He has also only been to Church a once or twice since becoming President, hell he even made the Dalai Lama walk out the trash door with bags or trash surrounding him. He has treated Religions leaders like garbage, other then Muslim and Islamic Leaders. He barely talks to or meets with the Pope and doesn't have much to do with the Vatican.

He also attended a church for years that was led by a racist and anti Semitic leader who would say things in his sermons like "It's not God Bless the USA, it's God Damn the USA" and other hate speechs.

I am also a christian, besides the dalai lama thing, i could easily be 'accused' of the same things

oh and I have NEVER met the pope or ANY religious leaders nor have I had much to do with the vatican,,,

none of those things has anything to do with if someone is christian or muslim though,,

Yes, but did he _choose_ to attend those schools? Did he embrace that radicalism?

How could he? He was only a child at that point.

We all know stories of people who were raised in less-than-ideal backgrounds and circumstances who threw off the yoke of wrongheaded thinking and went on to become exemplars of society.

Likewise, we probably all could name people from privileged backgrounds who went on to commit awful crimes.

One thing is for sure-- we can repudiate our parents, but somehow some particle of the relationship bubbles up to the surface sometimes to haunt us if the sum of the parts of that relationship didn't add up to an ideal one.

-Kerry O.

Look at the "Children" AQ, The Taliban, TTP, AQAP, Hezbullah, Hamas and the other terrorist orginizations are using as human shields and suicide bombers.

If you're trying to imply that that's typical Muslim behaviour ( and I don't believe it is, it's just the work of extremists brainwashing those children), haven't you dealt your argument that Obama is a Muslim a fatal blow? I doubt that you can find one instance of him approving of that sort of behaviour.

I would suggest that merely the fact we are still in Afghanistan also bodes ill for the argument that he's a closet Muslim.

But hey... opinions vary.


-Kerry O.

what percentage of the muslims are extremists would you say?

I'd say the number would be porportional to that of other religious creeds.

When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, would you say that was the work of Muslim extremism or just that of the Baath Party (which, if memory serves, was started by a Christian)?

Or how about this? Were the Viet Cong extremists, or a product of the time in which they lived? And if so, where are they now that America is again making nice with a unified Viet Nam?

-Kerry O.

most of the websites are saying about 7%, the highest at 20% and the lowest at 3%...at 7% that is around 100 million extremists...3% would be around 42 million extremists, while 20% would be around 240 million. there is only 42 million people in Iraq, while 86 million in Vietnam, based on a 2008 census. 1.4 billion islamics, i do not think we have been in this type of war with this many people involved ever before. and i really do not think there is 100 million extremists Christians running around.

can you clarify your numbers and your main point here please, thanx

(what types of 'extremists' are you referring to and what websites are you using for the information)

Islam is radical in it self.

Islam preaches pedophilia, taking of slaves, owning women, treating women like dirt,

Qur'anic verse 4:34 allows Muslim men to discipline their wives by striking them.

"Men are the maintainers of women because God has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as God has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely God is High, Great."


Torment to Non-believers: burn their skin black; repeat
SURA 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Allah causes you to disbelieve and then he punishes you for that
2.7 Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

Slavery is OK and it's good to have a spare...
4.92 And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms...

No friends with parents / siblings if not believers
9.23: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

Friends with Jews, Christians...
5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Gruesome Amputations
Said he (Pharaoh): You believe in him before I give you permission; most surely he is the chief of you who taught you the magic, so you shall know: certainly I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and certainly I will crucify you all. (External link: Dhimmi Watch)

Fight non-believers
9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).


Kill non-believers
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.


Killing Idolaters
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”

Terror
3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Moreover Allah says of those who reject him. Because, Allah has already sentenced them to death.

Unbelievers
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

Yup, a religion of peace and tolorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence#Intolerance

religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point

here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links


both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,,

Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers.

extreme christians(like abortion clinic bombers or abortion doctor assasins) surely do

and one who is determined can CERTAINLY find verses in the bible that they can claim prove GOD himself did so

Ok, so there is one or two abortion bombing in 5 years or so and there are at least 20 or so Muslim Terrorist attacks DAILY.

Some of the more radical ones on here have frequently stated we MUST nuke Iran.

Madelalyn Murray O'Hair was the frequent target of death threats after her suit before the Supreme Court was won in the early 60's and which declared compulsory prayer in public schools to be unconstitutional. She and two members of her family were murdered and federal agents were left to solve the case after the Austin P.D. showed a marked apathy for finding the person(s) responsible. Even after the murder was found and convicted, he was sentenced to only 20 years for three murders.

More recently, radical Christians have called for atheists to be barred from holding public offices.

Jesus himself is purportedly quoted in the Bible as saying "Think not that I come to bring peace to the world, but a sword." (And yes, I KNOW that it will be stated that that was only a metaphor not to be taken literally. But if that's true, why do the same people who way that take EVERYTHING Islam says as literal?)

-Kerry O.