Cowboy...did the prophets of God "GUESS" or form a "HYPOTHESIS" or did the predictions come from God

you just agreed that if the prediction didn't come from God that the person giving the prediction is a false prophet....

also for you as a Christian to come into a religion forum while discussing the prophets of God and then claim that the word "prediction" does not pertain only to God would mean that something other than God has granted you your power and knowledge of prediction ...if it wasn't from God...then your predictions had to come from Satan

Cowboy since I already posted in this thread pages upon pages before you posted that I would... does that make me omniscient or does it mean that you lack common sense

well MsHarmony...that is an indication that you have sex motionless as a christian should....

because when heathens have "lust"ful sex their genitals be trying to pound the hell out of one another which is why it can be equated to "Wrath" ...one genital be trying to swallow the other one whole which equated to gluttony...

so do your "eating breakfast" refers to the genitals ....if not then can you now understand why it was a bad analogy .....but now people may start using that phrase ...eating breakfast with MsHarmony

I have explained at least three times what my analogy was , you choose to pretend to be blind to it,,so be it,,,

we have a different view and style apparently about 'sex' between husband and wife,, and for that matter what WRATH is,,,, carry on pounding and I will carry on not engaging in

1 : strong vengeful anger or indignation
2 : retributory punishment for an offense or a crime : divine chastisement

... which has about as much to do with what I did with my husband as eating breakfast does,,,

Hos 4:6
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge .
Because you have rejected knowledge ,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your Elohim,
I also will forget your children.
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Satans trick was to take us from Knowledge because True knowledge comes from Yahweh and his ways.

Yahshua said over again to return to the beginning when we were as children . No hate no self deliverance of a me me me world where we only care about ourselves.

Thats what we have. Thats what Hitler taught. Survival of the fittests. Where we alone can forget about others and only ourselves instead of the Purity of a small child where when your parents speak you listen. Yahweh gave freewill and thats where Satan took advantage. But to remember the ways of old comes far greater strengths than the ways of what can i get for the future.

Humanism 101. So Satans knowledge has and always will be destruction of us. Turn from him and he will flee because Yahweh's knowledge he can not handle.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

No they prophesized. They told us of the future. Hypothesis, predictions, and guesses can be wrong. But there's no way these prophesies can be wrong for God said it will happen and God is the one who will make these happen.

But that whole concept of a "Satan" which is a spiritual entity who constantly works against God to turn mankind away from God, yet who isn't a God in his own right is an absurd idea in the first place.

More over, if you go with that belief, then you have no choice but to recognize and accept that Satan always wins.

Satan clearly won in the OT when Yahweh supposedly had to confess to Satan that he had won the vast majority of souls. God flushed those souls over to Satan in a Great Flood. Saving on a very few individuals, all of whom had questionable righteousness themselves.

Then Yahweh descied to start the game over again, with this "new deal" of just a handful of salvaged souls.

But what happens next? Yahweh supposedly sends his only begotten Son down to earth to be crucified to PAY for the sins of man. But what is a "sin" other than being turned away from God by Satan. Moreover, it is claimed that no man can resist "sin" (i.e. resist Satan) without God's Grace.

So all this does is prove that Satan is indeed the winner and can indeed turn souls away from Yahweh at his whim. The very "sacrifice" of Yahweh to have his own son crucified to pay for the sins of man proves that point. The crucifixion then becomes nothing more than a confession by God that he cannot beat Satan legitimately (in other words, this act of desperation can be nothing short of Yahweh confessing that he has indeed lost his bet with Satan).

Finally, as if that isn't enough, even the gospels have Yahweh's son Jesus proclaiming that very few will make it into the kingdom of God.

Well if you can TRUST the words of Jesus, then this can only mean that Satan will indeed continue to be the main winner of souls in this game.

So to even make out like this is some sort of game or "war" between God and some evil fallen angel named "Satan" is a nonsensicial story because the fallen angel would be the CLEAR VICTOR in the game.

Even if Yahweh supposedly squishes Satan's head after the game is over, that wouldn't make Yahweh the "winner". All it would do is make him a very POOR LOSER.

So as soon as people start bringing up the idea of a some "Satan" to make excuses for the lame God in this story, that just makes me toss in my chips right then and there. It's an utterly stupid game, if that's the basis of the story, IMHO.

It's every bit as utterly absurd as the stories of Zeus or any other Mythology. In fact, this story makes the God out to be truly lame and out of control all together. He ends up being the main loser in the game. He loses the vast majority of souls that he creates in every scenario. That's just not a winning God, IMHO.

lovely, ty

amen :D

well those definition of Wrath you provided could relate to lustful sex...lustful supposedly release inner tension as does Wrath ...but since you indicated that there is no pounding of the flesh in your sex then that is an indication that you do not have lustful sex ...this is a good thing for a Christian

as I said...if the prediction came from God then it's a prophecy ....if it didn't come from God it's false prophecy ....since your predictions did not come from God...then you are a false prophet ...the bible states to beware of you

wouldn't all knowledge be True knowledge? ....so the crime that Satan committed was to trick people to learn?

why do people seek to attend school and/or send their children to school ....they do it to seek knowledge.....and it's all because of Satan

They learned what we can not handle. That me myself and I is what matters as we even seeing Adam saying No she did it .. Always blamiing others. Is that not what we see everywhere we look everyone blaming others and not looking closely in the mirror at ourselves?

James 1:22-2:1

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

This is what knowledge is whether bad or good. We learn from everything we see hear and encounter. Who we are around we imatate whether we want to see it or not. The company you keep. Is Knowledge of the world of Yahweh or Satan.

Yahweh promices if you keep your mind on his ways you will be a positive influence to others that even those who speak evil of you will be ashamed...Blessings...Miles

Ps 74:21
21 Oh, do not let the oppressed return ashamed !
Let the poor and needy praise Your name.
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Luke 9:24-26
24 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. 25 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost? 26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father's, and of the holy angels.
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1 Peter 3:15-17
15 But sanctify Yahweh Elohim in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Messiah may be ashamed . 17 For it is better, if it is the will of Yahweh, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
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Knowledge in itself is not evil...God told Adam not to par take from the tree of knowledge. This was a test of temptation..not in that knowledge itself is inherently evil. Knowledge is aquired with time and God invites to learn more about more about him. (It is also important to remember there is a point when knowledge and faith slit and it is important examiine what you have learned and apply it correctly.

also it is in the use of knowledge,, it is rarely good when used to embellish ones own ego, but often at its best when used to improve the human condition(the family, the community,,,etc,,,)under the blessing of the Lord

And plus it wasn't getting the knowledge itself that was wrong. It was the fact that they disobeyed God.

but isn't Yahweh doesn't the same by blaming his creations ... the creation of the human race was Yahweh's project, he controlled everything within it...he created all the circumstances and happenstance that caused everything to take place ...

so that narrows it down to two choices...either Yahweh is omniscient and knew exactly what he was doing ...or Yahweh isn't omniscient and didn't know what he was doing ....

but either way...wouldn't it be Yawhew's fault ....why would a supposedly omnipotent omniscient omnipresence and/or omni-whatever God blame his creations for what he himself failed to do?

God failed at nothing. It is free will and adam/eve's choice to have eat'n of the fruit. If God would have been "controlling" circumstances there would be no such thing as free will. As in if you put a ball on top of a hill and let it roll down you are giving that ball free will, weather it bumps into things and gets stuck along the way or rolls all the way it does it on it's own. If you physically force it over a bit to miss the obsticle you have taken away it's free will.

God is responsible for giving fake "Free Will" that resulted in complete failure

if you believe that you have free will....then use your "Free Will" to remain alive in your human body as you exist today for all eternality without food and water

if you can't do that...then stop all that Free Will nonsense

Again you do not understand free will. With EVERY action there is a REACTION. You have the free will to do as you wish, only you'll have to also take the reaction, but nevertheless you have the ability to do anything you wish. And dieing doesn't apply to free will, for dieing isn't a choice, it's not an option, it's nothing people do or don't do. It just happens. You saying if i have free will then use my free will for my physical body not to die is like saying use your free will to make the sun not come up tomorrow. Both are just as relevant with one another.