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he's just trying to ruin the country 3000 Americans died there, and he stands up for the people that killed them... that yellow streak on his back is getting bigger There were 2,796 victims on 9/11 and not all were Americans. Victims came from 70 different countries. By all means remember the victims but do not insult them in same breath by saying they were all Americans. I'm sure each was proud of his own nationality. Companies from other nations had offices there as well. A Korean bank, Japanese Bank, NHL offices, Consulates. Companies from Europe, Australia, Asia. I for one am Canadian. There were Canadian victims at the Towers. Canadian not American. Trivia: Canadians fought in Nam by volonteering for US military. They were buried as "proud Americans" ...... their families feel different. Or they can use the Mosques already built in Lower Manhattan. |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah this may seem stupid, but I dont like assuming, and if you dont wish to answer due to hatred in these threads I understand but have you studied islam? I only ask because I am always curious to hear from those who actually have STUDIED it personally as opposed to the many westerners who only know the snippets they have HEARD about,,, if you're asking me, i've been muslim all my life and have studied it in various madrasas in Cairo, Baghdad, and Gaza. |
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he's just trying to ruin the country 3000 Americans died there, and he stands up for the people that killed them... that yellow streak on his back is getting bigger There were 2,796 victims on 9/11 and not all were Americans. Victims came from 70 different countries. By all means remember the victims but do not insult them in same breath by saying they were all Americans. I'm sure each was proud of his own nationality. Companies from other nations had offices there as well. A Korean bank, Japanese Bank, NHL offices, Consulates. Companies from Europe, Australia, Asia. and Muslims too died in the towers. No matter how hard they try the hatemongering cannot make sense because it not meant to. 
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wow, and I thought america represented religious freedom , so that americans could be ANY Religion they chose,,, Im always learning new things about this great AMERICA on these threads,,, It's not like anything really, like the mingle2 political section, which is pretty much been hijacked by fundamentalists. Just roll down on each topics, it's all the usual suspects..about 5-6 of them. Actually just stop replying to them, they are here to irritate the rest with their garbage. |
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ok, topics are overlapping here I was talking strictly of the cordoba initiative, which is being run by the imam there is also park 51 , of which the imam is only a temporary head until a non profit is formed but here is what I found on the loudspeaker issue(kind of as I figured , it would be about city ordinance and not religious culture) City noise ordinances govern loudspeaker use, and there is no evidence that developers have any interest in applying for a permit to project the call to prayer. The vast majority of mosques in the U.S. do not amplify the adhan in their local neighborhoods. from islam.about.com I also found other sites referencing there are no plans for loudspeakers,,, Of course there isn't any evidence they are trying to get the permit, hell the building isn't up yet but im sure when it goes up they will start applying. |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah It's a Mosque, the Imam's wife even called it one. |
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wow, and I thought america represented religious freedom , so that americans could be ANY Religion they chose,,, Im always learning new things about this great AMERICA on these threads,,, It's not like anything really, like the mingle2 political section, which is pretty much been hijacked by fundamentalists. Just roll down on each topics, it's all the usual suspects..about 5-6 of them. Actually just stop replying to them, they are here to irritate the rest with their garbage. you can also not read it too... |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah It's a Mosque, the Imam's wife even called it one. prayer = mosque you can sugar coat it all you want, but it is still a mosque. |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah this may seem stupid, but I dont like assuming, and if you dont wish to answer due to hatred in these threads I understand but have you studied islam? I only ask because I am always curious to hear from those who actually have STUDIED it personally as opposed to the many westerners who only know the snippets they have HEARD about,,, if you're asking me, i've been muslim all my life and have studied it in various madrasas in Cairo, Baghdad, and Gaza. ty, I know the environment here is not always welcoming,,, |
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ok, topics are overlapping here I was talking strictly of the cordoba initiative, which is being run by the imam there is also park 51 , of which the imam is only a temporary head until a non profit is formed but here is what I found on the loudspeaker issue(kind of as I figured , it would be about city ordinance and not religious culture) City noise ordinances govern loudspeaker use, and there is no evidence that developers have any interest in applying for a permit to project the call to prayer. The vast majority of mosques in the U.S. do not amplify the adhan in their local neighborhoods. from islam.about.com I also found other sites referencing there are no plans for loudspeakers,,, Of course there isn't any evidence they are trying to get the permit, hell the building isn't up yet but im sure when it goes up they will start applying. well, when they apply to build they have to submit a plan and have it approved,,,, |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah It's a Mosque, the Imam's wife even called it one. prayer = mosque you can sugar coat it all you want, but it is still a mosque. It's noting more then brand polishing. They gotta make their brand look better to American's so they can sell it to them. |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights I am not trying to deny anyone their rights. I just think that building the ground zero mosque or islamic center if you will so close to the attack site is a bad idea for a variety of reasons and I understand why reasonable people are offended by it. The point I was making above is that even if people are unhappy with having to move the location of the planned islamic center that can never be an excuse to kill people. Not one person. Certainly not THOUSANDS. 
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever. |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights I am not trying to deny anyone their rights. I just think that building the ground zero mosque or islamic center if you will so close to the attack site is a bad idea for a variety of reasons and I understand why reasonable people are offended by it. The point I was making above is that even if people are unhappy with having to move the location of the planned islamic center that can never be an excuse to kill people. Not one person. Certainly not THOUSANDS.
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever. well, I dont play the blame game, I feel responsibility is rarely accurately applied because BLAME is a so much more liberating idea to most there is no EXCUSE for killing people other than in self defense, but people do have RESPONSIBIILITY for behaving with and treating others with dignity |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights I am not trying to deny anyone their rights. I just think that building the ground zero mosque or islamic center if you will so close to the attack site is a bad idea for a variety of reasons and I understand why reasonable people are offended by it. The point I was making above is that even if people are unhappy with having to move the location of the planned islamic center that can never be an excuse to kill people. Not one person. Certainly not THOUSANDS.
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever. well, I dont play the blame game, I feel responsibility is rarely accurately applied because BLAME is a so much more liberating idea to most there is no EXCUSE for killing people other than in self defense, but people do have RESPONSIBIILITY for behaving with and treating others with dignity Unlike liberals, true vegetarians don't eat their own. True pacifists will take the bullet and not wish harm on the murderer. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 08/31/10 09:31 AM
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights I am not trying to deny anyone their rights. I just think that building the ground zero mosque or islamic center if you will so close to the attack site is a bad idea for a variety of reasons and I understand why reasonable people are offended by it. The point I was making above is that even if people are unhappy with having to move the location of the planned islamic center that can never be an excuse to kill people. Not one person. Certainly not THOUSANDS.
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever. well, I dont play the blame game, I feel responsibility is rarely accurately applied because BLAME is a so much more liberating idea to most there is no EXCUSE for killing people other than in self defense, but people do have RESPONSIBIILITY for behaving with and treating others with dignity Unlike liberals, true vegetarians don't eat their own. True pacifists will take the bullet and not wish harm on the murderer. so pacifists wont act to protect their own lives? lol ok, I will add that to my list Im not a TRUE pacifist then(not willing to commit suicide/passively allow my death) Im not a TRUE christian because I dont HATE muslims Im not a TRUE american, because I dont wear a lapel, I do support everyones right to their religious beliefs, and I have actually vacationed during ramadan I guess all thats left is for someone to point out in what way Im not a TRUE woman .....Im sure its coming,,,lol |
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights I am not trying to deny anyone their rights. I just think that building the ground zero mosque or islamic center if you will so close to the attack site is a bad idea for a variety of reasons and I understand why reasonable people are offended by it. The point I was making above is that even if people are unhappy with having to move the location of the planned islamic center that can never be an excuse to kill people. Not one person. Certainly not THOUSANDS.
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever. well, I dont play the blame game, I feel responsibility is rarely accurately applied because BLAME is a so much more liberating idea to most there is no EXCUSE for killing people other than in self defense, but people do have RESPONSIBIILITY for behaving with and treating others with dignity 
So you don't blame anyone for the 9/11 world trade center bombings? Everyone is equally to blame?!?
So if a woman is raped then you blame the woman EQUALLY with the rapist in all circumstances?!?
Give me a break!! THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED HERE. INNOCENT PEOPLE. FOR NO REASON EXCEPT FOR RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY. IT IS NOT THE VICTIM'S FAULT! JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE OUR POLITICS AND LIBERAL EGALITARIAN DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY THIS IS NEVER AN ACCEPTABLE REASON TO MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 08/31/10 09:37 AM
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first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah No amount of dispute over real estate or other political or social grievance justifies terrorist attacks. nor stops them.....so let americans have their american rights I am not trying to deny anyone their rights. I just think that building the ground zero mosque or islamic center if you will so close to the attack site is a bad idea for a variety of reasons and I understand why reasonable people are offended by it. The point I was making above is that even if people are unhappy with having to move the location of the planned islamic center that can never be an excuse to kill people. Not one person. Certainly not THOUSANDS.
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever. well, I dont play the blame game, I feel responsibility is rarely accurately applied because BLAME is a so much more liberating idea to most there is no EXCUSE for killing people other than in self defense, but people do have RESPONSIBIILITY for behaving with and treating others with dignity
So you don't blame anyone for the 9/11 world trade center bombings? Everyone is equally to blame?!?
So if a woman is raped then you blame the woman EQUALLY with the rapist in all circumstances?!?
Give me a break!! THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED HERE. INNOCENT PEOPLE. FOR NO REASON EXCEPT FOR RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY. IT IS NOT THE VICTIM'S FAULT! JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE OUR POLITICS AND LIBERAL EGALITARIAN DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY THIS IS NEVER AN ACCEPTABLE REASON TO MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE.
and that proves my point,, nowhere did I post that I dont BLAME anyone,,,,PRIMARY responsibility lies in the one who chooses to commit the action and is equal to BLAME I said I do not play the BLAME game because it tends to make everyone else feel ALLEVED of responsibility or a need to change anything If I walk down an alley at night alone in a daisy duke skirt and a halter, my IRRESPONSIBLE behavior may lead to me being raped,,,the rapist will be to BLAME for the rape, but I will have to take RESPONSIBILITY for my decision to be so careless and CHANGE that behavior in the future If I stand in front of a wrecking ball and the operator does not stop it,,the operator is to BLAME for not stopping the ball, but I am RESPONSIBLE for standing in front of it in the first place BLAME makes it all about the REACTION and ignores what lead to it, and thats how NOTHING changes, cause people continue doing the same thing without even CONSIDERING the slightest change,,, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome... |
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I guess all thats left is for someone to point out in what way Im not a TRUE woman .....Im sure its coming,,,lol OK. Prove it.   
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