Think every state needs to get tough on illegals run em out!

Weren't we all illegal at one point?

Not trying to justify it or anything, but honestly, **** like this is only scaring people away from this country.

My great grand parents had papers when they arrived. There is such a thing as getting a visa while they are here. Oh but that means they have to legitimize themselves.

We needed immigration reform and enforcement for a long time. maybe it is time we did close our boarders for awhile so we can get a handle on the mess we are in! Besides, How many people should we pack in our country? 2 Billion maybe? How about 3 Billion? our land is Finite and so is land's capacity to produce. Even the sea is being over taxed as it is now!

Time other countries started cleaning up their own acts! Less whining and in fighting would do them a lot of favors as well. We need to stop being the toilet of the world!

Mexico does a great job of keeping illegals out of their country.
They deport them. Those who can't pay for their deportation are worked til they earn enough credits to get deported. Some have family that will buy their freedom and others are robbed and killed.

Maybe, we could learn a lot from the way Mexico handles their Illegal Immigrant problem.

PS
That's one of the protests the Teabaggers make. I support their movement. Maybe more recruits will help convince the Feds that, We don't like it and we ain't gonna' take them not protecting American interests here.

As a conservative, I was so pissed off by Bush's habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth regarding illegals and immigration it wasn't funny. Remember how, after 9/11, Bush kept telling us over and over and over that we live in a dangerous world and that people who hate us are out to do us harm and that we needed to be on our guard to prevent that ... ? BUT: In the seven YEARS that followed 9/11, not ONCE did he make a serious move to close or defend our Southern border. I wrote his office repeatedly to ask when he planned to do something about the clear and present danger an open and unsecured border posed and never received a response. Not ONE response. We know how good a job he did because it's being followed up on by the policies of 'The ONE'. We are so screwed it ain't funny. Illegal immigration is NOT happening by accident. Nothing in politics happens by accident. This is by design - and both 'parties' are responsible for it.

Amen, Bro!!
Does NAU and SPP ring any bells? Hussein even met in Mexico with Calderon and that Canook PM.
Very little coverage on it.

I'm speechless!

NAU, SPP, NASCO Corridor, etc etc ... they all mean the same thing: Grab your ankles and assume the position. C'mon, November ...

Considering it is a racist law that sets this country back in time to the good ole racists days, no thanks.

We need to get smarter not stupider.

Reform? We actually have pretty good immigration laws on the books;

Virtually none of which are being enforced.

Making new laws is not the answer. Enforcing the existing laws is, at least, part of the answer.

And as a side note, allowing a group of people to ignore the law while requiring the citizens to obey the laws of the land is the type of double standard which caused the "equal rights" amendment to be adopted.

In recent Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims he stated:

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status.

In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."

Ignoring the "minor crime" such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

* In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
* There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
* 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
* Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
* In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
* At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..

# 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
# Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
# Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
# Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
# Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
# There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
# Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
# Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
# In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
# Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
# The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
# The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Here we go with the non substantiated made up statistics designed to make people believe that illegals are a bunch of evil people.

Sad people keep believing this garbage.

It has been proven wrong on these very forums many times already.

Time to man-up and prove where those stats have been proven wrong.

Odd.

I don't see much on that list that couldn't be pretty easily substantiated.

The congressional testimony is a matter of record, sworn testimony, and made by a state official in charge of keeping the related statistics in order to solicit funds from the Federal Government to pay back the states for the money they have spent dealing with the crimes of illegal aliens. “CLEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR CRIMINAL ALIEN

REMOVAL ACT OF 2003 (CLEAR ACT)

Lies don't make it go away.

Oh man, not again and again.

It is time for people to do the work themselves.

I already proved this list wrong on too many occasions.

Here is one for consideration but I will not do all the research again into the government statistics to prove the list wrong.

These statistic lists that have circulated are bogus and made by racists for the purpose of creating more hatred.


Fact-check: Illegal immigrants and crime

June
24

A group of people held a press conference in Brewster yesterday to call attention to crimes committed by illegal immigrants and to demand that something be done to enforce the immigration laws.

“While crime is crime and the victims suffer equally whether the perpetrator is a citizen or illegal alien, what makes illegal alien crime so different is that the crime would have never happened if our government was doing its constitutionally mandated duty and enforcing immigration laws,” Ed Kowalski said in a press release from 9/11 Families for a Secure America. “This unequal enforcement of the law also makes it much more difficult on the victim’s families.”

Terry Corcoran has a story in today’s Journal News about the event. In essence, the message was that illegal immigrants are an inherent threat because their identities cannot truly be known. And illegal immigrants are by definition contemptuous of the law, the message goes. “Every illegal is a person who has shown contempt for American law, and every employer of illegals is a co-conspirator in any crime perpetrated by an illegal alien,” Kowalski said in his statement.

“Tomorrow’s terrorist is today’s cab driver,” Peter Gadiel said.

Here I’ll look a couple of statistics mentioned at the press conference, suggesting that illegal immigrants commit more crime than other people. The numbers came from Michael Cutler, who said he’d worked in a number of roles at U.S. immigration agencies.

The first claim: “About 30 percent of the inmate population are identified as being illegal aliens.”

Assemblyman Greg Ball has also made this claim in reference to New York state prisons. The actual percentage of inmates who are identified as illegal aliens in New York is 4 percent, according to state corrections officials. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 6 percent of state and federal inmates are non-U.S. citizens – a group that would include both legal and illegal immigrants. This 2005 report gives further details and percentages. For example, noncitizens accounted for 19 percent of federal inmates. Those federal inmates accounted for just 8 percent of the combined state/federal prison population. Here is the 2007 report, though you have to do the math yourself.

Statistics coming from local jails are not as complete. Eighty-four percent of jails track the numbers of noncitizen inmates, and based on that data, noncitizens accounted for 8 percent of the U.S. jail population in 2007, according to BJS. Again, the 8 percent would include both legal and illegal immigrants.

The “30 percent” figure has been widely circulated, and it comes from a 2005 GAO report that said 27 percent of federal inmates were “criminal aliens.” Again, this is just the federal prison population, and a “criminal alien” can be a legal or illegal immigrant. (In the jargon, a criminal alien is a noncitizen who has been charged with a crime.)

The second claim: “What this really means is that Illegal aliens are about five times as likely to commit a felony as are U.S. citizens and resident aliens.”

Cutler said this calculation is based on the 30 percent figure and the widely accepted estimate that 12 million people in the country are illegal immigrants. Demographer Jeffrey Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center estimates the unauthorized population at 12 million, or 4 percent of the nation’s population.

There have been a number of studies on immigrants and crime. The Public Policy Institute of California examined the incarceration data as a measure of whether immigrants commit more crime than other people. In a 2008 report (click here for the PDF), it found that immigrants are much less likely to be incarcerated than others. It’s difficult to break out the undocumented population, the report said, but it’s possible to compare foreign-born and native-born prisoners with similar education levels and ages.

Because immigrants tend to be young, male and less educated, there would be reason to expect a higher level of criminal activity, not a lower one, the report says. But the foreign-born accounted for 35 percent of California’s adult population and 17 percent of the adult prison population.

The institute looked further: Could the lower incarceration rates be explained by deportation? What about the jail population, which isn’t counted in the prison data? What if you look at only recently-arrived immigrants, or the ones who have accumulated more years here? What if you look at crime rates in individual cities where immigrants are going? What about the children of immigrants? What if you look only at the ones with less than a high school diploma?

The conclusion was that “the foreign-born have low rates of incarceration and institutionalizations, and that these rates hold true across education and region-of-origin subgroups.” The report ends, “In particular, from a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration, to favor entry by high-skilled immigrants, or to increase penalties against criminal immigrants.”

‘Immigrants Bring Crime’ Is a Myth

New America Media, Commentary, Walter Ewing, Posted: Feb 22, 2007 Review it on NewsTrust

Editor’s Note: Government and academic studies prove decisively that the common belief that immigrants, especially undocumented ones, bring criminality is based on a big lie. Walter Ewing is a Research Associate at the Immigration Policy Center. IMMIGRATION MATTERS regularly features the views of the nation's leading immigrant rights advocates.

ice arrestAmong the many troubling aspects of the public debate over immigration is the power of myths over facts. One of the most enduring myths about immigration, despite literally decades of evidence to the contrary, is the belief that immigrants are more likely to commit crime than the native-born.

This myth is so widespread and unquestioned that it has been the catalyst for scores of local governments to consider anti-immigrant ordinances over the past year. These calls to crack down on undocumented immigrants, the employers who hire them and the landlords who rent to them, are framed in part as “anti-crime” ordinances.

The city council of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, for instance, passed an ordinance last September claiming that “illegal immigration leads to higher crime rates” and that the council therefore must protect legal residents of the city from “crimes committed by illegal aliens.”

Because most of the undocumented immigrants in Hazleton and other communities throughout the United States are young men from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and elsewhere in Latin America, who have little money or formal education, it is assumed that they are more likely to commit crimes than the native-born.

Government and academic studies, however, have demonstrated repeatedly for over a century that immigrants actually are less likely to commit crimes than the native-born. Even though immigration has increased dramatically over the past decade and a half, the crime rate in the United States has declined.

Since 1994, the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States has more than doubled to 12 million. Immigrants, both legal and undocumented, now comprise just under 13 percent of the population. Yet, according to the FBI, between 1994 and 2005 the violent crime rate (murder, robbery, rape, assault) fell 34.2 percent and the property crime rate (burglary, theft) dropped 26.4 percent.

Cities with large and growing immigrant populations such as Los Angeles, New York, Miami and Chicago also experienced this downward trend in crime. If immigration—either legal or undocumented—were associated with crime, then crime rates should be rising.

An upcoming report from the Immigration Policy Center further dispels the notion that immigration and crime are connected. Using data from the 2000 Census, the report shows that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be behind bars. Among men age 18 to 39 (who comprise the vast majority of inmates in federal and state prisons and local jails), immigrants were five times less likely to be incarcerated than the native-born in 2000.

About 3.5 percent of native-born men were in prison, compared with 0.7 percent of foreign-born men. Immigrants from Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala were much less likely to be in prison than native-born, non-Hispanic whites. Roughly 0.7 percent of foreign-born Mexican men and 0.5 percent of foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men were in prison, compared with 1.7 percent of native-born, non-Hispanic white men.

These findings are not new. Three government commissions investigated the relationship between immigration and crime during the last era of large-scale immigration to the United States during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when millions of immigrants arrived from Italy, Ireland, Russia, Poland, and other nations in Europe. All three commissions came to the same conclusion: immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than natives.

As the [Dillingham] Immigration Commission of 1911 concluded: “No satisfactory evidence has yet been produced to show that immigration has resulted in an increase in crime disproportionate to the increase in adult population. Such comparable statistics of crime and population as it has been possible to obtain indicate that immigrants are less prone to commit crime than are native Americans.”

Despite a century’s worth of evidence that immigration does not breed crime, the stereotype of immigrants as criminals continues to flourish in the media and among policymakers. Popular movies and television shows often feature gun-wielding, drug-dealing criminals from south of the border. News reports of violent crimes committed by gangs such as the Salvadoran Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) often overshadow the fact that an extraordinarily small number of immigrants are in gangs and that gangs are found in every ethnic group among both natives and the foreign-born.

Adding insult to injury, many politicians regularly declare their resolve to stem the criminal tide allegedly unleashed by undocumented immigrants. Even President Bush, who favors immigration reform that creates more legal channels for immigration to the United States, declared in a May 15, 2006 address to the nation that illegal immigration “brings crime to our communities.”

There is no denying that crime is a serious problem in the United States. But it is not a problem created or even aggravated by immigration. Quite the opposite, in fact. Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes of all types than the native-born. This suggests that crime is linked not to one’s place of birth, but to the many other forces which foster crime in this country, especially in relatively poor communities: high rates of divorce and family disintegration, high rates of alcohol and drug abuse, etc.

The solution to crime does not lie in immigration policy. And the solution to undocumented immigration does not lie in misguided “get tough” policies that scapegoat immigrants as criminals.

Illegal immigrants crime statistics study debunked but will likely sway election regardless
Posted on Monday, 3 December, 2007 By yours truly | TOOLS: Talk or Share

The sign post says it allThe debate on illegal immigration between Republican hopefuls Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani has been getting enough press that I’ve even been forced to know about it over here in the UK where I myself am a recent immigrant. It’s essentially a tit-for-tat: “you let illegal immigrants in your city,” vs. “oh yeah? Well you let them work in your mansion.” The Republican argument rests on the general creeping American xenophobia that the GOP has found more useful than the NRA or Saddam Hussein: Illegal immigrants (aka, brown people we haven’t documented).

It’s all based on fake statistics, but that fact is likely to be missed on the majority of Americans. It’s another example of my thesis on the progressive movement, “Why We Fail.” This installment: the undocumented immigration issue.

Google this statistic: “25 Americans every day,” and you’ll get where the major fear mongering is coming from. Change it to 12, and you’ll get the hits that came later, after the previous number was debunked. However, this dirty dozen also is false. The “study” was done a while back, but being that election campaigns heat up early thanks to New Hampshire’s lack of patience, these figures are being trotted out again by the boo-scaries of the rabid right, most recently NewsMax.

To see the flood of immigration fear-mongering sweeping the U.S., google this out: “killed by llegal immigrants.”

Like most things taken for granted, the notion that illegal immigrants are likely to commit more violent crime is false. That they take our jobs is false and that they put our country at any increased security risk is also false.

NewsMax is among a host of sites trying to scare the crap out of people in the American midlands regarding a flood of criminally minded illegals out to kill, rape and steal jobs (though somehow simultaneously remaining unemployed and on benefits?!?) Aside form this and the presence of advertisers that try to ply the gullible to invest in oil exploration in Israel and take America back to the gold standard, the other similarity is that all these stats are just wrong. As one blogger with a calculator pointed out, for the numbers to work, every single person arrested would have to be an illegal alien. Colorado Media Matters (in discussion state political debates) also did the math and found the holes here, here, and here.

In the end, the majority of people are coming to the U.S. for economic reasons rather than some political ideology. These people are showing up to get a piece of their financial security back, and so long as its set up this way, they really have every right to do so. Stopping the flow of illegal immigration is simple: Stop corporate praying on weak economies and propping up the dictators who maintain them. Done.
Let’s just remember one thing about illegal immigration. There was once this group of boat people who flooded the country. Most of them were poor, uneducated, lacking in any permission to enter these borders. They didn’t speak the language, didn’t really want to integrate into the current society and knew little in the way of skills to survive. And now we have Thanksgiving, which celebrates their arrival every year. And their arrival led to some much bigger, true crime statistics.

And yet still we fail.

For all Colorado Media Matter’s work, and the good works of other organizations for that matter, no one is really going to see it. CMM’s argument is scattered all over the website, requiring one to read each article following the turn of the screws about Republicans few of us know or care about in an election race that isn’t exactly this year’s news. Why not cull all that info into a table or easily digestible report and then link all previous articles to that, instead of all this “here, here, and here” business?

Crime amongst illegal immigrants is the leading argument for keeping the U.S. servant class servile, and yet the “studies,” mostly compiled by the close-the-borders crowd themselves, are fraught with analytical and mathematical flaws. But it’s going to win, because it’s A) easier to find; B) cleanly and clearly laid out in digestible chunks, written with tight, sound-bite headings and paragraphs; C) parroted in the free-for-all echo chamber of the InterWeb; D) speaks to the basic fears and concerns of Middle America and preys upon known phobias and stereotypes.

The best argument we have in the immigration battle. How sad.What do we have working for us?

The enemy is a well-organized coalition that is in message, bending both Republicans and Democrats to its will. On our end, well, we have a hodge-podge of bright bloggers and some grassroots movements that combine into one very disjointed, unconnected and mostly unheard lobby.

As an example, Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez is a blogger who has some great statistics and use of argument in the post, “more stupidity in my in-box. And over at No More Deaths, we have some very fine examples of direct action in assisting those who are making the dangerous journey across the desert into the U.S. The League of United Latin American Citizens is one of the few movements that has a public face in the lobbying battle, but how many of you knew about it before reading this? What each of these different organizations, internet activists and direct-action groups could use is an actual, cental source for valid demographic data. At its heart, the immigration war is a chart war.

The progressive argument needs to be reorganized. Conservatives are using numbers to inspire fear. They’re weak numbers, but fear is a powerful vote getter. Another way to turn out the vote is to cal out corruption, and many of the sources behind the scare tactics on the immigration issues are most certainly guilty of that. Keeping labor illegal keeps it cheap, free of existing labor laws, workers’ rights, etc. One can’t really argue that undocumented immigrants are “stealing our jobs” because the jobs aren’t set up to be desirable to anyone but desperate, undocumented workers. Many of companies are fiscally conservative, run by bottom-line people eager to see a work force that will work for less. An amnesty program puts those jobs in the light.

Allowing those undocumented workers to demand equal rights for equal work raises the benefits and income levels of those jobs, and suddenly makes them more appealing to the citizen work force in the U.S. and raises the total potential job market. It raises salary, increases demands for goods and service and quality of living, which then drives further economic opportunity. And then the argument becomes one about increasing prosperity. Fear is an effective short-run strategy, but its exhausting for people over the long haul. In the end, if you want a successful argument, it’s about what can bring people. Either that or big dumb wall in the desert.

Jeez. All those words, and just one sentence can reduce your entire 'rant sympatico' to shreds:

" ... Allowing those undocumented workers to demand equal rights for equal work raises the benefits and income levels of those jobs, ... "

UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS HAVE NO RIGHTS. PERIOD. END OF STORY. They are NOT American citizens. They are FOREIGN NATIONALS who are in OUR country ILLEGALLY. You. Have. Just. Lost.

lol YOU WISH

ALL HUMANS HAVE RIGHTS AND THAT IS HOW IT HAS TO BE.