This bill is not all that it should be but it is the start for us to build on.

I'll second that!

Until the 38 states and AG's that promised to take it to court end up taking it to court on the Unconstitutional grounds. Then once it hits the Supreme Court (which has the Conservative Majority) it will get flushed down the toilet where it belongs.

That's right...then comes November

So was 'The Communist Manifesto'.

The dems will be neutered in november....

amen

well, anti drug laws were upheld, restricting what is put in ones body is not part of the constitution anymore than mandating who pays for healthcare, but I guess it will come down to popularity and the supreme court justices

No, it will come down to the Supreme Court Justices where Conservatives have a 5-4 majority

And Mein Kampf

Start with dogpoop and pave the road with dog poop.

You still got dog poop on your shoes.

No matter what words you use to cover it up.

YOU CAN'T RULE WITH A WHIP IN THE US of A.

The people will eventually wake up and EAT YOU.

the supreme court should strike this bill down as being against the constitution

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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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where in the constitution does the federal government get the responsibility of making sure the """people""" must have medical coverage

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that power is reserved for the """people""" or the states per the 10th ammendment

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Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


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i do not see the words mandate medical coverage to the """people""" in the section of the constitution labeled powers of congress

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but hey what do i know

the commerce clause is the supporting portion of the constitution....which supports, however vaguely, insurance mandates

are you talking about this line

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

no that does not even vaguely cover the issue

it covers the commerce between governing bodies

not the commerce of the people

foreign Nations governing body

States governing body

Indian Tribes governing body


no where does it say the commerce of the """people"""

'To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes'

this is where the term vague comes in,,,, it doesnt specify commmerce of people NOR commerce of governments,,,,


legal PROFESSONALS have legitimate points on both sides,, on the PRO REFORM SIDE,,this is the LEGALLY JUSTIFIABLE argument

In a response on his blog, Jack Balkin of Yale Law School offered a rebuttal, arguing "Congress pretty clearly has the power to pass such a tax under its powers to tax and spend for the general welfare. This is an easy case for constitutionality." Balkin adds: "Congress also has the power to require the individual mandate under the Commerce clause, despite Barnett's objection. That is because Congress can regulate economic activities that have a cumulative economic effect on interstate commerce."

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/23/are-legal-challenges-to-health-reform-credible/?xid=rss-topstories#ixzz0j6HKykKo

well the language is that of controlling entities

such as foreign power that is an entity

state that is an entity

indian tribe is an entity

it says tribe not the individual indian

thus the 10th amendment limits the power of the federal government when it comes to the regulation of commerce to the individual

it says nothing giving the federal govt the right to regulate the individual

any one can interpret anything to say anything they want that is why it must be taken literally

and if we bring the declaration of independence into it it would enforce this fact of no federal mandates towards the individual but gives the individual the mandate power over the govt

but arent YOU also giving your interpretation? it says nothing about federal government it says CONGRESS specifically, and again it doesnt specifically mention governments or individuals......not to mention the bill is used as a tax bill where people pay TAX FINES for not having insurance,,,,,,,much less harsh than other mandates imposed by the states, such as auto insurance,, driving without insurance doesnt require you to pay a tax,, its enforcable by JAIL

this mandate doesnt throw anyone in jail for not having insurance,, it will probably be argued as a tax issue (another privilege of congress) and on that basis could very well be upheld