Topic: "it has served us well…this myth of Christ" Pope LeoX, 1
RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 07:47 PM
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12; Ps 18:11; Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23; Ex 33:11; Gen 3:9,10; Gen 32:30; Is 6:1;
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18; John 5:37; Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17; Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3; Ps 139:7-10; Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5; Gen 18:20,21; Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24; Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3; Deut 8:2; Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27; Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
someone make up their minds pleaselaugh

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 10/11/10 08:27 PM

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12; Ps 18:11; Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23; Ex 33:11; Gen 3:9,10; Gen 32:30; Is 6:1;
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18; John 5:37; Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17; Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3; Ps 139:7-10; Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5; Gen 18:20,21; Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24; Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3; Deut 8:2; Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27; Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
someone make up their minds pleaselaugh


Not going to go through all of them at this moment, i will tomorrow if someone else hasn't show how bogus of a statement this is. I will point out the first one though and let it roll from there.

God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

Gen 1:31 is telling God is happy with his creation of the world and seen that it was good.
---------------------------
Gen 6:5-6 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-----------------------------

You can see here God wasn't dissatisfied with his works in general, was dissatisfied with how the world was behaving. Put into more of a common everyday scenerio, you have a kid and you love that kid dearly. You are very very happy with that child, but then that child does something bad one day, steals some gum, drops a glass, ect you choose. You are satisfied with your child in general and love that child dearly, you're just unsatisfied with the child's actions at that moment.

God is still satisfied with the work he did, just not satisfied with the works his creation is making.

GotKidz's photo
Mon 10/11/10 08:38 PM
i read a bumper sticker the other day...

"God doesn't believe in athiests"

which is fine with me

RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:15 PM


1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12; Ps 18:11; Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23; Ex 33:11; Gen 3:9,10; Gen 32:30; Is 6:1;
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18; John 5:37; Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17; Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3; Ps 139:7-10; Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5; Gen 18:20,21; Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24; Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3; Deut 8:2; Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27; Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
someone make up their minds pleaselaugh


Not going to go through all of them at this moment, i will tomorrow if someone else hasn't show how bogus of a statement this is. I will point out the first one though and let it roll from there.

God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

Gen 1:31 is telling God is happy with his creation of the world and seen that it was good.
---------------------------
Gen 6:5-6 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-----------------------------

You can see here God wasn't dissatisfied with his works in general, was dissatisfied with how the world was behaving. Put into more of a common everyday scenerio, you have a kid and you love that kid dearly. You are very very happy with that child, but then that child does something bad one day, steals some gum, drops a glass, ect you choose. You are satisfied with your child in general and love that child dearly, you're just unsatisfied with the child's actions at that moment.

God is still satisfied with the work he did, just not satisfied with the works his creation is making.
these are just a few of the contradictions ..hell i can go on 2Kings 8:26 vs 2Chron 22:2 or 2Samuel 6:23 vs 2Samuel 21:8,even if these are errors from publications which one do you believe...funny thing there is no actual scriptures in existance either..meaning no originals around anywhere

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:26 PM



1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12; Ps 18:11; Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23; Ex 33:11; Gen 3:9,10; Gen 32:30; Is 6:1;
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18; John 5:37; Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17; Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3; Ps 139:7-10; Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5; Gen 18:20,21; Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24; Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3; Deut 8:2; Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27; Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
someone make up their minds pleaselaugh


Not going to go through all of them at this moment, i will tomorrow if someone else hasn't show how bogus of a statement this is. I will point out the first one though and let it roll from there.

God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

Gen 1:31 is telling God is happy with his creation of the world and seen that it was good.
---------------------------
Gen 6:5-6 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-----------------------------

You can see here God wasn't dissatisfied with his works in general, was dissatisfied with how the world was behaving. Put into more of a common everyday scenerio, you have a kid and you love that kid dearly. You are very very happy with that child, but then that child does something bad one day, steals some gum, drops a glass, ect you choose. You are satisfied with your child in general and love that child dearly, you're just unsatisfied with the child's actions at that moment.

God is still satisfied with the work he did, just not satisfied with the works his creation is making.
these are just a few of the contradictions ..hell i can go on 2Kings 8:26 vs 2Chron 22:2 or 2Samuel 6:23 vs 2Samuel 21:8,even if these are errors from publications which one do you believe...funny thing there is no actual scriptures in existance either..meaning no originals around anywhere


Chronicles
7:12And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

7:16For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually
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Acts 7:48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
========================================

As you can see Chronicles isn't saying anything about the lord being there exactly. It's a hourse for sacrifice to the lord, not a house for the dwelling of the lord. And in acts it is saying the high dweleth not in the templs made with hands. Our father doesn't reside in a building. The lord dwells within us, not in a building. The building is only used for congregating multiple people together for worship. But nevertheless the lord doesn't dwell there, the father is within us.

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Mon 10/11/10 09:28 PM




Some of u peeps make me sick! surprised scared


good.


Always gotta B a jerk in the room


Oh I am just so sorry.
I have a low tolerance for stupidity. I've been working on it but so far, to no avail.
Perhaps if you added something of interest to the conversation....


I did, take note! its called the TRUTH!

RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:29 PM




1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12; Ps 18:11; Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23; Ex 33:11; Gen 3:9,10; Gen 32:30; Is 6:1;
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18; John 5:37; Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17; Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3; Ps 139:7-10; Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5; Gen 18:20,21; Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24; Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3; Deut 8:2; Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27; Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
someone make up their minds pleaselaugh


Not going to go through all of them at this moment, i will tomorrow if someone else hasn't show how bogus of a statement this is. I will point out the first one though and let it roll from there.

God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

Gen 1:31 is telling God is happy with his creation of the world and seen that it was good.
---------------------------
Gen 6:5-6 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-----------------------------

You can see here God wasn't dissatisfied with his works in general, was dissatisfied with how the world was behaving. Put into more of a common everyday scenerio, you have a kid and you love that kid dearly. You are very very happy with that child, but then that child does something bad one day, steals some gum, drops a glass, ect you choose. You are satisfied with your child in general and love that child dearly, you're just unsatisfied with the child's actions at that moment.

God is still satisfied with the work he did, just not satisfied with the works his creation is making.
these are just a few of the contradictions ..hell i can go on 2Kings 8:26 vs 2Chron 22:2 or 2Samuel 6:23 vs 2Samuel 21:8,even if these are errors from publications which one do you believe...funny thing there is no actual scriptures in existance either..meaning no originals around anywhere


Chronicles
7:12And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

7:16For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Acts 7:48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
========================================

As you can see Chronicles isn't saying anything about the lord being there exactly. It's a hourse for sacrifice to the lord, not a house for the dwelling of the lord. And in acts it is saying the high dweleth not in the templs made with hands. Our father doesn't reside in a building. The lord dwells within us, not in a building. The building is only used for congregating multiple people together for worship. But nevertheless the lord doesn't dwell there, the father is within us.
explain #4 then...lets me guess another copyist error

RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:30 PM
the bible has to many "copyist errors" yeah if thats what you want to believe

GummiBear's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:34 PM
I can explain #4.

God is seen & heard in the heart and thru your soul, thru the presence of the Holy spirit & the Bible.

He is to Holy to see in his Godly appaerance by us. He is not heard audible anymore as in old testamenta days


Thx CowboyGH! :smile: finly some real answers!

RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:43 PM

I can explain #4.

God is seen & heard in the heart and thru your soul, thru the presence of the Holy spirit & the Bible.

He is to Holy to see in his Godly appaerance by us. He is not heard audible anymore as in old testamenta days


Thx CowboyGH! :smile: finly some real answers!
but thats what the scripture represents is the old testament,not how you want to interpret it...its a total contradiction period

GummiBear's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:46 PM


I can explain #4.

God is seen & heard in the heart and thru your soul, thru the presence of the Holy spirit & the Bible.

He is to Holy to see in his Godly appaerance by us. He is not heard audible anymore as in old testamenta days


Thx CowboyGH! :smile: finly some real answers!
but thats what the scripture represents is the old testament,not how you want to interpret it...its a total contradiction period


4 those who dont believe, no proof will ever B enuff

RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:46 PM
these aren't real answers,its just more interpretations of interpretations

RKISIT's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:47 PM



I can explain #4.

God is seen & heard in the heart and thru your soul, thru the presence of the Holy spirit & the Bible.

He is to Holy to see in his Godly appaerance by us. He is not heard audible anymore as in old testamenta days


Thx CowboyGH! :smile: finly some real answers!
but thats what the scripture represents is the old testament,not how you want to interpret it...its a total contradiction period


4 those who dont believe, no proof will ever B enuff
there is no proof just a book

GummiBear's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:49 PM

these aren't real answers,its just more interpretations of interpretations


the Bible isnt a cookbook, Rkisit its not written that way. its deeper than that

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Tue 10/12/10 09:18 AM


Ab...You did the world a favor when you changed your mind, not becoming a preacher/pastor. Are you soldout for wicca now? or will you defect that too and choose another one this time next year. With observation it's plain to see you are wishy washy or euphemistically, agnostic. Meaning...you just don't know what to believe. You hammer away at the God of the bible hoping you will get some fantastic knowledge that you can run away with to misconstrue. If you had continued your study in the WORD and trusted and not doubted, you may have been blessed with some true wisdom. The LORD's true preachers won't defect. You cut yourself short. Truth is hidden from you. You have that "strong delusion" that the WORD of God speaks of.

"And for this cause

God shall send them strong delusion,

that they should BELIEVE a lie:"

2Thes. 2:11,


The mere fact that you'd rather crucify me, an innocent man, than to address point-by-point where you think I might be mistaken, clearly shows that you ultimately recognize that my observations cannot be contested.

Should I be surprised that someone who worships these biblical myths is so anxious to crucify the character of another in the name of religion? whoa

I get this all my life. I point out the absurdities, falsehoods, and contradictions in the biblical myth and people cannot offer intelligent explanations to counter my observations. So out of pure frustration they start attacking my personal character in the belief that if they can make it appear that my observations are meaningless then they won't need to explain them away. laugh

Sorry, dear, that approach never gets anywhere. That's the mentality that causes things like the Crusades or witch burnings to happen. Just claim that the non-believers are either heathens or that they have sold their souls to the devil. devil

If there's something I say that you disagree with, try addressing that topic or issue directly instead of climbing on your righteous pedestal and condemning me to be a "lost soul". whoa

That's absurd behavior in itself and just confirms my observations about what these fables cause people to act like.


Yeah. What he said.

(Now that I think about it, that kind of behavior reminds me of Republicans...but that's another debate...)

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Tue 10/12/10 09:21 AM






Yes Satan is the cause of alot of people's behaviours and actions, but never a reasoning. It still boils down to our own choice to either do the sinful action or not. Nothing can MAKE anyone do anything, it is still our own responsibility to do the right thing.


That's an oxymoronic statement. How can Satan be the 'cause' of anyone's actions if people always have the free will to make their own choices? huh

In fact, you continually accuse everyone who refuses to accept that the ancient Hebrews speak for God, but there is clearly nothing 'sinful' about disbelieving the words of a bunch of mortal men.

That's not the same as refusing to obey a "God" who actually makes himself known.

So until your God actually shows himself, it's absurd to believe that he would "pass judgment" on anyone for not obeying him. He hasn't directly communicated with them and therefore cannot claim that they refused him.

At best, in his infinite wisdom he could clearly see that all they are doing is refusing to believe the tall tales of other mortal men.

In fact, you reject the tall tales of many mortal men. Just like the OP suggests, "When religious 'believers' understand why they dismiss all possible gods and religions except for their one 'true' god , they will understand why I dismiss theirs."

There's no reason to believe that the ancient Hebrews had the "only" connection with the creator of ALL humanity. In fact, such a notion is actually quite unrealistic and unbelievable.

If there is a creator of all of humanity who is attempting to communicate with us, he/she/it would surely attempt to communicate with all cultures equally. To believe that the creator of humanity would single out a particular culture and political nation as its "chosen" people is unreasonable.

The very fact that these ancient Hebrews make such a claim is reason to highly suspect their religious bigotry.




Ab...You did the world a favor when you changed your mind, not becoming a preacher/pastor. Are you soldout for wicca now? or will you defect that too and choose another one this time next year. With observation it's plain to see you are wishy washy or euphemistically, agnostic. Meaning...you just don't know what to believe. You hammer away at the God of the bible hoping you will get some fantastic knowledge that you can run away with to misconstrue. If you had continued your study in the WORD and trusted and not doubted, you may have been blessed with some true wisdom. The LORD's true preachers won't defect. You cut yourself short. Truth is hidden from you. You have that "strong delusion" that the WORD of God speaks of.

"And for this cause

God shall send them strong delusion,

that they should BELIEVE a lie:"

2Thes. 2:11,


And no it's not an oxymoron. Let me put it in more of a everyday perspective that has the same concept.

You're sit'n with your woman in the car driving around lost. You come to a 4way. You have the free will to go right if you want. You may even feel that's the way to go. But you allow your girlfriend to persuade you to go left. So you listen to her and take a left getting further lost, when in the end you realize you should really have gone right.

She didn't "force" you to go left. She didn't "make" you go left. You willingly went left instead of right on your own free will.

So as you can see she was the cause for you to go left, but you could never blame her for getting you guys further lost for it was nevertheless your choice to listen and go left. So I ask you to go right instead of straying off to the left. Listen to your heart and hear the worlds our father tells you. Let no interference change your direction, keep on the right path to the lord.


So what you're saying is men shouldn't listen to women...or lefties.
Ok....
laugh


he saying that when a girlfriend nags it takes away "Free Will"


Vaginas are powerful persuaders...

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/12/10 09:30 AM


1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12; Ps 18:11; Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23; Ex 33:11; Gen 3:9,10; Gen 32:30; Is 6:1;
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18; John 5:37; Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17; Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3; Ps 139:7-10; Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5; Gen 18:20,21; Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24; Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3; Deut 8:2; Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27; Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
someone make up their minds pleaselaugh


Not going to go through all of them at this moment, i will tomorrow if someone else hasn't show how bogus of a statement this is. I will point out the first one though and let it roll from there.

God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

Gen 1:31 is telling God is happy with his creation of the world and seen that it was good.
---------------------------
Gen 6:5-6 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-----------------------------

You can see here God wasn't dissatisfied with his works in general, was dissatisfied with how the world was behaving. Put into more of a common everyday scenerio, you have a kid and you love that kid dearly. You are very very happy with that child, but then that child does something bad one day, steals some gum, drops a glass, ect you choose. You are satisfied with your child in general and love that child dearly, you're just unsatisfied with the child's actions at that moment.

God is still satisfied with the work he did, just not satisfied with the works his creation is making.
well heres another point god can do all this but not give them behaviors that he sees fit,come on.

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Tue 10/12/10 09:33 AM





Some of u peeps make me sick! surprised scared


good.


Always gotta B a jerk in the room


Oh I am just so sorry.
I have a low tolerance for stupidity. I've been working on it but so far, to no avail.
Perhaps if you added something of interest to the conversation....


I did, take note! its called the TRUTH!


laugh
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the a$$.

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Tue 10/12/10 09:40 AM

I can explain #4.

God is seen & heard in the heart and thru your soul, thru the presence of the Holy spirit & the Bible.

He is to Holy to see in his Godly appaerance by us. He is not heard audible anymore as in old testamenta days


Thx CowboyGH! :smile: finly some real answers!


laugh Can we just call you Jethro?
Isn't it funny how alot of hard core religionists are pretty close to illiterate? You almost never see that in atheists. I bet that means something. :wink:

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Tue 10/12/10 09:42 AM



I can explain #4.

God is seen & heard in the heart and thru your soul, thru the presence of the Holy spirit & the Bible.

He is to Holy to see in his Godly appaerance by us. He is not heard audible anymore as in old testamenta days


Thx CowboyGH! :smile: finly some real answers!
but thats what the scripture represents is the old testament,not how you want to interpret it...its a total contradiction period


4 those who dont believe, no proof will ever B enuff


For those that can't read nor write, they'll believe just about any silly thing.