I don't think jealousy has anything to do with the responses... If you really read what most wrote it had to do with lumping middle aged women into one category b/c of one person's bad experiences..

He can date any age he chooses, I couldn't care less... But to give middles aged women a bad rap b/c he picks bad ones or b/c they just aren't into him and he's using it as an excuse to justify his dating preferences well that's bunk!

I don't apologize for not being interested in men of certain age ranges whether it's higher or lower and I don't expect TS to.. But I also don't slam the age ranges I'm not interested in...

Huge props to MsHarmony for elaborating on this aspect of things...I think this is exactly what is (subconsciously?) going through many women's minds when they are ready to make presumptive accusations against people like TS.

This is getting pretty idiotic.

It seems to me that the women in here are not offended by the fact that the TS prefers to date younger women over middle aged women. They are offended by the fact that he assumes that all women of middle age have the same attitude torward life and carry the same baggage. They feel they are unjustafiably being judged. Thats not jealousy. This is not blasting the guy or taking shots at him. They are stating how what he says isnt true in all cases.

Its like a woman coming in here and saying that all middle aged men need viagra to keep it up. She would be grouping all middle aged men into one category from "her experience". What would happen next would be the exsact same thing thats going on in here. The men would come in and defend their case that not all middle aged men need viagra. They wouldnt be jealous that shes a cougar or isnt interested in older men.

Some of your arguments or so off track.

For the TS...you gotta get yours. If you can keep up with them young girls, more power to you. I have no disrespect for what or whom you choose to do in your life.

Now I'm curious... Are the men that don't agree jealous as well???

None? None at all? Not a single one? And in no way shape or form? Seriously?

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Its helpful if you either explicitly address the person your words are intended for, or at least quote their words so we know who is talking to who.

I noticed you used the word 'some', and I understand the importance of that word. Did you do the same for my words?

If a group of men responded in that circumstance, it seems likely to me that at least some of their comments would be motivated by jealousy and insecurity.

I GUESS it all depends on the ladies we have all met here in this life,,because,,I would argue the marriage thing to my death,,as MOST that I have met or talked with MIGHT say THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE MARRIED ,,,,,IF THE RIGHT MAN CAME ALONE?
BUT,,AL OF THEM will just still date around to have some fun until THAT TIME,,,
THIS is my take ,,MANY OF THE WOMEN IN THE AGE BRACKET YOUR TALKING HERE ,,,AS FOR WANTING MARRIAGE,,THEY HAVE A CHILD ALREADY,,AND WANT,,A MAN WHO WILL STILL BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THEM AND THEIR CHILD TO SHARE LIFE WITH,,,
SO "THAT" IS THEIR REASONING TO EVEN SPEAK MARRIAGE.
BUT the dudes don't want ANYTHING MORE from the ladies but some good times and NO COMMITMENTS,,,or THEY SPLIT,,,SAYING SHE WANTED MARRIAGEIN STEAD OF THERI TRUTH
I DON'T WANT ""ANY""COMMITITEMENTS IN MY LIFE,
AND SHE WAS ONLY WITH ME FOR THAT.....
NO,,she was looking and having some fun just like them,,BUT she spoke of her thoughts and minds as to her AND HER CHILD,or children?
THATS MY TAKE ON THIS MARRIAGE ISSUE...

I don't even know why you guys waste your time arguing when people are clearly so convinced their own opinions are correct.

It's kinda like this...

This is very, very true. Our hobbies, our friends, the places we socialize - it all leads demographic biases.



Yes, that is true, but if I want to be in what I consider a real relationship which is absent of long term intentions, then this won't work for me. You can have a very deep and involved and personal connection without concern for the future...but you can't have this with the marriage oriented women, nor with the 'I'll have a casual fling till I find my husband' women either.



Just to be clear, I certainly didn't mean to imply there is anything wrong with wanting marriage. I respect people for knowing what they want and being honest about it, period. And I generally respect people for wanting marriage, and especially for that reason.



True only in some cases. An aversion to rapidly seeking long-term commitments is not always about hedonistic and selfish desire for 'good times'.

Well I made a mess of my quotes...

Maybe I misunderstood you. Since you made your statement after quoting Mayhem's words, I thought you were talking about the hypothetical situation in which some men would be seeking to correct a generalization about 'older men needing viagra'.

Now I think you were asking whether the men who are criticizing TS are motivated by jealousy. Maybe I'm a cynic, but I can't help wondering if some of them are trying to look good in front of the ladies.




I'm sure we agree, but I just want to be explicit: some men respect women of all ages while also being into women 1/2 their age.

Yeah, 18 pages is a lot! I didn't even read most of the go-nowhere arguments. I don't think every one of us is so hard headed that none of us is learning anything, though. Thank you Indian, Mayhem, and Iam4u.

I know pretty much all of them and I'd say "no" they are not doing that b/c they are the same day in and day out and just friends with the ladies...


Some do respect all and date women 1/2 their age but as we've seen that wasn't the case in the statements current or past from the OP and that is well known and not appreciated..

Well, you know them better than I! Its always good when one's pessimistic cynicism proves to be misplaced.



In my defense, I know nothing of this history of exchanges; but I'm glad you gave me an opportunity to be clear about this. I wouldn't want anyone in the audience to think that I'm trying to defend attitudes which I don't actually agree with.

Would this not be a generalization as well?? I didn't take the OP as all women of a certain age. I took it as all the women of a certain age that he dated.

Well if he's refusing to date ANY women of a certain age then he has lumped them all into a group based ONLY on the women he's encountered.

I know I have done similar to this myself. Based on certain types and it being bad experiences, I stop dating those types. I'm almost 39 and I didn't feel that it was directed at me. I read it (as I said) that he was referring to his dating experiences and basing his opinion on his own experiences. Maybe the older women he has dated go on a date with bridal magazines in hand....who knows? I didn't go on the dates with him to know this.

This was about his experiences in dating and his decision.

Some might say they won't date someone with muscles and works out a lot based in past experiences (or insert any thing else in this)

But if he is refusing to date them...is that not his choice?

what about those that only date a certain race (maybe based on past experiences) or date according to weight or height or hair color?

I respected how you handled the clarification

Kim he clearly states an age group b/c of his experiences... That's a lump if I ever saw one..

I see what you're saying though...

But a CLEAR clarification is that 32 is NOT middle aged...