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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. |
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Honestly, I can't even believe this thread is a three page argument. There should be no argument at all. The guy was in the wrong. You don't touch another person. Someone mentioned above, if this **** did this at work to coworker or customer, he would be fired instantly, and most likely sued. Also, the dude would be equally angry if someone did the same thing to his mother/sister/aunt/wife or girlfriend. Come on people.
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 I wanna b!tchslap all of yas!
 I think there's enough violence going on here already....
why would we want more...golly sakes 
NOW I'm getting all   HOT!
 Bring the thumb clamps Babe!
Thumb clamps, I was thinking more along the lines of the fur lined hand cuffs... 
....and as the sadist and masochist reach their "Honeymoon Suite" ....The masochist says " ok, now hUrT mE"
...The sadist says  ............ "NO!"
..with all the promotion of violence in this thread, Holy chit..the honeymoon suite doesn't sound so bad, even if it's with a couple of freaks. |
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Honestly, I can't even believe this thread is a three page argument. There should be no argument at all. The guy was in the wrong. You don't touch another person. Someone mentioned above, if this **** did this at work to coworker or customer, he would be fired instantly, and most likely sued. Also, the dude would be equally angry if someone did the same thing to his mother/sister/aunt/wife or girlfriend. Come on people. I dont think most are debating if the guy was wrong, I think the debate is actually about if the girl was wrong too I believe they were both wrong and some are thinking the girl was not,,, |
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. |
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. yeah, in Ohio and in Georgia and in California,, I have gone places and seen people kicked out,, no police necessary it could be regional though |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Sun 06/06/10 02:26 AM
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. I understand what you're saying, just don't fully agree with it. Maybe I'm a little biased, as I think the law tends to abuse it's power a bit much anymore, and also feel we rely on it more then we should, but again that's just how I see it. |
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I wanna b!tchslap all of yas!
I think there's enough violence going on here already....
why would we want more...golly sakes
NOW I'm getting all HOT!
Bring the thumb clamps Babe!
Thumb clamps, I was thinking more along the lines of the fur lined hand cuffs...
....and as the sadist and masochist reach their "Honeymoon Suite" ....The masochist says " ok, now hUrT mE"
...The sadist says ............ "NO!"
..with all the promotion of violence in this thread, Holy chit..the honeymoon suite doesn't sound so bad, even if it's with a couple of freaks. Hope to freak multiple times!! .......now slap me like I was Clark Gable after a sexist comment!
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. I understand what you're saying, just don't fully agree. Maybe I'm a little biased, as I think the law tends to abuse it's power a bit much anymore, and also feel we rely on it more then we should, but again that's just how I see it. This isn't about law. This isn't about police. Of course police abuse their power. Every damn day. This is about a guy who thinks he can get away with touching a stranger however he pleases. If you agree that that's okay, then you also have problems, young man. |
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. I understand what you're saying, just don't fully agree. Maybe I'm a little biased, as I think the law tends to abuse it's power a bit much anymore, and also feel we rely on it more then we should, but again that's just how I see it. This isn't about law. This isn't about police. Of course police abuse their power. Every damn day. This is about a guy who thinks he can get away with touching a stranger however he pleases. If you agree that that's okay, then you also have problems, young man. Oh no, don't misunderstand me, I am not saying this guy is excused at all for touching the girl. I didn't mean to imply I was ok with it, heck I've been defending the opposite the whole time lol. Just as far as the cops procedure, I'm not all that wild about that that's all. Sorry if I made you think I was ok with the guy touching the girl, cause I'm not at all. |
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. I understand what you're saying, just don't fully agree. Maybe I'm a little biased, as I think the law tends to abuse it's power a bit much anymore, and also feel we rely on it more then we should, but again that's just how I see it. This isn't about law. This isn't about police. Of course police abuse their power. Every damn day. This is about a guy who thinks he can get away with touching a stranger however he pleases. If you agree that that's okay, then you also have problems, young man. Oh no, don't misunderstand me, I am not saying this guy is excused at all for touching the girl. I didn't mean to imply I was ok with it, heck I've been defending the opposite the whole time lol. Just as far as the cops procedure, I'm not all that wild about that that's all. Sorry if I made you think I was ok with the guy touching the girl, cause I'm not at all. I'm not going to stay awake any longer and be more upset by any of this, so I'll leave you all with this to read... Namely, this point... "The victim does not have to be the person directly harassed but can be anyone who finds the behavior offensive and is affected by it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment |
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Just had a thought as to the proof of what happened or didn't. Instead of making a knee jerk reaction that she was causing trouble, why not ask those who were in the area if she was telling the truth? They'd have seen what happened and would be able to back up or refute her claims. That would easily take care of who did what right there. Typical bar procedure is calling the police if someone is struck. Both parties can give their stories to the police. Usually both parties are booted from the premise and 911 is called. This douche, let the dude who was disrespectful stay AND bought him a drink. I don't even know how he has the job that he does. Indeed. As for the cops part, I think for a case like this having them get involved is a little much, but then I'm not exactly the biggest fans of em at times to begin with. That's a whole other topic though, Bottom line is, in this instance not sure you need to get them involved, but that's just me. Where I work, we are required to call the cops if we as much as kick someone out of the bar. They will ask on the phone if we need an officer sent over, but most of the time it's not necessary. If someone is injured, then yes, police should be informed. It's not up to the "door guy" or "club promoter" who probably hates girls because he never gets laid to buy the sexual harasser a congratulatory drink. I understand what you're saying, just don't fully agree. Maybe I'm a little biased, as I think the law tends to abuse it's power a bit much anymore, and also feel we rely on it more then we should, but again that's just how I see it. This isn't about law. This isn't about police. Of course police abuse their power. Every damn day. This is about a guy who thinks he can get away with touching a stranger however he pleases. If you agree that that's okay, then you also have problems, young man. Oh no, don't misunderstand me, I am not saying this guy is excused at all for touching the girl. I didn't mean to imply I was ok with it, heck I've been defending the opposite the whole time lol. Just as far as the cops procedure, I'm not all that wild about that that's all. Sorry if I made you think I was ok with the guy touching the girl, cause I'm not at all. I'm not going to stay awake any longer and be more upset by any of this, so I'll leave you all with this to read... Namely, this point... "The victim does not have to be the person directly harassed but can be anyone who finds the behavior offensive and is affected by it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment what you are posting has to do with sexual harassment which is an offense pertaining to workplace at a bar , you may have an assault charge, but it would still need to be brought about by the PERSON assaulted, not their friend in the case of self defense,, the victim does have to be defending themself you cannot strike someone because they do something you find offensive,,it doesnt work that way |
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I agree she has the right to defend herself if that were the case..it's hard to tell at times when dealing with drunks. However, all involved should have had to go if that is the rule..to let him stay just because she pissed you off was inappropriate on your part. Even more so if he had done what she said he did. Since you weren't sure... it was a bad call and he was allowed to possibly continue that behavior throughout the night with others. I tended bar for 8 years...so I get the drunk thing, the way people can get and I've seen tough guys and tough girls. I learned how to deal with such people and had the fat end of a cue stick behind the bar with me. I only pulled it out if talking wasn't working, and luckily only ever had to use it once. To say to her what you did only fuels the anger, especially when dealing with drunk people. If this is your profession, it seems maybe you need more training. The way you told this it sounds like you were enjoying the power position you were in. People who get off on being in power over others..well frankly are just as scary as mean drunks. Dammit woman I knew I liked ya for a reason
First of all I totally agree with this one all the way, could be cause I was a bartender for 10 years at one time.......I can not say how many guys/gals I threw out of the bar over the years. But I assure ya I never had to do it with force. First place are you going to say that if a guy came and groped your azz would go get a bouncer  hell no you would deck his ***.
Myself while out waiting tables one night due to short waitress and I came in on my off night. Had a guy grab my *** as I walked by did I get a bouncer hummm heck no I turned before even thinking and slapped him right across the face....did he deserve it hell yeah he did not his to touch.... But........regardless you were wrong for letting the guy stay maybe he did not deserved what he got to that extreme. But it happen ...if you had handled it right and made the guy leave and just explained in a better way that the girls could come back another night and maybe a few freebie drinks for them then due to the rules are ya fight ya leave for the night..........I almost bet things would not have gotten that bad...
What should have happened is both parties should have been asked to go outside in order to clear things up. In the mean time bouncers & bartenders normally have a code they exchange to call the Police. Which should have been done that way all parties involved are taken outside where there is no more conflict within the bar. The cops show up and let it go from there........... You don't ever let the one that started it stay in the bar and give him a pat on the back and another drink shshsh
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Edited by
Ladylid2012
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I just re read this thread..I'm blown away.
The op brags about his martial arts ability and taking a female down, tells her 'you wanna play with men b!tch'...not only allows the alleged azz grabber to stay but buys him a drink.. then posts such as... Great, I like to see a chick taken down when acting that way just because it's a girl doesn't make any difference having a stranger grab your azz is a compliment no harm done, he just grabbed a womans azz there was no need for this woman to react by hitting him WHAT THE F * ck?????? The op is a promoter, not a bouncer...I tended bar for 8 years, long ago. There is a way to handle such situations, rule number one is you never intentionally piss the drunk off with such comments as his to her...all those involved should have had to leave the bar, not just one side. This guy needs some more training or another job!! For those who think it's cool to see a woman get what she "deserves"..I wonder how you would feel if it were your sister, mother, daughter..perhaps yourself who got drunk and stupid one night and thumped a guy and it was one who choose to give you what you, your mom, kid, sis..whoever, "deserved" I have sons so I'm around girls from 16 up to 30 years old. I know many young women who think it's funny as hell when a dude hits some b!tch back..but when they do it it's all justified.."he deserved it, I can't believe he hit me"...wha, wha. Funny when it's some one else. Yeah, hilarious. Sorry if this busts your bubble gals but when a stranger grabs your azz it's NOT a compliment and it doesn't mean he thinks your hot. If you think he wants you and your all hot and shiit because he did that...it's time to get some help with your self esteem issues. She was over-reacting huh?? Well, who knows if your standing there, again with your sister, mother, daughter...whoever, and a stranger grabs their azz, what would ya do? Yell, walk away, cry, knee jerk reaction and punch him....hell, I'm a pacifist and I think I just may have popped him one! A reminder for me why I drink 6 glasses of wine a year. I can't handle booze..I'm aware. If ya can handle it, then by all means drink responsibly. This is another one of those times when I'm really proud of my sons..they know better than to hit a woman..even if she "deserves" it! So easy to judge...when it's YOU or YOURS it sure changes things though doesn't it.....good gawd, lets attempt to stay human!!! |
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Funny thing is I still drink and yeah when I do at times I grow 10ft tall. But...........I have never started a fight nor argument in a bar....I assure ya even at 5'1 I can hold my own with the words with anyone and will.
I have seen guys grab girls between the legs thinking it was funny or with the comment she asked for it. Ohhhhhhhhhh come on and if the girl hauled off and slapped the crap out of him that is what he gets for grabbing her the problem with this guy is he just went up against the wrong woman thinking he could get away with it. Then he has the club back him up that it's okay if ya grab azz in here for we will even buy you a drink if ya do..... First of all like I said both parties should have been taken outside immediately, cops called if the guys nose was broke the very last thing he needed was another drink........ The cops would have got him to the hospital if needed then he would have been escorted to jail.........sure the cops would have had a good laugh knowing he finally put his hands in the wrong place once too many times...
Believe me that was not the first time that guy had done that just the first time he got something in return...........
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I wanna b!tchslap all of yas!
I think there's enough violence going on here already....
why would we want more...golly sakes
NOW I'm getting all HOT!
Bring the thumb clamps Babe!
Thumb clamps, I was thinking more along the lines of the fur lined hand cuffs...
....and as the sadist and masochist reach their "Honeymoon Suite" ....The masochist says " ok, now hUrT mE"
...The sadist says ............ "NO!"
..with all the promotion of violence in this thread, Holy chit..the honeymoon suite doesn't sound so bad, even if it's with a couple of freaks. Hope to freak multiple times!! .......now slap me like I was Clark Gable after a sexist comment!
I happen to like multiples myself, so in regards to your comment... Frankly Joel, I don't give a damn!!!
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The Clark Gable line made reading all four pages of this worthwhile.
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The Clark Gable line made reading all four pages of this worthwhile. 
Awesome, as long as it was worth it. It's beachfarmer's fault I left the rant above. I had to come back in and post to his silly-ness.. and see all the garbage. |
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She wasn't the one who was being assulted. The other girl was and should have defended herself. Friends do crazy things for their friends but she still had no right to do what she did. As did you two wrongs don't make a right and by giving that guy a free drink you have told him he can get away with more than just unwanted touching to any girls. As much as I don't agree with you choking that girl I also understand that you defended youself. There was probably a better way to handle things but you can't change what happened.
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I said, "Look, we,ve got a strict rule on this shi*. You fight, you're out. Your'e welcome to come back in the future, but tonight you're out." The chick exploded when she heard this. "I guess it's ok for a women to be assaulted in this club. I guess we should stand around and do nothing. " |
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