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Topic: A Wise Man Once Said
Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:45 PM




There is no such thing as a problem without a
gift for you in its hands. You seek problems
because you need their gifts.


Thoughts....anyone?





kayak69's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:47 PM
That's deep.

FearandLoathing's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:54 PM
Circa? It is true to an extent, but I wouldn't look at the outcome of problems as gifts. Maybe at one period of time this was true, when problems weren't so prevalent or serious...but I don't agree with this statement in todays world.

markecephus's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:56 PM
The gift, is solving the problem. Solving problems, is much like solving puzzles. Some people, (me included) thrive on that sort of thing. There is a great deal of satisfaction, in a job well done. As for why? I dunno, riddles, puzzles and difficult situations, are a challenge. I think there is a certain competitive factor involved. It is an interesting thought.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:56 PM
My interpretation of the "gift" is that there is a valuable life lesson and that the "gift" is the learning and growth that comes from the problem.

FearandLoathing's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:01 PM

My interpretation of the "gift" is that there is a valuable life lesson and that the "gift" is the learning and growth that comes from the problem.


Well, you also have 'What doesn't kill you will make you stronger.' It doesn't necessarily ring true either. Learning and growth can come from far better things than solving a problem that probably shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. Just my interpretation.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:01 PM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Sat 04/24/10 11:02 PM

Circa? It is true to an extent, but I wouldn't look at the outcome of problems as gifts. Maybe at one period of time this was true, when problems weren't so prevalent or serious...but I don't agree with this statement in todays world.


It's from a book called Illusions - Richard Bach 1977

He is one of my favorite authors...he has many great books including
Johnathan Livingston Seagull

I don't know if the outcome of the problem is the gift so much as the lesson, growth that comes from it.

Shasta1's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:02 PM
Everything that comes to us is a lesson or a gift or both. Not grasping the outcome continues to bring the same problems back to us.

markecephus's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:02 PM
True, pretty much what i was eluding to. Nice idea for a thread!

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:07 PM
For me personally..my greatest life lessons have come out of some of my worst problems, crisis even. I think maybe our reaction to the problem, how we choose to respond is more the lesson or gift than the outcome. Almost like the outcome doesn't matter, just how we dealt with it. Because I tend to look at everything from a spiritual perspective..I'm thinking the gifts possibly are meant to be at a spiritual level.

Again, just my thoughts. I would like to hear you all and your take on it.

Beachfarmer's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:07 PM
Lori.....flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

had to save myself from pontificating here.......


...aside from some of the "REALLY BIGGIES".......Absolutely YES!

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:09 PM

Lori.....flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

had to save myself from pontificating here.......


...aside from some of the "REALLY BIGGIES".......Absolutely YES!


Yes to which part Joel? Yes, there are gifts in problems, yes it's at a spiritual level, the outcome matters or not?

Clarify Joel..please flowerforyou

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:11 PM
I like the new pictures Joel..looks like your kissing azz...a jackazz

happy :tongue:

Beachfarmer's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:11 PM
Edited by Beachfarmer on Sat 04/24/10 11:14 PM
me and my llama

oLdE' pic btw...circa '95

FearandLoathing's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:12 PM

For me personally..my greatest life lessons have come out of some of my worst problems, crisis even. I think maybe our reaction to the problem, how we choose to respond is more the lesson or gift than the outcome. Almost like the outcome doesn't matter, just how we dealt with it. Because I tend to look at everything from a spiritual perspective..I'm thinking the gifts possibly are meant to be at a spiritual level.

Again, just my thoughts. I would like to hear you all and your take on it.


Well, that is probably the difference there. I think too logically to accept gifts in a spiritual form, sure, there is nobility and humbleness that comes with the choices...but I don't see those as gifts, more just what people should feel when they do the 'right' thing against the 'wrong' thing. But that is really just perspective driven, hence the quotes, my 'right' is not necessarily your 'right' and same with the 'wrong.'

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:14 PM

me and my llama

oLde' pic btw...circa '95


1995..well your looking very youthful in it anyway..

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:18 PM


For me personally..my greatest life lessons have come out of some of my worst problems, crisis even. I think maybe our reaction to the problem, how we choose to respond is more the lesson or gift than the outcome. Almost like the outcome doesn't matter, just how we dealt with it. Because I tend to look at everything from a spiritual perspective..I'm thinking the gifts possibly are meant to be at a spiritual level.

Again, just my thoughts. I would like to hear you all and your take on it.


Well, that is probably the difference there. I think too logically to accept gifts in a spiritual form, sure, there is nobility and humbleness that comes with the choices...but I don't see those as gifts, more just what people should feel when they do the 'right' thing against the 'wrong' thing. But that is really just perspective driven, hence the quotes, my 'right' is not necessarily your 'right' and same with the 'wrong.'


Well Fear, I don't really look at things as "right" or "wrong". For me right or wrong is very subjective. As far as a quote like this..i would think there would be many ways to interpret. I actually like to hear the logical side of things because I am well...not logical.
If one isn't so much spiritual then it would be more the outcome..then the actions during said "problem"...

markecephus's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:24 PM
If i may interject.. In my experience of watching boards for years..forum posters are very inquisitive people. Most all, (i think) can relate to this topic. I think the bottom line is, that a challenge faced, and a lesson learned, brings a sense of accomplishment. I think the reward, is in knowing you have achieved a greater knowledge, by accessing the problem/puzzle, and finding a viable solution. This is a fantastic thread for discussion!

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:29 PM

If i may interject.. In my experience of watching boards for years..forum posters are very inquisitive people. Most all, (i think) can relate to this topic. I think the bottom line is, that a challenge faced, and a lesson learned, brings a sense of accomplishment. I think the reward, is in knowing you have achieved a greater knowledge, by accessing the problem/puzzle, and finding a viable solution. This is a fantastic thread for discussion!


Thanks Mark...glad you find the topic interesting. I do, and like to engage in conversation where there is the freedom to interpret this any way one wants to without judgment.

So, your saying the gift is the satisfaction of solving the problem?

Beachfarmer's photo
Sat 04/24/10 11:31 PM
Yes...Agreed!!:thumbsup: I guess for even "some" of the biggies.

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