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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, i have no problem with that... why do you? |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, i have no problem with that... why do you? because it is using a sword where a scalpel is needed as I have stated before, it is overkill to start using fear tactics and succumb to some police state where people have to carry ID at all times for all reasons,,,,, in any situation where someone is being ARRESTED, I would agree, but to give police power to randomly select who has to carry id and who doesnt,, doesnt sit well with me at all,,,,,, |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, i have no problem with that... why do you? because it is using a sword where a scalpel is needed as I have stated before, it is overkill to start using fear tactics and succumb to some police state where people have to carry ID at all times for all reasons,,,,, in any situation where someone is being ARRESTED, I would agree, but to give police power to randomly select who has to carry id and who doesnt,, doesnt sit well with me at all,,,,,, i carry mine everywhere... and if i don't, i should be taken in and seen who i am. |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, i have no problem with that... why do you? because it is using a sword where a scalpel is needed as I have stated before, it is overkill to start using fear tactics and succumb to some police state where people have to carry ID at all times for all reasons,,,,, in any situation where someone is being ARRESTED, I would agree, but to give police power to randomly select who has to carry id and who doesnt,, doesnt sit well with me at all,,,,,, i carry mine everywhere... and if i don't, i should be taken in and seen who i am. the only photo Id I have is my drivers permit. Which I dont carry if I am not driving... and my passport, which they actually recommend we DONT carry with us in the US and I dont unless Im traveling abroad they can ask me who I am , and they can verify the name and social I give them (complete with a picture) in the numerous databases they have access to |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, i have no problem with that... why do you? because it is using a sword where a scalpel is needed as I have stated before, it is overkill to start using fear tactics and succumb to some police state where people have to carry ID at all times for all reasons,,,,, in any situation where someone is being ARRESTED, I would agree, but to give police power to randomly select who has to carry id and who doesnt,, doesnt sit well with me at all,,,,,, i carry mine everywhere... and if i don't, i should be taken in and seen who i am. the only photo Id I have is my drivers permit. Which I dont carry if I am not driving... and my passport, which they actually recommend we DONT carry with us in the US and I dont unless Im traveling abroad they can ask me who I am , and they can verify the name and social I give them (complete with a picture) in the numerous databases they have access to females aren't usually the troublemakers .... most murderers, all rapist, are men. i personally would not mind losing a freedom or 2 if they would start doing SOMETHING about illegals. |
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anyone who paid any type of attention in basic highschool economics would understand everything wont be better in just a couple of years, and that NOONE can just just make it better by being elected......
it takes inovation, planning, projecting, balancing, trimming, etc etc... come on quit blaming everything on obama.....the fact is any president that enacts some form of economic reform wont really see the total fruits if it for quite some time...example......mr reagans trickle down economics thats seemed to help at first then totaly boned us....bushes tax cuts for the wealthy and further dereg...that boned us to...... THIS HOLE WASNT MADE OVERNIGHT. it will take just as long to fix... |
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OBAMA: Well, there are a range of things that are probably going to have to be delayed. We don't yet know what our tax revenues are going to be. The economy is slowing down, so it's hard to anticipate right now what the budget is going to look like next year. But there's no doubt that we're not going to be able to do everything that I think needs to be done. There are some things that I think have to be done. We have to have energy independence, so I've put forward a plan to make sure that, in 10 years' time, we have freed ourselves from dependence on Middle Eastern oil by increasing production at home, but most importantly by starting to invest in alternative energy (OOTC:AEGC) , solar, wind, biodiesel, making sure that we're developing the fuel-efficient cars of the future right here in the United States, in Ohio and Michigan, instead of Japan and South Korea. We have to fix our health care system, which is putting an enormous burden on families. Just -- a report just came out that the average deductible went up 30 percent on American families. They are getting crushed, and many of them are going bankrupt as a consequence of health care. I'm meeting folks all over the country. We have to do that now, because it will actually make our businesses and our families better off. The third thing we have to do is we've got to make sure that we're competing in education. We've got to invest in science and technology. China had a space launch and a space walk. We've got to make sure that our children are keeping pace in math and in science. And one of the things I think we have to do is make sure that college is affordable for every young person in America. And I also think that we're going to have to rebuild our infrastructure, which is falling behind, our roads, our bridges, but also broadband lines that reach into rural communities. Also, making sure that we have a new electricity grid to get the alternative energy to population centers that are using them. So there are some -- some things that we've got to do structurally to make sure that we can compete in this global economy. We can't shortchange those things. We've got to eliminate programs that don't work, and we've got to make sure that the programs that we do have are more efficient and cost less. ...I believed him AND he delivered,,, wrong topic, sorry Can you please list what he has 'delivered'? and how it has effected you or someone in your life that you know personally? Not just what the media is saying it effected, I'm actually intrested in what people think he has accomplished, and what their proof is of that accomplishment. He delivered massive spending. He spent more in 100 days then President Bush did in 8 years. |
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I think what Obama meant when he promised "hope and change" is that HE HOPED he would win the election, and planned on putting 'change' in his own pocket. I think it was more we (the people) "Hoped" things would "Change." Turned out to be same sh** different day. That's why I'm voting Libertarian this fall. |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, There are far more Law Enforcement Officers that supprt the Law then oppose it, and the ones who oppose it don't like it because they are the lazy ones who don't want to do the extra work to verify, then all the paperwork and transport when they discover that they are illegal. |
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I think what Obama meant when he promised "hope and change" is that HE HOPED he would win the election, and planned on putting 'change' in his own pocket. I think it was more we (the people) "Hoped" things would "Change." Turned out to be same sh** different day. That's why I'm voting Libertarian this fall. |
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I think what Obama meant when he promised "hope and change" is that HE HOPED he would win the election, and planned on putting 'change' in his own pocket. I think it was more we (the people) "Hoped" things would "Change." Turned out to be same sh** different day. That's why I'm voting Libertarian this fall. And that is a vote for Obama. |
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Isaac_dede, I think you are clearly missing the point. It takes a lot more than two years for initiatives to be felt by the population. What part of this can't you grasp? The legacy left by the last four administrations are not going to be fixed overnight. High school economics will teach you at least that much. that blame the old perz is old, now your going back 16 years... enough is enough, if he can't stand up and do what is needed, we don't need him. i can't imagine how you think that clinton has anything to do with what is happening now, much less George sr. this is now, and obama is failing, and you still wanna put it on past presidents. wake up, if he is doing nothing, then nothing is going to happen. If you go to a doctor with a broken leg , and you dont get up and walk the NEXT day,, did he fail? I think the two scariest things about mainstream america are its bloodlust and its impatience i don't blame the last 4 doctors for the broken leg... but you dont blame the doctor either,,,unless the leg doesnt heal over a REASONABLE period of time reasonable can mean different things to different people... it's reasonable to have the laws obeyed, i have to, but non citizens don't. thats not reasonable. the hell with obama, he lost any support i would have for him. have you read ANY of the statements from police themselves who are opposing? have you lost respect for them too? you cant see ANY validity to any of the opposing arguments? ,,,thats surprising Im sorry, I know if Im lying in a gutter dying , I dont want to worry about whether the person who just passed is going to bother to call the police for fear of being deported,,,,this type of bill does more harm than good the law, as it is written, permits officers to check status of anyone STOPPEED, DETAINED, OR ARRESTED detained can refer to passengers in a car that is stopped or residents in a building that is being searched or a witness who is being questioned,,,,,,,, i have no problem with that... why do you? because it is using a sword where a scalpel is needed as I have stated before, it is overkill to start using fear tactics and succumb to some police state where people have to carry ID at all times for all reasons,,,,, in any situation where someone is being ARRESTED, I would agree, but to give police power to randomly select who has to carry id and who doesnt,, doesnt sit well with me at all,,,,,, i carry mine everywhere... and if i don't, i should be taken in and seen who i am. Every shoplifter I caught, if they didn't have identification it was an automatic refferal to the police and every single time that would earn them a ticket to jail to verify who they are. |
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personaly....i lost respect for cops when i was about 8.
cant stand them. |
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personaly....i lost respect for cops when i was about 8. cant stand them. I have a lot of respect for them. I come from a family of Law Enforcement Officers and Fire Fighters. Also doing Loss Prevention for the length of time I did really showed me what these guys go through on a daily basis and only made me respect them more. |
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personaly....i lost respect for cops when i was about 8. cant stand them. I have a lot of respect for them. I come from a family of Law Enforcement Officers and Fire Fighters. Also doing Loss Prevention for the length of time I did really showed me what these guys go through on a daily basis and only made me respect them more. |
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personaly....i lost respect for cops when i was about 8. cant stand them. I have a lot of respect for them. I come from a family of Law Enforcement Officers and Fire Fighters. Also doing Loss Prevention for the length of time I did really showed me what these guys go through on a daily basis and only made me respect them more. Actually very few are, and they tend to not make it very fasr after their training. |
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personaly....i lost respect for cops when i was about 8. cant stand them. I have a lot of respect for them. I come from a family of Law Enforcement Officers and Fire Fighters. Also doing Loss Prevention for the length of time I did really showed me what these guys go through on a daily basis and only made me respect them more. Actually very few are, and they tend to not make it very far after their training.  ........
ok...whatever....
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personaly....i lost respect for cops when i was about 8. cant stand them. I have a lot of respect for them. I come from a family of Law Enforcement Officers and Fire Fighters. Also doing Loss Prevention for the length of time I did really showed me what these guys go through on a daily basis and only made me respect them more. Actually very few are, and they tend to not make it very far after their training. ........
ok...whatever....
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