Topic: Biden Calls Custard Shop Manager a 'Smartass'
msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:30 AM



Vice President Biden called the manager of a custard shop outside of Milwaukee, Wis., a "smartass" after the man asked him to lower taxes.

Biden made the comment Friday after the Kopp’s Frozen Custard shop manager told him that his dessert would be on the house if he lowered taxes.

"What do we owe you?" Biden is heard saying in footage captured by WISN-TV
.

"Don’t worry, it’s on us," the manager replied. "Lower our taxes and we’ll call it [the custard] even."

"Why don’t you say something nice instead of being a smartass all the time?" Biden said a few minutes later.

Biden had walked in to Kopp’s mistakenly asking for ice cream instead of custard.

The manager said later in an interview with WISN that he thought Biden didn’t seem happy initially about the taxes comment, but that the vice president later whispered that he was just kidding.

Biden was in Wisconsin to hit the campaign trail with Democratic Senator Russ Feingold. Just days earlier, the vice president told a crowd of Feingold’s supporters gathered at a fund-raising event that "there’s no possibility to restore the 8 million jobs lost in the Great Recession."

He then added that he and the current administration "inherited a god-awful mess."

After he wraps up his time with Feingold, Biden will visit the Gulf Coast on Tuesday to survey the damage caused by the BP oil spill.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/27/biden-calls-custard-shop-manager-smartass-taxes-comment/

laugh You can't let this guy out in public without handlers. He's the gaff that keeps on gaffing! laugh



Neither vp candidate was really known for their great 'natural' speaking abilities,,lol

yeah,, Biden does need to work on thinking about what he says before he says it,,,,,


Really? Cheney and Gore were both really good in that department. So was Ford. So was Bush Sr.



I was referring to the vp candidates in the most RECENT election

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:31 AM

It sounds to me like the guy was being a smartass. Personally, I think it's refreshing to hear a politician say it like it is. Lighten up people, it's not like this gaffe was about policy, it was about custard. What kind of fool argues over an icy treat?



lol, I agree, I wasnt referring to that comment, I was more concerned with the comment about eight million jobs,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:42 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/28/10 12:43 AM



Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 08:20 AM




Vice President Biden called the manager of a custard shop outside of Milwaukee, Wis., a "smartass" after the man asked him to lower taxes.

Biden made the comment Friday after the Kopp’s Frozen Custard shop manager told him that his dessert would be on the house if he lowered taxes.

"What do we owe you?" Biden is heard saying in footage captured by WISN-TV
.

"Don’t worry, it’s on us," the manager replied. "Lower our taxes and we’ll call it [the custard] even."

"Why don’t you say something nice instead of being a smartass all the time?" Biden said a few minutes later.

Biden had walked in to Kopp’s mistakenly asking for ice cream instead of custard.

The manager said later in an interview with WISN that he thought Biden didn’t seem happy initially about the taxes comment, but that the vice president later whispered that he was just kidding.

Biden was in Wisconsin to hit the campaign trail with Democratic Senator Russ Feingold. Just days earlier, the vice president told a crowd of Feingold’s supporters gathered at a fund-raising event that "there’s no possibility to restore the 8 million jobs lost in the Great Recession."

He then added that he and the current administration "inherited a god-awful mess."

After he wraps up his time with Feingold, Biden will visit the Gulf Coast on Tuesday to survey the damage caused by the BP oil spill.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/27/biden-calls-custard-shop-manager-smartass-taxes-comment/

laugh You can't let this guy out in public without handlers. He's the gaff that keeps on gaffing! laugh



Neither vp candidate was really known for their great 'natural' speaking abilities,,lol

yeah,, Biden does need to work on thinking about what he says before he says it,,,,,


Really? Cheney and Gore were both really good in that department. So was Ford. So was Bush Sr.



I was referring to the vp candidates in the most RECENT election


I know, I realized that after the post and re did it.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 08:21 AM

It sounds to me like the guy was being a smartass. Personally, I think it's refreshing to hear a politician say it like it is. Lighten up people, it's not like this gaffe was about policy, it was about custard. What kind of fool argues over an icy treat?


What kind of fool argues over an Icy Treat? Apparently Joe Biden.

DrRob's photo
Mon 06/28/10 08:27 AM

well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


so well said,and exactly how i felt,and feel.
Ms Harmony,tis a pleasure to read your posts.drinker

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 11:27 AM





Vice President Biden called the manager of a custard shop outside of Milwaukee, Wis., a "smartass" after the man asked him to lower taxes.

Biden made the comment Friday after the Kopp’s Frozen Custard shop manager told him that his dessert would be on the house if he lowered taxes.

"What do we owe you?" Biden is heard saying in footage captured by WISN-TV
.

"Don’t worry, it’s on us," the manager replied. "Lower our taxes and we’ll call it [the custard] even."

"Why don’t you say something nice instead of being a smartass all the time?" Biden said a few minutes later.

Biden had walked in to Kopp’s mistakenly asking for ice cream instead of custard.

The manager said later in an interview with WISN that he thought Biden didn’t seem happy initially about the taxes comment, but that the vice president later whispered that he was just kidding.

Biden was in Wisconsin to hit the campaign trail with Democratic Senator Russ Feingold. Just days earlier, the vice president told a crowd of Feingold’s supporters gathered at a fund-raising event that "there’s no possibility to restore the 8 million jobs lost in the Great Recession."

He then added that he and the current administration "inherited a god-awful mess."

After he wraps up his time with Feingold, Biden will visit the Gulf Coast on Tuesday to survey the damage caused by the BP oil spill.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/27/biden-calls-custard-shop-manager-smartass-taxes-comment/

laugh You can't let this guy out in public without handlers. He's the gaff that keeps on gaffing! laugh



Neither vp candidate was really known for their great 'natural' speaking abilities,,lol

yeah,, Biden does need to work on thinking about what he says before he says it,,,,,


Really? Cheney and Gore were both really good in that department. So was Ford. So was Bush Sr.



I was referring to the vp candidates in the most RECENT election


I know, I realized that after the post and re did it.


kewl beans,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 11:28 AM


well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


so well said,and exactly how i felt,and feel.
Ms Harmony,tis a pleasure to read your posts.drinker


thank you

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 11:34 AM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 06/28/10 11:35 AM




Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 11:43 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/28/10 11:53 AM





Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.



well, McCain began his (political )career in the HOR in 1983 when he would have been 47 and OBama began his in the Illinois state senate in 1997 when he would have been 36. Being that there is a 25 year age difference, I would expect a gap between actual years of experience...but my vote was more than the years of experience(or the elder candidate would automatically win, regardless of their positions,,which isnt logical to me)

actually, several times in my post I mentioned that I was aware of his military service, but that military service was NOT my focus or priority requirement for a president. The President is at the head of our government and therefore going to be tied to MANY areas,, not just military issues(for which a vet would be prime material), not just economic issues (for which an accountant would be prime material), not just educational issues (for which a teacher would be prime material), not just healthcare issues (for which a doctor would be prime material)..etc..

so , until we have a candidate who has been a doctor/accountat/vet/teacher,,, I have to vote for the candidate who most closely represents the TYPE of attitude and leadership I want in regards to ALL those different types of issues. I read the history of both men, I read where they stood on the issues, I read what their experience was ,, and I was more in agreement with the style and positions of OBama than I was with those of McCain.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:43 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 06/28/10 12:46 PM






Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.



well, McCain began his (political )career in the HOR in 1983 when he would have been 47 and OBama began his in the Illinois state senate in 1997 when he would have been 36. Being that there is a 25 year age difference, I would expect a gap between actual years of experience...but my vote was more than the years of experience(or the elder candidate would automatically win, regardless of their positions,,which isnt logical to me)

actually, several times in my post I mentioned that I was aware of his military service, but that military service was NOT my focus or priority requirement for a president. The President is at the head of our government and therefore going to be tied to MANY areas,, not just military issues(for which a vet would be prime material), not just economic issues (for which an accountant would be prime material), not just educational issues (for which a teacher would be prime material), not just healthcare issues (for which a doctor would be prime material)..etc..

so , until we have a candidate who has been a doctor/accountat/vet/teacher,,, I have to vote for the candidate who most closely represents the TYPE of attitude and leadership I want in regards to ALL those different types of issues. I read the history of both men, I read where they stood on the issues, I read what their experience was ,, and I was more in agreement with the style and positions of OBama than I was with those of McCain.


Actually McCain attended the National War College, assumed command of the Navy's largest attack and training squadron and then became the Military Liason to the Senate in the 70's.

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:46 PM







Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.



well, McCain began his (political )career in the HOR in 1983 when he would have been 47 and OBama began his in the Illinois state senate in 1997 when he would have been 36. Being that there is a 25 year age difference, I would expect a gap between actual years of experience...but my vote was more than the years of experience(or the elder candidate would automatically win, regardless of their positions,,which isnt logical to me)

actually, several times in my post I mentioned that I was aware of his military service, but that military service was NOT my focus or priority requirement for a president. The President is at the head of our government and therefore going to be tied to MANY areas,, not just military issues(for which a vet would be prime material), not just economic issues (for which an accountant would be prime material), not just educational issues (for which a teacher would be prime material), not just healthcare issues (for which a doctor would be prime material)..etc..

so , until we have a candidate who has been a doctor/accountat/vet/teacher,,, I have to vote for the candidate who most closely represents the TYPE of attitude and leadership I want in regards to ALL those different types of issues. I read the history of both men, I read where they stood on the issues, I read what their experience was ,, and I was more in agreement with the style and positions of OBama than I was with those of McCain.


Actually McCain attended the War College then became the Military Liason to the Senate in the 70's.



I stand corrected, although I consider that more military experience than political...

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Mon 06/28/10 12:48 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 06/28/10 12:48 PM








Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.



well, McCain began his (political )career in the HOR in 1983 when he would have been 47 and OBama began his in the Illinois state senate in 1997 when he would have been 36. Being that there is a 25 year age difference, I would expect a gap between actual years of experience...but my vote was more than the years of experience(or the elder candidate would automatically win, regardless of their positions,,which isnt logical to me)

actually, several times in my post I mentioned that I was aware of his military service, but that military service was NOT my focus or priority requirement for a president. The President is at the head of our government and therefore going to be tied to MANY areas,, not just military issues(for which a vet would be prime material), not just economic issues (for which an accountant would be prime material), not just educational issues (for which a teacher would be prime material), not just healthcare issues (for which a doctor would be prime material)..etc..

so , until we have a candidate who has been a doctor/accountat/vet/teacher,,, I have to vote for the candidate who most closely represents the TYPE of attitude and leadership I want in regards to ALL those different types of issues. I read the history of both men, I read where they stood on the issues, I read what their experience was ,, and I was more in agreement with the style and positions of OBama than I was with those of McCain.


Actually McCain attended the War College then became the Military Liason to the Senate in the 70's.



I stand corrected, although I consider that more military experience than political...


That was considered by many sources his entry into the world of politics. It is just as political as it is Military. He helped Senators author bills, including one for a new Super Carrier against the Carter Administration's wishes.

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:50 PM









Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.



well, McCain began his (political )career in the HOR in 1983 when he would have been 47 and OBama began his in the Illinois state senate in 1997 when he would have been 36. Being that there is a 25 year age difference, I would expect a gap between actual years of experience...but my vote was more than the years of experience(or the elder candidate would automatically win, regardless of their positions,,which isnt logical to me)

actually, several times in my post I mentioned that I was aware of his military service, but that military service was NOT my focus or priority requirement for a president. The President is at the head of our government and therefore going to be tied to MANY areas,, not just military issues(for which a vet would be prime material), not just economic issues (for which an accountant would be prime material), not just educational issues (for which a teacher would be prime material), not just healthcare issues (for which a doctor would be prime material)..etc..

so , until we have a candidate who has been a doctor/accountat/vet/teacher,,, I have to vote for the candidate who most closely represents the TYPE of attitude and leadership I want in regards to ALL those different types of issues. I read the history of both men, I read where they stood on the issues, I read what their experience was ,, and I was more in agreement with the style and positions of OBama than I was with those of McCain.


Actually McCain attended the War College then became the Military Liason to the Senate in the 70's.



I stand corrected, although I consider that more military experience than political...


That was considered by many sources his entry into the world of politics. It is just as political as it is Military. He helped Senators author bills, including one for a new Super Carrier against the Carter Administration's wishes.


I understand that point of view, I just disagree. His military experience allowed him to be a consult on military issues,,,,but I consider political service to cover a BROAD range of issues , not a specialized area.

Mine is just one point of view though.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:51 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 06/28/10 12:53 PM
Not to mention that the only Executive experience on the campaign ticket at all was Governor Palin.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:52 PM










Money and position can't buy class ...



finally, something we agree upon


except it can buy the APPEARANCE/IMAGE of class

and image is as good as gold in our culture


Yep. Just look what an " image " did for Obama.

He didn't even have to say anything of any substance to get elected President.

The media handed America an " image " and they just lapped it up because he was " Such a GREAT speaker ( even though he just read from a teleprompter something someone else had written FOR him ) " and promised " Hope and Change " ( My GOODNESS but isn't he GREAT?!?!? * insert girlish squeals of delight * )and he's gonna beat up all those mean and evil " rich people " ( whoops...he MEANT the Middle Class ) "

I mean, my gawd. If people had actually been paying ATTENTION to what he WASN'T actually saying, rather than getting sucked in by an image, they might, just MIGHT ( although the recent elections in a certain state seem to indicate otherwise ) have realized that Obama simply wasn't, and ISN'T the right man to be President.

So..MsHarmony....how long do you think it's gonna be until the " Great Man " puts on his big boy pants and starts taking some responsibility for what is currently happening? How long do you think it's going to take him to " man up " and stop blaming a previous administration?

When are we going to hear him say something OTHER than " I inherited..."

And.....when he gets his *** voted out....are you going to give the NEXT President ( in all probability a Republican or at least a Conservative ) the same pass for failure that you are so willing to hand out for Obama?




well, as I have stated before, I did vote based upon what I HEARD and SAW and READ about the candidates. I didnt see much real life experience from McCain besides as a military man, and if I were in the military maybe that would be my priority and he would have the upper hand. In OBama, I saw someone who worked his way up, with no real connections, someone who would have been more likely to have HAD to work for what he got. That gave him a bit of an upper hand with me because I am someone who lives that same experience.

I also listened to the debates, and I preferred his diplomatic and logic based style compared to McCains I have been a vet so I can keep you safe style. OBama seemed to answer to a broader range of issues with more of the style of leadership I prefer(diplomatic and preferring peace over bullying and keeping enemies). I also MOSTLY saw from McCains camp praise for his military service, which is great,, but not being in the military myself, not something I could put my focus on. I was much more interested in things like the economy, healthcare, education, the environment and international relations,,,issues on which McCain seemed to either take a detached stand on or an us vs them stance,,.

I also voted Obama, because once McCain chose Palin,, I could NOT see risking even slightly the possibility that she would be at the head.

The truth is, much of what needs fixing was not CAUSED by him or his administration, and so it is fair and honest for him to claim he inherited it. The truth is, he stated from the beginning that it would not be an easy or overnight thing. The truth is , he united the country for a long while in a way I dont think McCain could have. All these things made me proud to vote for him then and still proud that I voted for him. He wont be perfect or FIX everything,, but I am proud when I hear him speak with logic and integrity and I am proud that he is staying his course to tackle issues that are difficult and important and make decisions that are not based in winning a popularity contest but in doing what he, as a leader, sees as heading us in a more positive direction.


You didn't see someone who worked in or with congress since the 70's? Someone with REAL experience. Someone who faught for his country, got captured and tortured for 5 1/2 years? Someone who actually served in war and understands not only how war works but how the military works when we are in the middle of two wars and VERY close to and additional two.

People voted in someone with NO experience other then a brief stint as a State Senator(in the most corrupt State Government in the country none the less) then on to a US Senator (which most of the time he spent campaigning). Not to mention NO military experience.



well, McCain began his (political )career in the HOR in 1983 when he would have been 47 and OBama began his in the Illinois state senate in 1997 when he would have been 36. Being that there is a 25 year age difference, I would expect a gap between actual years of experience...but my vote was more than the years of experience(or the elder candidate would automatically win, regardless of their positions,,which isnt logical to me)

actually, several times in my post I mentioned that I was aware of his military service, but that military service was NOT my focus or priority requirement for a president. The President is at the head of our government and therefore going to be tied to MANY areas,, not just military issues(for which a vet would be prime material), not just economic issues (for which an accountant would be prime material), not just educational issues (for which a teacher would be prime material), not just healthcare issues (for which a doctor would be prime material)..etc..

so , until we have a candidate who has been a doctor/accountat/vet/teacher,,, I have to vote for the candidate who most closely represents the TYPE of attitude and leadership I want in regards to ALL those different types of issues. I read the history of both men, I read where they stood on the issues, I read what their experience was ,, and I was more in agreement with the style and positions of OBama than I was with those of McCain.


Actually McCain attended the War College then became the Military Liason to the Senate in the 70's.



I stand corrected, although I consider that more military experience than political...


That was considered by many sources his entry into the world of politics. It is just as political as it is Military. He helped Senators author bills, including one for a new Super Carrier against the Carter Administration's wishes.


I understand that point of view, I just disagree. His military experience allowed him to be a consult on military issues,,,,but I consider political service to cover a BROAD range of issues , not a specialized area.

Mine is just one point of view though.


Mine is just a point of view as well, but still he was there at the Capitol helping to author bills, that is experience in the Senate.

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/28/10 12:54 PM
sure looks good on a resume too

I will be going down as contributing to several issues that I have signed support on through email petitions as well,,,

Lpdon's photo
Mon 06/28/10 10:11 PM

sure looks good on a resume too

I will be going down as contributing to several issues that I have signed support on through email petitions as well,,,


That's not the same as getting out there and actually doing it.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/29/10 12:13 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 06/29/10 12:25 AM

Not to mention that the only Executive experience on the campaign ticket at all was Governor Palin.


i am misunderstanding your use of executive,,might you expand on that? are you referring to the less than two years she spent governing Alaska before her VP campaign?

Lpdon's photo
Tue 06/29/10 10:00 AM


Not to mention that the only Executive experience on the campaign ticket at all was Governor Palin.


i am misunderstanding your use of executive,,might you expand on that? are you referring to the less than two years she spent governing Alaska before her VP campaign?


Executive Experience. Ok Government lesson here Executive Branch=Prsident's VP's Governor's and LT. Governors, Leglaslative=Congressmen, Senators, Assemblymen, State Senators and Judicial=Supreme Court and State Supreme Court. Palin had executive experience under her belt. Ans you really wanna talk about the length of time as Governor?

How about the length of time Obama was a Senator? You realize that he announced to run for president after being elected to the senate!