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Topic: The Gift of Heaven ...a gift or a gag
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/30/10 11:24 AM
posted by Cowboy Yes Jesus died on the cross for you. posted by Cowboy: Jesus didn't "die* on the cross. Cowboy .....your posts have more contradictions in them than the bible.....it's almost as if you are three different Cowboys that know not what the other Cowboys say ...you must have "Trinity Syndrome" but anyway just in case this is so let's get it on record .... is it (Cowboy 1) that believes that Jesus didn't die on the cross and (Cowboy 2) that believe that Jesus did die on the cross now I'm speaking to Cowboy 3 ...can you take a stand and place it on record so we no longer have to bring this subject up again and reveal what really happen to Jesus... so Cowboy 3...... did Jesus die on the cross? ...yes or no? When I said Jesus didn't die on the cross originally, it was because i didn't know of a way to explain, the words weren't coming to me. So i used a scapegoat and just said he did not die, for this I apologize. But yes Jesus died the death so you would not have to. praise the lord....oops ...er.. I meant Finally.....now if (Cowboy 1)tries again to deny that Jesus died on the cross and (Cowboy 2) does nothing to correct (Cowboy 1) except to give a contradiction of what (Cowboy 1) posts, now I know that I can inform (Cowboy 3) to tell (Cowboy 1)to stop giving false testimony since (Cowboy 2) and all the other Christians in this forum seems to have a problem with not correcting the false testimony that (Cowboy 1)frequently posts

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/30/10 11:35 AM
When I said Jesus didn't die on the cross originally, it was because i didn't know of a way to explain, the words weren't coming to me. nah (Cowboy 1) that isn't the first time you claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross So i used a scapegoat and just said he did not die, well(Cowboy 1)scapegoatism is called giving false testimony for this I apologize. don't apologize (Cowboy 3)...just teach (Cowboy 1)the Word But yes Jesus died the death so you would not have to. is that you(Cowboy 2)?....but anyway if what you posted was true then there would have been no more deaths after Jesus was crucified ...and we all know that isn't so

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/30/10 11:55 AM
Cowboy 1 posted: Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance. Cowboy 2 posted: How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 10/30/10 01:50 PM
When I said Jesus didn't die on the cross originally, it was because i didn't know of a way to explain, the words weren't coming to me. nah (Cowboy 1) that isn't the first time you claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross So i used a scapegoat and just said he did not die, well(Cowboy 1)scapegoatism is called giving false testimony for this I apologize. don't apologize (Cowboy 3)...just teach (Cowboy 1)the Word But yes Jesus died the death so you would not have to. is that you(Cowboy 2)?....but anyway if what you posted was true then there would have been no more deaths after Jesus was crucified ...and we all know that isn't so ============================================= is that you(Cowboy 2)?....but anyway if what you posted was true then there would have been no more deaths after Jesus was crucified ...and we all know that isn't so ============================================= I've recently said that yes people die on earth just as Jesus did on that cross. Jesus was resurrected from the dead to return to heaven just as the ones on earth will that have gained pleasure in our fathers eyes.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 10/30/10 01:51 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 10/30/10 01:52 PM
Cowboy 1 posted: Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance. Cowboy 2 posted: How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say There is no contradiction. If you put the two together you will gain the message of our bodies which we know of now will die and we will be given a renewed body for heaven. The bodies we have now, the flesh. Is sinful. That is why we will be renewed and cleansed of sin to go to the paradise of heaven.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/30/10 03:30 PM
Cowboy 1 posted: Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance. Cowboy 2 posted: How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say There is no contradiction. If you put the two together you will gain the message of our bodies which we know of now will die and we will be given a renewed body for heaven. The bodies we have now, the flesh. Is sinful. That is why we will be renewed and cleansed of sin to go to the paradise of heaven. (Cowboy 3)...according to "1 Corinthians" 15:44-47 it's not only a contradiction but also considered to be false testimony to claim that a physical body goes to Heaven as indicated in the passage below Corinthians 15:44-47: 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. see (Cowboy 2 and 3)...it is "raised as a spiritual body" which means that there will only be ghosts in Heaven ..this time (Cowboy 1) was right

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 10/30/10 06:56 PM
Cowboy 1 posted: Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance. Cowboy 2 posted: How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say There is no contradiction. If you put the two together you will gain the message of our bodies which we know of now will die and we will be given a renewed body for heaven. The bodies we have now, the flesh. Is sinful. That is why we will be renewed and cleansed of sin to go to the paradise of heaven. (Cowboy 3)...according to "1 Corinthians" 15:44-47 it's not only a contradiction but also considered to be false testimony to claim that a physical body goes to Heaven as indicated in the passage below Corinthians 15:44-47: 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. see (Cowboy 2 and 3)...it is "raised as a spiritual body" which means that there will only be ghosts in Heaven ..this time (Cowboy 1) was right Point being? And no wonder you don't believe in the father, you still believe in ghosts. Tell your buddy Casper I said I want my lunch money back.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sat 10/30/10 08:06 PM
Funches wrote: another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say This is like that old TV show, "What's my Line?" Will the real Cowboy please stand up. Cowboy wrote: And no wonder you don't believe in the father, you still believe in ghosts. Tell your buddy Casper I said I want my lunch money back. But wait a minute? Don't Christians believe in ghosts? I thought they believed in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Not only do they believe in Ghosts but they also believe in winged-angels, and boogieman demons who can possess people's souls. In fact, it's pretty hard to claim to believe in the New Testament account of Jesus without believing in evil spirits (ghosts) who can possess souls. Jesus is said to have cast seven devils out of Mary Magdalene. Well if those demons resided within her soul they must have been ghosts of sorts. You can't very well believe in the Holy Ghost and claim that you don't believe in Ghosts. That makes no sense at all. Christians believe in Ghosts, devils, and angels, and even a resurrected Jesus and other saints. If fact it is there dire hope that upon the death of their physical body they too will become eternal spirit (or Ghost) To believe in Christianity requires a fundamental belief in ghosts.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sat 10/30/10 08:07 PM
Oh, is it my turn? Ok,... Cowboy #1 do you believe in ghosts?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 10/30/10 08:30 PM
Oh, is it my turn? Ok,... Cowboy #1 do you believe in ghosts? No I do not believe in the secular term of ghosts. "Ghosts" as in dead people do not walk this earth. They are resting waiting for judgement. Yes there are spirits out there and devils, but not "ghosts" in the sense of people claiming to have seen the ghost of their lost loved one.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sat 10/30/10 09:28 PM
Ok. Cowboy #2 do you believe in zombies?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 10/30/10 09:43 PM
Ok. Cowboy #2 do you believe in zombies? No lol. Zombies are brain dead monsters out to kill. When we will be resurrected we will be given a new spiritual body. We won't be "zombies".

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 10/31/10 05:34 AM Edited by funches on Sun 10/31/10 05:42 AM
Cowboy 1 posted: Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance. Cowboy 2 posted: How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say There is no contradiction. If you put the two together you will gain the message of our bodies which we know of now will die and we will be given a renewed body for heaven. The bodies we have now, the flesh. Is sinful. That is why we will be renewed and cleansed of sin to go to the paradise of heaven. (Cowboy 3)...according to "1 Corinthians" 15:44-47 it's not only a contradiction but also considered to be false testimony to claim that a physical body goes to Heaven as indicated in the passage below Corinthians 15:44-47: 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. see (Cowboy 2 and 3)...it is "raised as a spiritual body" which means that there will only be ghosts in Heaven ..this time (Cowboy 1) was right Point being? And no wonder you don't believe in the father, you still believe in ghosts. Tell your buddy Casper I said I want my lunch money back. WOW (Cowboy 1).....are you saying that you don't believe in the Holy Ghost? .....do (Cowboy 2 and Cowboy 3) also don't believe in the holy ghost? according to the Christian belief you can't get into Heaven without believing in Ghosts ...especially since Corinthians 15:44-47: explains how believers will be raised from the grave as ghost ...even Jesus was ressurected as a ghost trying to fool the people that he was still a human

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 10/31/10 05:49 AM
Ok. Cowboy #2 do you believe in zombies? No lol. Zombies are brain dead monsters out to kill. When we will be resurrected we will be given a new spiritual body. We won't be "zombies". Zombies are those that have been raised from the grave...so (Cowboy 2)if you believe in "Grave Raising" then you have to believe in Zombies ...also according to the christian belief Jesus and his disciples were the first to practice Zombieism or the eating of the flesh, they were the first practicing Vampires with the practice of drinking of the blood ... maybe Jesus birthday should have been today...HAPPY HALLOWEEN to all those that believe in The Holy Ghost and Demons and Devils and Angels

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 10/31/10 09:03 AM
Cowboy 1 posted: Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance. Cowboy 2 posted: How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits another Contradiction (Cowboy 1) posted that they will have physical bodies in Heaven (Cowboy 2) posted that only the spirit/ghost will be in Heaven so what does (Cowboy 3) have to say There is no contradiction. If you put the two together you will gain the message of our bodies which we know of now will die and we will be given a renewed body for heaven. The bodies we have now, the flesh. Is sinful. That is why we will be renewed and cleansed of sin to go to the paradise of heaven. (Cowboy 3)...according to "1 Corinthians" 15:44-47 it's not only a contradiction but also considered to be false testimony to claim that a physical body goes to Heaven as indicated in the passage below Corinthians 15:44-47: 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. see (Cowboy 2 and 3)...it is "raised as a spiritual body" which means that there will only be ghosts in Heaven ..this time (Cowboy 1) was right Point being? And no wonder you don't believe in the father, you still believe in ghosts. Tell your buddy Casper I said I want my lunch money back. WOW (Cowboy 1).....are you saying that you don't believe in the Holy Ghost? .....do (Cowboy 2 and Cowboy 3) also don't believe in the holy ghost? according to the Christian belief you can't get into Heaven without believing in Ghosts ...especially since Corinthians 15:44-47: explains how believers will be raised from the grave as ghost ...even Jesus was ressurected as a ghost trying to fool the people that he was still a human Holy "ghost" is a secular term. The correct term is holy "spirit".

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 10/31/10 09:07 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 10/31/10 09:07 AM
Ok. Cowboy #2 do you believe in zombies? No lol. Zombies are brain dead monsters out to kill. When we will be resurrected we will be given a new spiritual body. We won't be "zombies". Zombies are those that have been raised from the grave...so (Cowboy 2)if you believe in "Grave Raising" then you have to believe in Zombies ...also according to the christian belief Jesus and his disciples were the first to practice Zombieism or the eating of the flesh, they were the first practicing Vampires with the practice of drinking of the blood ... maybe Jesus birthday should have been today...HAPPY HALLOWEEN to all those that believe in The Holy Ghost and Demons and Devils and Angels I've said it before, but I guess i will say it again since you won't keep all the knowledge together. When are raised, we will be rejuvenated. We will have a new body, a spiritual body. And this is exactly why you don't understand the bible. You don't understand parables. The eating of the flesh and the drinking of the blood you're speaking of is a parable.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 10/31/10 10:26 AM
Holy "ghost" is a secular term. The correct term is holy "spirit". (Cowboy 1) is saying that the term "Holy Ghost" is not mention in the bible as being a correct term? ok now I need to hear from (Cowboy 2 and Cowboy 3) so is (Cowboy 1) right that there is no mention of the term "Holy Ghost" in the bible ....but before either of you Cowboys answer take a look at the passage below ACTS 11-16: Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. (Cowboy 2 and 3) are you two beginning to see that (Cowboy 1) is perhaps ashame of some of the things in the bible and may be ashame of being referred to as being a ghost in Heaven ....because if God don't mind being referred to as a Ghost why should (Cowboy 1)

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 10/31/10 10:40 AM
Ok. Cowboy #2 do you believe in zombies? No lol. Zombies are brain dead monsters out to kill. When we will be resurrected we will be given a new spiritual body. We won't be "zombies". Zombies are those that have been raised from the grave...so (Cowboy 2)if you believe in "Grave Raising" then you have to believe in Zombies ...also according to the christian belief Jesus and his disciples were the first to practice Zombieism or the eating of the flesh, they were the first practicing Vampires with the practice of drinking of the blood ... maybe Jesus birthday should have been today...HAPPY HALLOWEEN to all those that believe in The Holy Ghost and Demons and Devils and Angels I've said it before, but I guess i will say it again since you won't keep all the knowledge together. When are raised, we will be rejuvenated. We will have a new body, a spiritual body. And this is exactly why you don't understand the bible. You don't understand parables. The eating of the flesh and the drinking of the blood you're speaking of is a parable. Holy Sh_t...another contradiction Cowboy 1 posted: As you see our bodies will be made perfect and incorruptible. So therefore we will still have flesh in heaven, just will be perfect rather then the bodies we have now which are able to get sick, feel pain, and much more foul things. Cowboy 2 posted: I've said it before, but I guess i will say it again since you won't keep all the knowledge together. When are raised, we will be rejuvenated. We will have a new body, a spiritual body. ok Cowboy 3 ...which Cowboy is right...will people have physical bodies or spiritual bodies in Heaven? ...but before you answer read the passage below Corinthians 15:44-47: 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. it seems that (Cowboy 1) is once again spreading false testimony....do you agree (Cowboy 3)?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 10/31/10 10:46 AM
And this is exactly why you don't understand the bible. You don't understand parables. The eating of the flesh and the drinking of the blood you're speaking of is a parable. ok...if you want to put it that way then I will rephrase what I said....when Jesus told his disciples that they were eating flesh and drinking blood ...they were the first ones to practice "parable vampireism" and "parable Zombieism"

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Sun 10/31/10 11:05 AM
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