Topic: "Types" are overrated
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Mon 03/15/10 01:22 PM
Is it so wrong to just want to find someone who likes playin' with the 'pink bits' ... ? I'm so easy ...

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Mon 03/15/10 01:56 PM

A relationship isn't a 'need' - it's a 'want.'
Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Because nature would disagree with you. Relationships are fundamental in human needs, and from the moment that you are born, until the day you die you will be in many types of relationships. It's how the human race survives. It's embedded in our DNA. Those that choose to force themselves to never have a relationship with other human beings tend to go off the deep end - can you say unabomber? Fear of intimacy - (relationship phobia) is actually a psychological condition, it's like being afraid of falling in love or as it's known Philophobia. You can choose to not be in a relationship for a period of time, but sooner or later it will start tapping you on the shoulder again.... smokin

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Mon 03/15/10 01:57 PM
Edited by LeighAnna9 on Mon 03/15/10 02:10 PM


A relationship isn't a 'need' - it's a 'want.'
Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Because nature would disagree with you. Relationships are fundamental in human needs, and from the moment that you are born, until the day you die you will be in many types of relationships. It's how the human race survives. It's embedded in our DNA. Those that choose to force themselves to never have a relationship with other human beings tend to go off the deep end - can you say unabomber? Fear of intimacy - (relationship phobia) is actually a psychological condition, it's like being afraid of falling in love or as it's known Philophobia. You can choose to not be in a relationship for a period of time, but sooner or later it will start tapping you on the shoulder again.... smokin


huh

Edited to add this:

I find that amusing because most of the time I find myself living in places where I cannot have a relationship with anyone, whether I want to or not. I won't go into the why because it's not important. I just find it funny that you actually think not having a relationship will drive you crazy. As far as I know, I'm not crazy.smokin

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Mon 03/15/10 02:10 PM


A relationship isn't a 'need' - it's a 'want.'
Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Because nature would disagree with you. Relationships are fundamental in human needs, and from the moment that you are born, until the day you die you will be in many types of relationships. It's how the human race survives. It's embedded in our DNA. Those that choose to force themselves to never have a relationship with other human beings tend to go off the deep end - can you say unabomber? Fear of intimacy - (relationship phobia) is actually a psychological condition, it's like being afraid of falling in love or as it's known Philophobia. You can choose to not be in a relationship for a period of time, but sooner or later it will start tapping you on the shoulder again.... smokin


Needs: Food, water, shelter...these are primary. I'm sure a relationship falls into the secondary category, if even. We don't need a relationship, what you are failing to distinguish is the difference between a relationship and social interaction...we need social interaction.

Everything is a psychological condition anymore, really pathetic if you think about it. If you watch too much TV you have a psychological condition, too much of anything is now classed as a psychological condition. Can't just be that maybe someone enjoys it? No, they have a pill for that now.

Just as much as people are controlled by medication, we are just as controlled by stupid conditions classified under the simplest of things.

In end, you killed any chance of me taking your opinion seriously when you mentioned psychological conditions.

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Mon 03/15/10 02:30 PM

In end, you killed any chance of me taking your opinion seriously when you mentioned psychological conditions.
Oh well that's easy to fix, simply pick up a psychology book laugh

There are many variables to this but generally this webpage covers it well enough (and remember, google is your friend if you need more information):

http://behavioural-psychology.suite101.com/article.cfm/defining_fear_of_intimacy

"Defining fear of intimacy may be different from person to person, but there is an underlying theme. Fear of intimacy involves caring about another person as much as you care about yourself, which leaves you vulnerable and open to rejection, hurt and betrayal.

Fear of Intimacy Is about Self-protection.

When you fear intimacy, you may be afraid of being consumed by another person, or being submersed in their personality or world. Fear of intimacy often involves a struggle to keep yourself separate from another person. You don’t want to lose yourself, so you hold back. Fear of intimacy can be physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual. In fact, it can involve all four levels of being, though it may be more prominent in one area or another. It can be commitment phobia or a general distance from other human beings.

You can struggle with a fear of intimacy or emotional distance even if you’re married or in a long-term relationship. You can fear intimacy and be emotionally distant or mentally isolated even if you have children and grandchildren.

Fear of intimacy is about protecting yourself.

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Mon 03/15/10 02:35 PM

In end, you killed any chance of me taking your opinion seriously when you mentioned psychological conditions.

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Mon 03/15/10 05:59 PM

I just find it funny that you actually think not having a relationship will drive you crazy.
...and yet here you are, on a dating site, forming relationships of varying kinds with people. Weird.

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Mon 03/15/10 06:53 PM

Needs: Food, water, shelter...these are primary. I'm sure a relationship falls into the secondary category, if even. We don't need a relationship

As noted by the many references below, I was not posting opinion, you were fearandloathing. It sounds like you were deeply hurt at one time, and for that I am very sorry. It also appears that you've never studied psychology, but before we get into debating that lets clear up your 'social interaction' comment. Whether you realize it or not those all fall under the heading of relationships. Don't believe me, open a dictionary:

relationship: ▸ noun: a state of connectedness between people; noun: a state involving mutual dealings between people or parties or countries; ▸ noun: a relation between people.

All mentally healthy people require relationships with other people. Everyone that has studied psychology 101 knows this as being called "Maslow's Hierarchy of needs".

Simply stated:

"Humans need to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance, whether it comes from a large social group, such as clubs, office culture, religious groups, professional organizations, sports teams, gangs ("Safety in numbers"), or small social connections (family members, intimate partners, mentors, close colleagues, confidants). They need to love and be loved (sexually and non-sexually) by others. In the absence of these elements, many people become susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety, and clinical depression. This need for belonging can often overcome the physiological and security needs, depending on the strength of the peer pressure."

"According to the study researchers, the fact that early romantic love is associated with neural activity in a brain region responsible for our most basic human needs shows that early romantic love is an “important evolutionary reproductive strategy.” It also provides a biological explanation for the intense drive associated with passionate love—explaining why, for example, some people contemplate stalking or suicide when rejected. "

"According to the renowned psychologist Abraham Maslow and the conflict scholar John Burton, these essentials go beyond just food, water, and shelter. They include both physical and non-physical elements needed for human growth and development, as well as all those things humans are innately driven to attain. link"

The famed American psychologist Harry Harlow proved in the 1950's that from birth, babies need to be in a relationship or they will have severe psychological and/or physical problems later. This is the whole reason why when a woman is giving birth her Oxytocin levels goes up. Without it she would not want to bond with the baby and the human race would become extinct in short order. It's also why nature makes those same hormones (Oxytocin) rise during sex.






RESOURCES:
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Fisher H. Why We Love: The Nature and Chemistry of Romantic Love . New York, NY: Owl Books; 2005.
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Mon 03/15/10 07:31 PM

In end, you killed any chance of me taking your opinion seriously when you mentioned psychological conditions.

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Tue 03/16/10 07:01 AM

Is it so wrong to just want to find someone who
likes playin' with the 'pink bits' ... ? I'm so easy ...

Has anyone suggested the priesthood?

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Tue 03/16/10 07:38 AM


You need to be attracted to a person for a relationship...
Not true. Lots of arranged marriages back in 'da day' that worked out fine... in fact there is less divorce in arranged marriages. Not condoning them, but saying that you "need" attraction is just something that some people blindly tell themselves. It's like the old saying "do you want to be right or do you want to be happy"..... smokin


Speaking for myself only, there has to be some sort of attraction there. Otherwise, we're just going to be friends.

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Tue 03/16/10 07:40 AM



You need to be attracted to a person for a relationship...
Not true. Lots of arranged marriages back in 'da day' that worked out fine... in fact there is less divorce in arranged marriages. Not condoning them, but saying that you "need" attraction is just something that some people blindly tell themselves. It's like the old saying "do you want to be right or do you want to be happy"..... smokin


Speaking for myself only, there has to be some sort of attraction there. Otherwise, we're just going to be friends.


Very true, At this point I will be happy to have one or two GREAT friends as opposed to a mediocre partner though.

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Tue 03/16/10 08:06 AM
I have dated guys from one extreme to the other as far as looks and personality. It all depends on what caught my eye at the time. No one knows what is best for them then the one there at the time.

Regardless what works for one does not always work for the next one. We learn as we go along..........

Now I'm looking for that happy medium that one that can make me laugh but as well makes me feel wanted in the end the one we seem to click and enjoy a lot of the same things... But..........don't kid yourself for they still have to be the one when you look at them you want to be with them as well.............there is no way around what makes each person happy..................One should never settle.......noway


To me there are no Certain Types hell I would fit in too many category's.... a little here a little there go with what makes you happy regardless what anyone else thinks....bigsmile

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Tue 03/16/10 12:22 PM

I have dated guys from one extreme to the other as far as looks and personality. It all depends on what caught my eye at the time. No one knows what is best for them then the one there at the time.

Regardless what works for one does not always work for the next one. We learn as we go along..........

Now I'm looking for that happy medium that one that can make me laugh but as well makes me feel wanted in the end the one we seem to click and enjoy a lot of the same things... But..........don't kid yourself for they still have to be the one when you look at them you want to be with them as well.............there is no way around what makes each person happy..................One should never settle.......noway


To me there are no Certain Types hell I would fit in too many category's.... a little here a little there go with what makes you happy regardless what anyone else thinks....bigsmile


:thumbsup:

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Fri 03/19/10 12:33 PM
Edited by LeighAnna9 on Fri 03/19/10 12:34 PM


I just find it funny that you actually think not having a relationship will drive you crazy.
...and yet here you are, on a dating site, forming relationships of varying kinds with people. Weird.


If you believe that sitting around making random posts to strangers- that I've never met and never will- on a computer-generated forum actually constitutes a "relationship," that's up to you, you're entitled to your opinion. However, I am also entitled to mine, and in my opinion, unless you actually meet someone in person and get to know them in person, it's not a "relationship," it's a fantasy, which does work for some people. I admit for a while, I did think as you do, I believed you could have a relationship with someone you've never met, but I've learned that's false due to my experience. I am not belittling anyone else's online relationship, if it works for you, great, but in my experience, it's not real.

You, and everyone else on here, only know about me what I choose to let you know about me. For all you know, I could be anyone. I could be the world's greatest actor and liar, you have no idea. I could tell you the most wonderful things to get you to like me, and then tell you the most horrible things to get you to hate me; I'm a writer, so I'm pretty good with words. I've also been lucky (unlucky?) to have known some of the biggest liars who ever lived, so I've gotten pretty good at it.

So again, in my opinion, I do not need relationships in order to live, I might desire one to enrich my life, but I do not need one. I lived in a small town in Iowa for over 10 years, and I was involved in one "relationship" that quickly went to ****. It lasted 5 months. The rest of the time, I had none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. I'm not dead, I'm not crazy, I'm not suicidal or homicidal. I'm weird and quirky and I talk too much, but that's true of many people, relationship, or not. If and when I decide I do want one, I'll go out into the real world and get one, where I'm pretty much guaranteed that who I think I'm talking to really is that person and he or she might be telling the truth about who they are and what they want out of life. They might not be just "killing time" or "marking time" until their next interesting experience comes along. That's what I've found in all of the online "relationships" I've been unfortunate enough to let myself get involved in. If your experiences have been positive, I'm glad for you, but mine have not.

I'm off this thread now, I just came back to post that to you. But feel free trying to convince everyone (and possibly yourself) that you will expire from not being in a relationship with other humans, you'll never convince me of that, but whatever helps you sleep at night can't be all bad. Cheers.drinker

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Fri 03/19/10 12:40 PM
Edited by AngelArs on Fri 03/19/10 12:41 PM

If you believe that sitting around making random posts to strangers- that I've never met and never will- on a computer-generated forum actually constitutes a "relationship," that's up to you
No... actually that's up to a dictionary.... :wink:















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Fri 03/19/10 12:47 PM



I just find it funny that you actually think not having a relationship will drive you crazy.
...and yet here you are, on a dating site, forming relationships of varying kinds with people. Weird.


If you believe that sitting around making random posts to strangers- that I've never met and never will- on a computer-generated forum actually constitutes a "relationship," that's up to you, you're entitled to your opinion. However, I am also entitled to mine, and in my opinion, unless you actually meet someone in person and get to know them in person, it's not a "relationship," it's a fantasy, which does work for some people. I admit for a while, I did think as you do, I believed you could have a relationship with someone you've never met, but I've learned that's false due to my experience. I am not belittling anyone else's online relationship, if it works for you, great, but in my experience, it's not real.

You, and everyone else on here, only know about me what I choose to let you know about me. For all you know, I could be anyone. I could be the world's greatest actor and liar, you have no idea. I could tell you the most wonderful things to get you to like me, and then tell you the most horrible things to get you to hate me; I'm a writer, so I'm pretty good with words. I've also been lucky (unlucky?) to have known some of the biggest liars who ever lived, so I've gotten pretty good at it.

So again, in my opinion, I do not need relationships in order to live, I might desire one to enrich my life, but I do not need one. I lived in a small town in Iowa for over 10 years, and I was involved in one "relationship" that quickly went to ****. It lasted 5 months. The rest of the time, I had none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. I'm not dead, I'm not crazy, I'm not suicidal or homicidal. I'm weird and quirky and I talk too much, but that's true of many people, relationship, or not. If and when I decide I do want one, I'll go out into the real world and get one, where I'm pretty much guaranteed that who I think I'm talking to really is that person and he or she might be telling the truth about who they are and what they want out of life. They might not be just "killing time" or "marking time" until their next interesting experience comes along. That's what I've found in all of the online "relationships" I've been unfortunate enough to let myself get involved in. If your experiences have been positive, I'm glad for you, but mine have not.

I'm off this thread now, I just came back to post that to you. But feel free trying to convince everyone (and possibly yourself) that you will expire from not being in a relationship with other humans, you'll never convince me of that, but whatever helps you sleep at night can't be all bad. Cheers.drinker


I may not meet most of the people I chat with here, but I have formed friendships (one type of relationship) with some people. I have met a few friends in the past and plan to meet another one soon. I'm not necessarily expecting to find someone to date here, but I'm happy with getting to know the people I have so far and am happy to make friends.

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Fri 03/19/10 01:02 PM

I may not meet most of the people I chat with here, but I have formed friendships (one type of relationship) with some people. I'm not necessarily expecting to find someone to date here, but I'm happy with getting to know the people I have so far and am happy to make friends.
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Fri 03/19/10 02:10 PM


A relationship isn't a 'need' - it's a 'want.'
Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Because nature would disagree with you. Relationships are fundamental in human needs, and from the moment that you are born, until the day you die you will be in many types of relationships. It's how the human race survives. It's embedded in our DNA. Those that choose to force themselves to never have a relationship with other human beings tend to go off the deep end - can you say unabomber? Fear of intimacy - (relationship phobia) is actually a psychological condition, it's like being afraid of falling in love or as it's known Philophobia. You can choose to not be in a relationship for a period of time, but sooner or later it will start tapping you on the shoulder again.... smokin



I couldn't say it better. :smile:

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Fri 03/19/10 02:16 PM

One thing that'll help people on the single road, is to realize that "types" are overrated. Yes, there is always going to be a certain physical or personality characteristic that you will be inevitably drawn to, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give people without those characteristics a chance. Your heart is going to be drawn to whatever it feels the most connected to, and more often than not, you can't control that. What do you say, why not let your heart decide?


I am finding that using my heart is yeilding better results these days. In the past, I've 'used my head' right out of what very well could have been some really great connections.

It's about chemistry afterall. You may discover what might be the most awesome person on paper that you can be set up with, but then find that you both bore the heck out of each other.