Jesus was a socialist?

If he existed, which is of course debatable, he was the socialist of his time, right?

So he would be crucified again by this right wing crowd that exists today.

Can you imagine his horror at what his followers have become?

Are you implying that his non-followers are better????

What do the non-followers have to do with it?

It's his followers that are committing their actions in his name. The non-followers are at least honest about what, why and how they do their stuff, while, yet again, the followers toss the responsibility off on someone else, namely Jesus.

Really?

A "follower" is NOT going to displease Jesus...
A hypocrite or "non-follower" will.

Is that too complex to understand???

oh...my bad. With a topic named "Jesus", though you were starting a cussing forum.
Nevermind...

Oh absolutely. There can be no question that Jesus taught a socialist philosophy of life.

He most certainly would never support capitalism. That would be ridiculous to even suggest.

And I agree the right wing crowd would indeed crucify Jesus instantly if he existed today. At least in terms of character crucifixion if not the actual physical act.

They even reject men like myself who basically stand up for the same moral values as Jesus.

It's the greatest irony of life that the religion that claims to represent Jesus is actually the institution that condemns everyone and anyone who actually stands for what Jesus actually stood for.

I've always felt far closer to Jesus than any Christian could possibly be. They seem to think that just because I recognize that he was a mortal man there's something horribly wrong with that.

Moreover, they seem to also think that just because they believe that he was the only begotten son of a totally unreasonable male-chauvinist pig that this somehow justifies the bigotry and hatred that they spread in his name.

It's truly the most ironic religion ever devised by mankind. And I make no apologies for sharing this view with the world, because they have never apologized to me for the hypocrisy they perpetuate in the name of this man.

Jesus was a Jew right? and who crucified him?

What is the connection between the topic and this question?

oh never mind ... I forgot the religious people can't see past the edge of their bible...

this follower doesnt see Jesus as right or left,socialist or capitalist, but as a BALANCE(center)


there were times when he GAVE food and there were others where he taught others the value of being productive individuals as well,,,,

lol, some people will use any excuse to avoid discussion. Or is it that you realise how stupid that question was?

discussion? you never answered anything, then saying how dumb it was...
does that sound like much of a discussion to you? it's always the same thing with you bible thumpers, if it doesn't agree with your bible, then it's stupid... just read your bible, and god will make everything alright for you.....

In line with the op

Jesus dealt with hypocrites in his own time, so Im sure there is no more HORROR about hypocrisy now than their was then


followers who are trampling on and misinterpreting(those who do it intentionally) for their own gratification and gain is not something that just started happening in our times,,,

that probably one of the reasons he had a conniption fit in the temple with the money changers

You asked a question and I politely asked "What is the connection between the topic and this question?"


Instead of answering, you imply that I cannot see past the edge of my Bible. Then when I call you out about avoiding my question, you call me a "bible thumper".

So, do you have anything besides ad-hominems? Do you really not know who crucified Jesus? Were you implying that Jesus' followers crucified him? (a stupid assertation by itself)

Really, using ad-hominems just gives you an excuse to dismiss anything or anyone that doesn't agree with your views, not the other way around. It's a tactic a few atheists would use... "Oh he's a just a bible-thumper and therefore not very smart..." Been there, done that, it's boring and shows a lack of intelligence. <<< (there's my ad-hominem in case you can't read between the lines)


Calling me a bible thumper doesn't change the fact that I feel it was a stupid question, it just strengthens my belief that it was. Can you convince me otherwise?

Jesus was a hypocrite in his own time. For the Bible tells us so.

Jesus preached not to judge others, yet he judged the Scribes and Pharisees to be hypocrites, thus acting in a hypocritical manner to his own teachings.

Jesus preached to turn the other cheek, yet he participated in the violent act of overturning the tables of the money changers, thus acting in a hypocritical manner to his own teachings.

I'm not saying this to put the man down, but rather to point out that he was indeed a mere mortal man who had the normal flaws and weaknesses that we all have.

Even he could not practice what he preached.

thats not hypocrisy in my opinion,,we were not to judge the SOULS of others by any standard but Gods which Jesus was intimately knowledgable about

to say that some action or some person is acting in a way that is hypocritical is judging their behavior, not their soul

turning over a table was not in response to tables being turned over, so I dont see it in the same teaching with turning the other cheek when someone slaps you(as opposed to slapping them back)


turn the other cheek doesnt mean we stop being human and feeling angry it just means we do not react in same manner as those who wronged us

But how are souls judged other than by their behavior?

I think the things that Jesus was accusing the Scribes and Pharisees of was indeed intended to pass judgments on their 'souls'.

There was no need for him to sit around and publicly rant about such things in his sermons. He preached that people should not judge others, and yet then sat around doing precisely that in his public sermons. That's in direct conflict with what he's telling other people not to do.

There was also no need for him to resort to the physical violence of overturning money tables in the temple. If he felt that what the money changers were doing was wrong he should have just voiced his views on that. What's up with the physical violence? What's that going to prove? That even Jesus himself can't refrain from physical violence?

Clearly the man lost his temper. He was becoming frustrated about something evidently.

We have a frustrated God?

Yet another human frailty to ad to Einstein's list.

it is the collection of our actions and words which are Gods to judge our soul


no one part of us , no one description(judgment) of our actions or our words can adequately sum up our soul