ok...this might be thought provoking for this time, but I am watching reruns of Law and Order and the episode made me think

OK....is it ok to take healthy organs from patients (if they can live without them) or from people that have died in an accident to save someone's life...even if that person didn't consent to having their organs removed?

I know I know...step away from the TV

from living people without their consent, no.

from dead people, they're not using them anymore. and the coroner is going to take them out anyway. i say have at 'em.


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to do it w/out consent is just wrong!

Nope.

Stem cell research, make the organs. C'mon now, then there's no legalities involved.

I am not, and will not be an organ donor (short of an immediate family member) due to the entire financial issue.

ok Drew...let me ask this...in some cultures and religions, it is forbidden and the family would have to deal with respecting the wishes of the deceased. So would it be ok then?

I, personally, can't donate my organs because of the blood disease.

Again, nope!

While I'm not particularly caring about the whole cultural/religious issue, if one starts harvesting body parts without consent when they are dead, what's going stop people from killing compatible others for donations?

believe it or not...I can see both sides of it.

While I believe consent is a MUST and should not be blown off...I couldn't imagine it if my son needed something and being on a waiting list. That must be agony for all and I can see why some would get desperate.

of course there are some religions that have issues with that, but aside from those i don't see the problem. what exactly are people planning on doing with their organs after they die. it's not like they're going to be placed in canopic jars and placed beside a mummified corpse that'll hopefully need them when it's resurrected.

i think people cling too tightly to their mortal bodies. when you die it's pretty much useless to you.

as for your blood disease, nobody wants your organs so you don't have to worry about. but for people without health issues who die suddenly, there are many people who are waiting for a second chance at life. or there are some very very young people who've not really had a chance yet. why shouldn't we give them their opportunities if the original possessor of the organs no longer has a use for them?


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And again, this is why I support stem cell research/cloning of body parts, not entire bodies. That way, everyone can be saved, without being forced to wait.

Unfortunately, it's all a form of population control, whether one likes the thought or not. Everyone is going to die sometime. One just hopes the life lived was good.

Regarding young people. I think a young person should have a better chance of getting those organs. I think old people, people who have had alcohol and drug issues and smokers should be totally banned across the board. In the case of older people, they've lived. In the case of the other, they misused their first chance and don't deserve a second chance.

i don't disagree.



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http://www.donottransplant.com/


I may become a member..............

35+ years of working in health care, and I still can't decide how I feel about organ donation. Geeze, life was so much easier when I saw everything as either right or wrong. But taking someone's body or parts without permission makes me shudder. People's remains scavenged. Surgeons rummaging through our remains as if at a junk yard or flea market.

Then there is the financial gains made from donated organs/tissue and the problems many recipients have after transplant...know of some very ugly situations.

each human is the king and queen of their own body.

each has the final say over it's own body, and what it use it for, and want done unto itself, in life and in death.

if society is to know respect for each other, which is to value each other, than what else could be the very first thing needed to respect, other than each is the personal owner of themself, and "each" is the judge of what they "wish", for "their body"?

a sense and belief that life should afford love, and most good, most to self, destroy this notion within any group of people that exist, and be what first allow the human brain to become so convoluded that it could actually rape, or molest, or abuse, another human being?

it cannot be missed, that no thief, no rapist, no torturer has to first believe that their own body want was the MOST IMPORTANT, before such acts could be perpetrated upon another living thing?

such then makes it easy to see, that the notion that self happiness and self love is the goal of human existence, is what first begin all things bad that exist within any human species?

to want to be loved, to be satisfied by another human being, for in the rapist brain, they were but first convinced other humans existed to "please them"?

teaching individual rights exist, perpetuate a individual minded
society, with no first insight of what first create any environment of "common good"?

too bad such is not taught within society, as what crime or violence or harm or taking or abuse of another would or could happen if it were.

Thanks for that site!

Ok my dear now your entering the realm of things that are wrong with people!First off everybody lives and dies me, you our parents ,our children.Now to take an organ because it's your relative ,whoever it may be lowers you to the status of the I want it so 'll take it crowd! Just like cheaters and liars and all the rest .You do'nt need it but I do so it's mine !Think about it !

i think that we should take anything needed from the deceased...once they are dead, they can't use it anyway.

from the living, no. there could be complications from the surgery and whatnot...and i wouldn't consider it ethical. i wouldn't have a problem with offering them some sort of tax break or something, though...

no, its never ok to violate ones body without their consent.

I'm not really cool with organ harvesting from the deceased... sounds kinda' like rollin' a drunk guy in an alley.

exactly, and then we start getting into a mentality of who 'deserves' life and who doesn't which is completely scary to me. Im not sure( I will do more research) but I actually believe one of the first heart transplants came from an otherwise HEALTHY young African male and went into the body of a wealthy American male. I think many otherwise healthy people would die (due to societal view of their 'worth') for the benefit of wealthy people if we go down the road of non consentual body transplants...