh?

It sure appears that many serious scientists are sincerely expecting that to change! They are expecting that the physical world we reside in may not be anywhere near as 'limited' in scope as we had first imagined.

So now the question of "Where would a spiritual world be?" becomes a potentially answerable question in terms of science. It could be right next door in a previously unseen "universe".

Just my thoughts.

damnitscloudy's photo
Thu 11/18/10 05:00 PM
Didn't those scientists play Halflife? The crab heads are coming! I guess I better find a crowbar.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 11/18/10 08:28 PM
All that energy...

Looking for god particles... (Remember the Tower of Babel)
So instead of lifting yourself up to the heavens to look god in the face you think you are hunter enough to shoot tiny bullits at the foundations of gods creation and not disturb something? (one hopes you do not disturb god).

Seriously... If you want to find superheavy elements build space craft and go look where they are...

and stop wasting mankinds resources opon projects that require enough energy as an entire coast line of cities.


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Wed 12/29/10 12:32 PM
String Theory Fails Another Test, the “Supertest”
December 17th, 2010

Wednesday’s CMS result finding no black holes in early LHC data has led to internet headlines such as String Theory Fails First Major Experimental Test (for what this really means, see here). At a talk today at CERN, yet another impressive new CMS result was announced, this one causing even more trouble for string theory (if you believe in purported LHC tests of string theory, that is…).

Back in 1997, Physics Today published an article by Gordon Kane with the title String Theory is Testable, Even Supertestable. It included as Figure 2 a detailed spectrum which was supposed to show the sort of thing that string theory predicts. Tevatron results have already caused trouble for many of these mass predictions. For example, gluinos are supposed to have a mass of 250 GeV, but the PDG lists a lower bound (under various assumptions) of 308 GeV. At CERN today, the CMS talk in the end-of-year LHC jamboree has a slide labeled “First SUSY Result at the LHC!”, showing dramatically larger exclusion ranges for possible squark and gluino masses. Over much of the relevant range, gluino masses are now excluded all the way up to 650 GeV. It looks like string theory has failed the “supertest”.

If you believe that string theory “predicts” low-energy supersymmetry, this is a serious failure. Completely independently of string theory, it’s a discouraging result for low-energy supersymmetry in general. The LHC has just dashed hopes that, at least for strongly-interacting particles, supersymmetry would show up just beyond the energy range accessible at the Tevatron.


http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=3338

paul1217's photo
Sat 02/26/11 01:42 PM

i read something also where space was mostly antimatter and an electrical charge occured producing enough energy to create matter which in turn mixed with the antimatter and BOOM it started a chain of energy which kept creating matter then finally matter over took antimatter


It is all a question of Mind over Matter. If you don't Mind, it don't Matter. happy

paul1217's photo
Sat 02/26/11 01:51 PM
Edited by paul1217 on Sat 02/26/11 01:53 PM
i always read matter cannot be created or destroyed, just rearranged...

actually there are some disputes about the E=mc2 formula,basically energy creates matter


According to Einstein, Energy doesn't "create matter". Energy and Matter are both but different manifestations of the same thing.

"It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing — a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind. Furthermore, the equation E = mc², in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light, showed that very small amounts of mass may be converted into a very large amount of energy and vice versa. The mass and energy were in fact equivalent, according to the formula mentioned before. This was demonstrated by Cockcroft and Walton in 1932, experimentally." Albert Einstein

metalwing's photo
Tue 03/01/11 11:34 AM
Just an update. CERN has decided to keep the power "turned down" this year for fear of another explosion like the one that happened last year. The really big tests that were proposed still won't happen for probably at least two years since they plan to shut the system down in 2013 for maintenance.

paul1217's photo
Tue 03/01/11 03:03 PM
Maybe they'll schedule a big test for December 21, 2012? Even if the test is a complete disaster it could still prove the Mayan's right.laugh laugh

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 03/01/11 07:31 PM

Just an update. CERN has decided to keep the power "turned down" this year for fear of another explosion like the one that happened last year. The really big tests that were proposed still won't happen for probably at least two years since they plan to shut the system down in 2013 for maintenance.

They should have built it in space (yeh I know it would have increased the cost)...

A so called 'superheavy' would be much easer to 'detect' in a micro gravity environment.

Gravity has a tendancy to effect the 'energy fields' one uses within its well...

Why else do you think them darn 'superheavys' don't exist on Earth?