Either way, it seems God, or nature, is responsible for more abortions than humans.

I went with the conservative estimate, but either way, it begs the question: How will all those blastocysts stroll around the streets of gold and how with they interact? And since they are not self-aware, how can they have made choices such as to take Jesus Christ as their Personal Saviour? Since they have yet to develop a brain with which to think?

It's a thorny problem for Chistian dogma, to be sure and as you can see, it pretty much goes ignored everytime it's brought up.


-Kerry O.

No, because there is an age of accountability. Yes that particular term isn't in the bible. But it breifs up alot of the teachings. We are not responsible for our actions till we know right from wrong. And once you pass the age of say 13ish you know right from wrong. Weather you avoid doing wrong is another story, but you still know it's wrong. This age isn't an exact age, for we all develop differently and learn at different paces. And that is why it's called a JUDGEMENT, it's not a SENTENCING. It will be a fair judgement including weather someone had the chance to accept Jesus or not. If they've never heard of Jesus yes they may not have accepted Jesus as lord and saviour but they did not REJECT him. And the lord says "But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 10:33

And more on the age of accountability. We will be judged on our actions. If you did not know of Jesus and or never was given the chance to take an action of belief either way, how could that be held against you? For we will be judged on what we did in life, if you never had the chance to accept or deny the lord then there is no action taken towards it either way therefore no judgement could be made either way cause again there was no action taken.

In other words, it's making it up as you go when presented with an intractable situation not covered by the Bible. Just more evidence it was written by men, because a Divine Being would have known about how its own creations procreate. Whereas the ancient men who penned the Bible didn't know a blastocyst from a gamete.


-Kerry O.

No, if you would have included the rest of my post rather then editing it you would have seen how we were put in the age of accountability. That particular word, that particular term itself is not included in the bible. But the bible teaches as such. Again, if one does not know right from wrong how are they to decide on how to behave? Weather you wish to accept the rules set out before you is another story. But nevertheless if you NEVER heard of Jesus and or the laws there of you could not be held accountable.

Worldly example:
You have a 5 year old child. You never taught them not to steal how could you punish them for stealing a piece of candy? How is that justified? Yes, you could scold them and tell them not to. But then with that they then now know not to eg., they now know right from wrong and can be held accountable for such actions in the future.

immortality is so boring.

die - then i'll consider your teachings.

Having heard the biblical hearsay rumors and dismissing them as being utterly absurd and foolish, would hardly be the same as denying the man they are supposedly about.

If you fall for this kind of rhetoric it's no wonder you're a Christian. You'll believe anything.

In fact, it's precisely these kinds of clearly man-made devious tricks that reveals to me that these writings aren't even close to being divine.

I personally don't believe that any genuinely all-wise God would ever do anything that stupid. Judging people on whether or not they believe some utterly absurd hearsay rumors would not be a fair judgment at all. Where do you get off thinking such a thing?

Just because these morons who wrote the New Testament say so?

Why should you believe those guys? Have you ever actually met them?

You have absolutely no sane reason to believe in these stories. And therefore it would be utterly foolish for a God to condemn you for not believing in them.

Do you believe that our creator is this foolish or what?

These kinds of claims made by these authors are actually a RED FLAG that should tell you instantly that their writings didn't come from any all-wise divine being.

The atheists make more sense than you do, that's for sure!

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Judging people on whether or not they believe some utterly absurd hearsay rumors would not be a fair judgment at all. Where do you get off thinking such a thing?
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Why should you believe those guys? Have you ever actually met them?
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Here's a suggestion for you. Use this exact thinking next time you're in court for breaking some form of law. Tell the judge "how can you judge someone on some absurd hearsay rumors, it's just not fair". For the laws of the land hold just as much credibility as the laws from our lord. You don't personally know the person whom wrote those laws, so why should you follow them or believe they are real?

And that 'age of accountability' goes back to what, in the case of a blastocyst, minus 9 months? You neatly dodged the point- are there proto-human souls in heaven or not? And if so, per Christian dogma that you're expounding upon here, do they get a 'free pass'? And if the DO get a 'free pass', isn't this more a matter of the dogma not wanting to look cruel, so it gets morphed into something prettier? Of making it up to explain what wasn't known at the time the book and religion were written/born?

Sure, you can rifle through Holy Writ and concoct some sort of repsonse, but how do you know it's the correct one since it's not spelled out? And most likely the reason it's not spelled out is because the ancient authors of the book were to unsophisticated to know much about the natural world. Ye olde menstrual huts were another such indicator of this, but what could one expect when the Bible was written almost entirely by men?

-Kerry O.

Which leads me to a point I made a while ago. Think of how many people would get a free ticket to Heaven if every christian everywhere stopped talking about Jesus and God entirely. If christianity was wiped off the face of the Earth, everyone would get in.
It's just too bad all christians aren't honorable enough to take that hit for the rest of humanity's sake.

So, thanks to people like you, I'm destined for Hell. Well hey, that's just dandy.

ummm..thanks...I think...

I see your point. It's invalid, of course, but I see it.

Our laws aren't based on some bronze aged mythos. They aren't designed to aggrandize some jealous godthing.
Your attempt to equate the laws of the land with the laws of your religion is merely proof that you should take a refresher course in civics.

No, you just didn't grasp the meaning of my post. All i was getting at is how you say the laws in the bible and or the bible itself is hearsay. Well so are the laws of our lands today made by the government. For you do not know the people that wrote these laws. You do not know if they are truly the law any ways, you have only been informed they are the laws by some other people. So why should you believe them? Why do you believe someone telling you it's illegal to steal something and not believe someone telling you it's a sin to steal? What's the difference? On both accounts it is just knowledge gained by someone else telling you of such. So why give more credibility to "the laws of the land" in comparison to the laws of our lord?

Because your 'Lord' is an invisible dictator who cannot be reached to respond to a summons in a Court of Law seeking redress for grievances. In short, Christianity is not a representative democracy where the rights of the minorities are protected against the capricious will of the majority, and due process under those laws is right out the window.

The basis of 'the law' is not derived from the 'We the People' but from "You Must Believe As I Dictate in Holy Writ". And the process by which that 'Holy Writ' came about is totally non-transparent and surely NOT democratic. THAT'S what makes it heresay.

First and foremost, Unbelief under any circumstances is not permitted under penalty of Everlasting Death. All the other 'laws' except that one can be broken yet go unpunished if one kisses the local representative's ring and asks for forgiveness. Would you REALLY want have a government that functioned like this?


-Kerry O.

What he said.

What does kissing a ring have ANYTHING to do with anything? Sins are and will only forgiven if forgiveness is searched for. If one doesn't seek forgiveness, how may they receive it? And it has to be true heartedly seeking forgiveness. It can't be in vein, cause then how could it have been truly desired? You can't party like crazy doing all kinds of crap Friday and Saturday, then go to church like a saint sunday and ask our father for forgiveness. Especially with a premeditated mind like that. Because if it was premeditated the asking for as such would not be true, you wouldn't truly care if you were forgiven or not or you would not have done as such in the first place.

First, 'kissing the ring' is a metaphor for seeking that 'forgiveness' from the local Holy Man. You basically go there and confess what a crapweasel you've been and that you're soooo soooo sorry and won't do it again (until next time), and :::poof::: you're clean as the driven snow.

As to the premeditation, Jeffrey Dahmer committed premeditated serial murders, yet he was 'saved' before he himself paid in the same currency in prison.

And NONE of this discussed an iota of the effect of these sins/crimes on the victims. Are they just chattel in the Christian God's forgiveness scheme?

-Kerry O.

I need not to nor do i seek forgiveness from some man. The only one i wish to receive forgiveness from for my transgressions is Jesus Christ. Any other MAN, I could care less if they forgave me or not.