Topic: Yes, finally, the dems are not neutered after all | |
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the supreme court should strike this bill down as being against the constitution ================================================ Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ==================================================== where in the constitution does the federal government get the responsibility of making sure the """people""" must have medical coverage -------------------------------------------------------- that power is reserved for the """people""" or the states per the 10th ammendment ======================================================= Section 8 - Powers of Congress The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; To establish Post Offices and Post Roads; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. ==================================================== i do not see the words mandate medical coverage to the """people""" in the section of the constitution labeled powers of congress ----------------------------------------------------- but hey what do i know The Supreme Court WILL strike this down, no question about it. I have been saying it from day one and is why I wasn't to upset when this passed. |
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Winx
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Wed 03/24/10 11:21 AM
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice.
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice. Oh so your penalized for not buying something you say? Well I have news for you, thats Unconstitutional too. I've been waiting for someone to walk right through that door.......... |
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice. Oh so your penalized for not buying something you say? Well I have news for you, thats Unconstitutional too. I've been waiting for someone to walk right through that door.......... well, we could go the route of just adding a tax to go into a NATIONALIZED care system,, but this way makes more sense and gives people SOME opportunity to opt out of personally purchasing insurance the tax argument is one made by actual LAWYERS and LAW PROFESSIONALS, so Im sure it holds some CONSTITUTIONAL legitimacy and it certainly has precedent, |
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well the language is that of controlling entities such as foreign power that is an entity state that is an entity indian tribe is an entity it says tribe not the individual indian thus the 10th amendment limits the power of the federal government when it comes to the regulation of commerce to the individual it says nothing giving the federal govt the right to regulate the individual any one can interpret anything to say anything they want that is why it must be taken literally and if we bring the declaration of independence into it it would enforce this fact of no federal mandates towards the individual but gives the individual the mandate power over the govt but arent YOU also giving your interpretation? it says nothing about federal government it says CONGRESS specifically, and again it doesnt specifically mention governments or individuals......not to mention the bill is used as a tax bill where people pay TAX FINES for not having insurance,,,,,,,much less harsh than other mandates imposed by the states, such as auto insurance,, driving without insurance doesnt require you to pay a tax,, its enforcable by JAIL this mandate doesnt throw anyone in jail for not having insurance,, it will probably be argued as a tax issue (another privilege of congress) and on that basis could very well be upheld congress is the federal government here is a link to the constitution http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Preamble and to answer your question no i am not interpreting it i am taking the definition of each word as it is written (literally) webster interpreted it as the way it was intended |
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well the language is that of controlling entities such as foreign power that is an entity state that is an entity indian tribe is an entity it says tribe not the individual indian thus the 10th amendment limits the power of the federal government when it comes to the regulation of commerce to the individual it says nothing giving the federal govt the right to regulate the individual any one can interpret anything to say anything they want that is why it must be taken literally and if we bring the declaration of independence into it it would enforce this fact of no federal mandates towards the individual but gives the individual the mandate power over the govt but arent YOU also giving your interpretation? it says nothing about federal government it says CONGRESS specifically, and again it doesnt specifically mention governments or individuals......not to mention the bill is used as a tax bill where people pay TAX FINES for not having insurance,,,,,,,much less harsh than other mandates imposed by the states, such as auto insurance,, driving without insurance doesnt require you to pay a tax,, its enforcable by JAIL this mandate doesnt throw anyone in jail for not having insurance,, it will probably be argued as a tax issue (another privilege of congress) and on that basis could very well be upheld congress is the federal government here is a link to the constitution http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Preamble and to answer your question no i am not interpreting it i am taking the definition of each word as it is written (literally) webster interpreted it as the way it was intended webster interpreted the constitution? nowhere are the SPECIFIC words people or government mentioned,, so injecting them is an interpretation |
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i see this is a waste of time
webster defined many words in the dictionary show me an individual that is a foreign power state or a tribe be well |
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice. Oh so your penalized for not buying something you say? Well I have news for you, thats Unconstitutional too. I've been waiting for someone to walk right through that door.......... Aren't you penalized for not having car insurance? Is that unconstitutional as well? |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 03/25/10 05:59 PM
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice. Oh so your penalized for not buying something you say? Well I have news for you, thats Unconstitutional too. I've been waiting for someone to walk right through that door.......... Aren't you penalized for not having car insurance? Is that unconstitutional as well? yes actually it is if it is a federal mandate but it is a state mandate they are not the same thing |
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i see this is a waste of time webster defined many words in the dictionary show me an individual that is a foreign power state or a tribe be well To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes among the states,, show me states that arent made up of individuals.... |
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i see this is a waste of time webster defined many words in the dictionary show me an individual that is a foreign power state or a tribe be well To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes among the states,, show me states that arent made up of individuals.... yes states are full of individuals as are tribes and foreign powers but the difference is the state, foreign power and tribe have over seeing governing bodies and the federal government has the power to deal with these governing bodies not the individuals that are within the grasp of those governing bodies ---- thus the 10th amendment |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 03/26/10 10:36 AM
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state (stt)
n. 1. A condition or mode of being, as with regard to circumstances: a state of confusion. 2. A condition of being in a stage or form, as of structure, growth, or development: the fetal state. 3. A mental or emotional condition: in a manic state. 4. Informal A condition of excitement or distress. 5. Physics The condition of a physical system with regard to phase, form, composition, or structure: Ice is the solid state of water. 6. Social position or rank. 7. Ceremony; pomp: foreign leaders dining in state at the White House. 8. a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state. 9. A specific mode of government: the socialist state. 10. A body politic, especially one constituting a nation: the states of Eastern Europe. 11. One of the more or less internally autonomous territorial and political units composing a federation under a sovereign government: the 48 contiguous states of the Union. ---------------------------- tribe (trb) n. 1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent. 2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially: a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan. b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel. c. A phyle of ancient Greece. 3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students. ---------------------------- http://www.thefreedictionary.com ---------------------------- (a) “Foreign power” means— (1) a foreign government or any component thereof, whether or not recognized by the United States; (2) a faction of a foreign nation or nations, not substantially composed of United States persons; (3) an entity that is openly acknowledged by a foreign government or governments to be directed and controlled by such foreign government or governments; (4) a group engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor; (5) a foreign-based political organization, not substantially composed of United States persons; (6) an entity that is directed and controlled by a foreign government or governments; or (7) an entity not substantially composed of United States persons that is engaged in the international proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001801----000-.html http://www.thefreedictionary.com/state =================================================================== note these all talk about groups in the definition not any individual person thus the federal government can deal with those leading the group but not the individual members of said group |
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i see this is a waste of time webster defined many words in the dictionary show me an individual that is a foreign power state or a tribe be well To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes among the states,, show me states that arent made up of individuals.... yes states are full of individuals as are tribes and foreign powers but the difference is the state, foreign power and tribe have over seeing governing bodies and the federal government has the power to deal with these governing bodies not the individuals that are within the grasp of those governing bodies ---- thus the 10th amendment another difference is the wording says WITH nations (a government?), and WITH tribes(a body) but not WITH several states,,,why the difference,, perhaps because AMONGST the several states could refer to the states as land mass which consists of PEOPLE purchasing things |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 03/26/10 10:58 AM
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i see this is a waste of time webster defined many words in the dictionary show me an individual that is a foreign power state or a tribe be well To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes among the states,, show me states that arent made up of individuals.... yes states are full of individuals as are tribes and foreign powers but the difference is the state, foreign power and tribe have over seeing governing bodies and the federal government has the power to deal with these governing bodies not the individuals that are within the grasp of those governing bodies ---- thus the 10th amendment another difference is the wording says WITH nations (a government?), and WITH tribes(a body) but not WITH several states,,,why the difference,, perhaps because AMONGST the several states could refer to the states as land mass which consists of PEOPLE purchasing things state 8. a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state. or could it be they were smart enough to know that there would be more states added in the future and used the word several as a means not to limit the number of states they could deal with a state no matter if one or several is still a state which is governed by a group and the fed can deal with that group not the individual |
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice. that is like saying you are not being robbed by the crook with a gun to your head they will just shoot you you have a choice |
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i see this is a waste of time webster defined many words in the dictionary show me an individual that is a foreign power state or a tribe be well To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes among the states,, show me states that arent made up of individuals.... yes states are full of individuals as are tribes and foreign powers but the difference is the state, foreign power and tribe have over seeing governing bodies and the federal government has the power to deal with these governing bodies not the individuals that are within the grasp of those governing bodies ---- thus the 10th amendment another difference is the wording says WITH nations (a government?), and WITH tribes(a body) but not WITH several states,,,why the difference,, perhaps because AMONGST the several states could refer to the states as land mass which consists of PEOPLE purchasing things or could it be they were smart enough to know that there would be more states added in the future and used the word several as a means not to limit the number of states they could deal with a state no matter if one or several is still a state which is governed by a group and the fed can deal with that group not the individual the word SEVERAL leaves room open for ANY number of states,, so , I dont get that logic,, they could have said WITH the several states, or AMONGST the several states |
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an individual is not a state
no matter how you try to make it so it is not a state is state 8. a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state. the things dealing with the people is a matter for the state to deal with |
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You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. You have a choice. that is like saying you are not being robbed by the crook with a gun to your head they will just shoot you you have a choice not really, I am not already in a state of being shot once a year,, unlike taxes |
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an individual is not a state no matter how you try to make it so it is not a state is state 8. a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state. the things dealing with the people is a matter for the state to deal with more definitions of state from Miriam Webster 4 a : a body of persons constituting a special class in a society : estate 3 b plural : the members or representatives of the governing classes assembled in a legislative body c obsolete : a person of high rank (as a noble) 5 a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign b : the political organization of such a body of people c : a government or politically organized society having a particular character <a police state> <the welfare state> body of PEOPLE occupying a definite territory,,,is ALSO one definition of the word,,state the clause doesnt clarify whether it is referring to the governing body or the body of people |
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an individual is not a state no matter how you try to make it so it is not a state is state 8. a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state. the things dealing with the people is a matter for the state to deal with more definitions of state from Miriam Webster 4 a : a body of persons constituting a special class in a society : estate 3 b plural : the members or representatives of the governing classes assembled in a legislative body c obsolete : a person of high rank (as a noble) 5 a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign b : the political organization of such a body of people c : a government or politically organized society having a particular character <a police state> <the welfare state> body of PEOPLE occupying a definite territory,,,is ALSO one definition of the word,,state the clause doesnt clarify whether it is referring to the governing body or the body of people so Webster did interpret it is this what you are saying ![]() exactly a body of people :: the members or representatives of the governing classes assembled in a legislative body c obsolete : the members governing the people in a previous section of the constitution it says person (not states)so to assume that the word state to mean a person, is kind of a major stretch (if persons and states are listed in separate terms then it is more likely that even if the term state could be manipulated to mean person the distinguishably certain use of both words in the constitution would obviously void the word state from be meant to mean persons) ------------------------------------------------ Section 9 - Limits on Congress The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Preamble |
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