miles, I don't believe there is any way to connect Iraq with 911. I think we made a mistake by in effect killing Hussein because he wouldn't have allowed those terrorist organizations into his country. The guy was a freakin megalomaniac and would have cut there heads off if they pooped giving him suggestions. this thing was brokered for Haliburton by Richard Cheyney and the Chinese had a role in this too somehow, they get the lions share of the oil. Next!

He can't well known fact not US born and then the kennedys own the WH LOL era after era of same line of kings ummm I mean presidents not likely

Congress favorite job?


BAIT AND SWITCH.

http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/bevin/schwarzenegger_foreign_born_amendment_921.htm


Now that this has calmed down some i bet its in the workings.. Its real....









BIRTHPLACE AND PRESIDENCIES
The Schwarzenegger amendment
By Bevin B. | RAW STORY COLUMNIST

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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The above quote, concerning the requirements for eligibility for the Presidency, is from the Constitution of the United States of America. There are three basic requirements, with which every American citizen is familiar: the candidate must be at least thirty-five years of age; the candidate must have resided in America for at least fourteen years; and, noted foremost, the candidate must be born an American. As outlined in the supreme document of our land, the guidelines are quite clear.
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA), who was born in Austria, has endorsed a challenge to this clause. Last year, Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) introduced a bill that would change the Constitution to allow anyone who has lived in America for at least twenty years to run for the Presidency. Earlier this year, at a meeting of the National Governor's Association in Washington, Schwarzenegger was quoted as saying, "that there's no reason why not [to allow a person with at least twenty years United States residency to run for President]."

A woman who came to the Governor's office with a bit less fanfare than Gov. Schwarzenegger was Jennifer Granholm (D-MI). Gov. Granholm was born in Vancouver, British Columbia.

A statement issued by Liz Boyd, Press Secretary to Governor Granholm, stated, On "the issue of a constitutional amendment allowing foreign born citizens to serve as president, Governor Granholm has said this: [e]xcept for Native Americans, we are a country of immigrants. That is the essence, the fundamental core, the heritage of being an American."

Hatch has denied that his bill was proposed with Schwarzenegger in mind. Schwarzenegger has demurred from suggestions that he is currently considering a presidential run. Gov. Granholm, also personally rejecting the idea of a run, supports the alteration. Still, there is reason for concern that this bill could immanently amend the Constitution.

Senator Orrin Hatch recommends that twenty years of American residency is the magic number for Presidential eligibility. Really though, when does the American spirit ignite in a person? The drafters of the Constitution felt that American spirit could only be carried by the birth of a citizen or by the birth of a nation. The drafters of the Constitution apparently felt that, in the future, only the pride of an innate inheritance of America could qualify someone to govern their great, though fledgling, nation. With their intentions clear, they penned the requirement.

That is not to claim that the drafters of the Constitution were always considered right. Since they gave their names to the document (excluding the Bill of Rights), there are been seventeen amendments to the Constitution. There is even one amendment (Amendment XVIII — prohibition of alcohol) that is overruled by a subsequent amendment (Amendment XXI — repeal of prohibition). In fact, some people consider the most beautiful aspect of the Constitution to be its elasticity.

Gov. Schwarzenegger, again at the National Governor's Association, cited Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright as examples of foreigners who served in the high rank of Secretary of State who would have been, perhaps wrongly, Constitutionally denied the right to run for President. Gov. Granholm, again quoted through Liz Boyd in a personal e-mail, states that, "f the concern is about loyalty to America, which it is, then a requirement that a naturalized citizen have lived in this country for 25 or more years should alleviate that concern, particularly where someone was brought to this country as a child." [Author's Note: The twenty-five years recommended in this quote refers to the proposed Presidential candidacy requirement outlined in a bill similar to Orrin Hatch's bill submitted to the House by Vic Synder (D-AR) in June 2004].

Nonetheless, there remains a valid concern about the Constitutional changes which are proposed. In these days of terror and wars, there is a significant question regarding to whom we are and should be willing to entrust our national security. Americans have been asked to and have sacrificed so many of their personal freedoms already. It seems unfair to ask the American public to entrust the highest office in the land to someone who is not American born and bred.

This concern is isolationist and borne out of fear, certainly. However, Lincoln ran his reelection campaign on the slogan, "Neither prince nor pauper ought to change horses midstream." While it is true that America always seems to be in midstream (and perhaps that is our strength), we do seem to be fighting especially choppy waters presently.

The time to amend the Constitution about an issue like this is when the waters are steadier. Gov. Granholm is quoted as saying, "You can’t choose where you are born, but you can choose where you live and where you swear your allegiance." Her statement is a statement of truth and hope to which we can cling while we wait for the surely deep, calm waters of the future.

hey, Im sure plenty of people applause Birthers who speak about their theories to discredit the Presidents nationality


everyone has a right to opinion,, just not to incite a riot..lol
why should the UN operate any differently?

Still hasn't passed

Akmadinnerjacket tho~ a nutjob is correct about 9-11. I hate that it's him that gets it in the press...the Truthers have many credible spokespersons but him saying it gives ammo to the witless Duhniers.

Egads....you know?

911 was not a government conspiracy.

Hell, look up Magellions syndrome. There are people convinced that the government has been conducting aerial spraying to infect us with some Andromeda bug. Conspiracy theorists are for the most part 98% whack Jobs! It is FAR easier to contaminate water supplies. It is also a lot more controllable. Aerial spraying is totally uncontrollable. If someone were out to infect us with weirdness they sure in the heck would not want to risk contaminating themselves!

If you think our government had anything to do with the 911 attacks get over yourselves. It is clear a lot of people who are not pilots or had been through ground school have any comprehension the difference between controlled air space and restricted air space. Also the Air Force will not shoot down a jet air liner over a city UNLESS it was going to drop a nuke on us! PERIOD!

98% of conspiracy theorists = stupid screws!

Ooooh ooooh oooh I got a new conspiracy theory another country snuck into the building planted charges, then hired Muslims to crash airplanes like Komakozies into the Pentagon and the world trades centers with the intent to fly one directly into the White House itself, with the intent of the US attacking the Muslim Arab Nations.......who might want to do the uhhhhhh, Isreal? Ummmmmm, China could have intent anyone with any intention of being at odds with the Arab world known or unknown..........does it hold water? Just a conspiracy theory I could write with just a little bit of imagination I could probably think of three more.......LMAO OMG did she really just say that?

LOL...this country has conspired to start wars before. Bay of Tonkin ring a bell?...and this equating of other CTs as a defense for NOT getting to the truth about 9-11 only works on the least of IQs, and/or people who can't handle the truth.

Maybe someday we'll get an investigation and put these CTs to rest...or not huh?

There is another thread on here about the holocaust, perhaps we could have another one muck muck iditarod and the truth out people as the first guests.

Thats what they want you to think and they are good at it.

Ever seen the papers that have just been released to where the govt. sent a drone plane close to cuba in the early 60's.

purpose? To shoot it down and claim the cubans did it so they could get the people behind them to invade Cuba.

This is not a conspericy therory its a fact but it did not work

Crazy.. Yea thats what they do to special ops soliers who can not handle what they are told to do.

I have a friend who was in special ops like Ollie North. His missions>

To go into countries dressed up as soldiers of another country blow stuff up kill people and get out.

What happens retaliation towards who they think invaded them.

he went to his commanding officer and told him he could not handlle it anymore.

He was told do not worry they would take care of him..

They did they admitted him to a VA Hosp overseas in the mental ward filled him with so much drugs and discharged him full disability as a schitzophenic. Why? He is not creditable in what he says.. Crazy lost his mind PTSD... he remembers though and still has nightmares of what he did. Yet nothing he can do and know one will believe him.. Thats our Govt. at its best

Thats true as far as i know. But with anything talk has to start.. Overtime people are not as shocked by the idea. Notice how they keep denying Arnold is not the reason for the talk about it. Research who else loved his home town.. Very Interesting

all he's trying to do is get the dim-witted people that believe that nonsense to act on it to try to divide the US even more than it is.
to bad the dim-wits do not see that, we really don't need any more inner turmoil...

Yep! That is pretty concise.

Dim- Witss.. Get Informed!!!





http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba

60 comments By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 ( NOTICE BEFORE 9/11 )





In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit

acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats

of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in

U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust

Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in

Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national

indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about

the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the

agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense

secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone

undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted

to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse,

the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created

by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.


The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an

American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies

with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to

become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military

was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion,

but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation

after the invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing

exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were

accusing Castro himself of doing."

'Over the Edge'

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans

in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President

Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports.

Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.


The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with

leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same

time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.

There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.

And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against

government policy of the day.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a

"considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee

even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of

Northwoods, says Bamford.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped

over the edge."

Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene.

Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which

Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention

of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it

wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

After 40 Years

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined

the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the

public's access to government records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs

destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford

pffffffffffffffffftttttttttttt...

=ronically enough the proof is subjective and could possibly have been fabricated.....the other point is.....there is no proof for 911.....and for everyone that can bring proof for one side another can also for the opposition.......I still do not see any unequivical proof to suppot 911 and that is what we are talking about after all isn't it.....not what happened in the 60s 40 years ago.......how does what happened forty years ago prove in anyway what happened at 911........and tell me there is proof it wasn't terroists or another country doing to the US what they suspect the US did in 1960....besides if Cheyney had anything to do with it he'd of just taken a shotgun and shot everyone....now that incident I would call suspect......

I do not know for sure one way or the other.

What I do know is in the past these type of acts towards our own citizens have been on the drawing board.

I do know that before the attack on 9 11 Dr. Rice was asked what it would take for us to invade Iraq. Her answer. "Another Pearl Harbor"

Months later 9 11 was being called another Pearl Harbor.

I do know the US forces its wishes on the world.. We are bullies.. We know right from wrong.. Well i guess Africa does not matter to us.


I do know that Chemical Ali was a farse. They did have 2 defectors and they said thier was no known chemicals being made at least in Iraq.

Colin Powell before the UN.. We have proof he has chemical labs on trains criss crossing the country to evade our detection.

A known Lie.


I do know we can not find 1 man hiding in a cave somewhere but we can find the leader of a country in a hole in the ground with press present when he is taken out of his hole.

I do know we asked pakistans permission to send a Tomahawk missile to kill Bin Laden but they requested a 2 hr notice before we entered thier air space.


I do know during this time a drone video taped him and a high ranking officer of his leave during this 2 hr time frame.


I do know that the plane that hit the pentegon desintigrated on impact going through 4 barrier walls. Also the plane in Penn did also.

1st planes in history for this to ever of happened.

I do know that the small hole on the pentegon on video left a bible on a table un scorched right where it went through.

Yet we have been told that the plane desintigrated but DNA for all the passengers was recoverable.


I do know that the hi jackers had to be really lucky to pick a day when thier were excersizes going on at least 150 miles off the coast leaving virtually all of NE America unprotected.

I do know the planes that were on this excersise are cable of Mach3+ air spead 2000mph in a matter of minutes meaning they could of been over New York before the 2nd plane ever hit.

Yes we are told the air traffic controllers thought this was part of the exersize. Another lucky streak for Al Quada.

Many many things I do know about our military.

As far as the Topic of Iran. He said alot of truth. But we will not listen because we think he is a nut job.

He is a very intelligent man who by the way We Put in Power.

His religious views do not match us. He believes and up untill recently they were called Persia not Iran.

So he believes he is the leader in these last days of the Great persian Empire Rome did not want to mess with.

So yes he has some views we deam rediculus and they may be to us but not to his country.


He stands up against us because of his faith his diety will protect them.

We say he has nuclear bombs or may want to produce them.

We say noway we are the rulers of the world only us can have them.. we need to take him out and we are doing our best to get world support to do this.

But see we do not care if he has nuclear bombs or not and is probally why he says he does not really need them.

See I worked during star wars had training through Nasa and i did not even know what my job was.

But i remember and went on to school and I remember being told Russia was going to fall before it did.. The cold war era.

How could this be?

Because we have told them and every other country that if they ever shot a nuke missile we would blow it up before it left the ground and we proved we could.

Missile defence in Europe is not even discussed anymore that was for our benefit that we was doing something great to protect us.

I believe i even told people on here that if N Korea shot a missile up that could hit us it would fail.

Guess what it did.

You know what else happened that day?

Russia thought they would be sneaky and test a long range missile from Moscow all the way across the country.

They got a big suprise.

I do no believe to this day it has ever been found.. Poof goes the dragaon and right after that Russia changed thier tune with us again.

I just do not like people thinking we are the only society that is right. That anyone who does not agree with us is a Terrorists/monster that is unstable.

Because the plans have already been in the works to make us obey.. They call it the Patriot Act.

Senate Vote all but 1 voted for it and why did he not vote?

We need to read the darn thing before we vote people.. No one cared.. Thanks Ron Paul for standing up for what is right

a farse? then who gas the shite's in Iraq then? did they do that themselves? 2 defectors said that... how many said that they were?
i bet it was more than 2...


i suppose all the passengers were killed somewhere else then brought to these sites? a plane slams into the ground at 600 mph and there are supposed to be big chunks around? it is made of aluminum...sheet aluminum at that...how big were the pieces supposed to be?

were you there to see the bible? more internet trash stories, just like the monitor that still worked after the crash...
your just fooling yourself, and trying to get other people to agree with you. but whatever makes you happy, i really don't care whether you believe this nonsense or not. but maybe you should try reading about what really happened, instead of the loser websites that try to make something out of nothing...