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Edited by
MiddleEarthling
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At least 5 major extinctions before, and maybe a few more to go.
Do we need to rethink our energy choices? Yes! Rethink how we have treated the environment? Yes! Where I live now used to be under a mile of glacier.....and where I lived at the edge of the foothills in Colorado used to be under water. |
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Edited by
cashu
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Hey..in case you didn't pay any attention at all in grade school science class.... Glaciers move forward and RECEDE on a regular basis. OMG!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Chicken Little is SOOOOO fitting....lol if you don't understand yet. your arguing with a dim witted illiberal and not a thing anyone says well crack that rockhead .. we can all be glad when he's frozen to death. the really funny thing about what they say is they keep talking about what we should be doing with our oil . I bet the only oil or gas they own is in the junk car they own . |
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Hey..in case you didn't pay any attention at all in grade school science class.... Glaciers move forward and RECEDE on a regular basis. OMG!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Chicken Little is SOOOOO fitting....lol Im going to be laughing when these climate hoaxers are marched in front of a judge and charged under the RICO statute.. It's coming... Oh Yes... The climate hoaxers will go to jail.. |
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I believe the argument is that whatever "natural" climate change is occurring is being amplified by humankind's emissions, pollution, and deforestation. You cannot deny that this is having a serious impact in the destablization of global climate. The accelerated rate of something that should take thousands of years is happening in a couple hundred. How do you explain that? Coincidence?
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Big Al, the liars Pal, has been at it for twenty tears. It’s very unusual he has been able to stretch a lie for twenty years, but he is just about to come to the end of his rope.
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Go into the smallest room of your house, more than likely the bathroom,and close the door and window. It's probably comfortable. You could even have a smoke in there and it would not be too bad. Now start adding people, some of them smoking. Some of them just breathing heavy. Keep adding people. How long do you think it would be before the room became too hot and too smoke filled for you to breath?
The earth is a very small room. And it's getting smaller. |
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Hey..in case you didn't pay any attention at all in grade school science class.... Glaciers move forward and RECEDE on a regular basis. OMG!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Chicken Little is SOOOOO fitting....lol Im going to be laughing when these climate hoaxers are marched in front of a judge and charged under the RICO statute.. It's coming... Oh Yes... The climate hoaxers will go to jail.. Now that's a stretch...funny we don't see the nutbaggers wanting to charge the Dippic, Chainy et.al. for this mess we're in. No accountability what-so-ever. And this is not Trick or Treat...lol...'hoaxers'...lol. Who loses if this is a lie? (which it isn't): Big Coal and Oil...the worst thing that could come of all this is a cleaner planet...but the proven reality is that IF we do nothing future generations will look back at our generation and say, "what a bunch of arseholes". |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Wed 02/17/10 05:30 PM
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Go into the smallest room of your house, more than likely the bathroom,and close the door and window. It's probably comfortable. You could even have a smoke in there and it would not be too bad. Now start adding people, some of them smoking. Some of them just breathing heavy. Keep adding people. How long do you think it would be before the room became too hot and too smoke filled for you to breath? The earth is a very small room. And it's getting smaller. Ever seen the planet from sattelite images? Not zoomed but regular view. Earth is covered by 70% oceans, only 30% dry land. From ground zero- to reach the highest point of our globe's layer called the thermosphere, it starts 80 miles above and reaches to 237 miles, before we leave the Earth's athmosphere completely. From the point of view of the sizes of heavenly bodies (planets, stars, moons) we are about the size of a bacteria, much like you'd look under the microscope and find bacteria literally swarming by the billions on any natural object you can think of. Not to mention, each planet with a somewhat of an athmosphere keeps in balance with the chemical changes in its composition and always balances it out. The only possible way to virtually "destroy" our athmosphere is by either colliding our planet with a similar sized planet or throw it off from the orbit and push it closer to the Sun, where the our radiation shield will be overwhelmed by the Sun's radiation. Us - having all the chimneys and cars and every machine or activity that produces some sort of gas is about 1/100000 of emission of a major volcanic eruption. The closest and most dangerous activity which could harm our atmosphere the most would be blowing up thermonuclear bombs continuously, so if you want to save the atmosphere, you better off telling all the nuclear armed nations to stop and never do it again. So no, it's nothing like smoking and breathing in a room whatsoever. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Wed 02/17/10 05:30 PM
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Delivered to you by a Noble Piece Prize wiener.
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Wed 02/17/10 05:40 PM
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Athmospheric changes supposed to be researched by astronomers and physicists, chemists, and geologists not charlatan 1-time politicians like Al Gore or those who wants to get profit out of taxing the people on fear.
I wholeheartedly recommend the following links, which are not mentioned in any country, where the "global warming" agenda took a foothold. Earth-type planetary atmospheres http://miskolczi.webs.com/ The greenhouse effect and the spectral decomposition of the clear-sky terrestrial radiation http://met.hu/idojaras/IDOJARAS_vol108_No4_01.pdf F. Miskolczi: Greenhouse effect in semi-transparent planetary atmospheres. http://met.hu/idojaras/IDOJARAS_vol111_No1_01.pdf Of course, to fully comprehend those studies, you have to be a physicist and scientists at least on a Phd. level, since it's not a black/white issue as the charlatans make it out to be. Here is the only article ever to surface from his studies: Researcher: Basic Greenhouse Equations "Totally Wrong" New derivation of equations governing the greenhouse effect reveals "runaway warming" impossible
Miklós Zágoni isn't just a physicist and environmental researcher. He is also a global warming activist and Hungary's most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol. Or was. That was until he learned the details of a new theory of the greenhouse effect, one that not only gave far more accurate climate predictions here on Earth, but Mars too. The theory was developed by another Hungarian scientist, Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist with 30 years of experience and a former researcher with NASA's Langley Research Center. After studying it, Zágoni stopped calling global warming a crisis, and has instead focused on presenting the new theory to other climatologists. The data fit extremely well. "I fell in love," he stated at the International Climate Change Conference this week. "Runaway greenhouse theories contradict energy balance equations," Miskolczi states. Just as the theory of relativity sets an upper limit on velocity, his theory sets an upper limit on the greenhouse effect, a limit which prevents it from warming the Earth more than a certain amount. How did modern researchers make such a mistake? They relied upon equations derived over 80 years ago, equations which left off one term from the final solution. Miskolczi's story reads like a book. Looking at a series of differential equations for the greenhouse effect, he noticed the solution -- originally done in 1922 by Arthur Milne, but still used by climate researchers today -- ignored boundary conditions by assuming an "infinitely thick" atmosphere. Similar assumptions are common when solving differential equations; they simplify the calculations and often result in a result that still very closely matches reality. But not always. So Miskolczi re-derived the solution, this time using the proper boundary conditions for an atmosphere that is not infinite. His result included a new term, which acts as a negative feedback to counter the positive forcing. At low levels, the new term means a small difference ... but as greenhouse gases rise, the negative feedback predominates, forcing values back down. NASA refused to release the results. Miskolczi believes their motivation is simple. "Money", he tells DailyTech. Research that contradicts the view of an impending crisis jeopardizes funding, not only for his own atmosphere-monitoring project, but all climate-change research. Currently, funding for climate research tops $5 billion per year. Miskolczi resigned in protest, stating in his resignation letter, "Unfortunately my working relationship with my NASA supervisors eroded to a level that I am not able to tolerate. My idea of the freedom of science cannot coexist with the recent NASA practice of handling new climate change related scientific results." His theory was eventually published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in his home country of Hungary. The conclusions are supported by research published in the Journal of Geophysical Research last year from Steven Schwartz of Brookhaven National Labs, who gave statistical evidence that the Earth's response to carbon dioxide was grossly overstated. It also helps to explain why current global climate models continually predict more warming than actually measured. The equations also answer thorny problems raised by current theory, which doesn't explain why "runaway" greenhouse warming hasn't happened in the Earth's past. The new theory predicts that greenhouse gas increases should result in small, but very rapid temperature spikes, followed by much longer, slower periods of cooling -- exactly what the paleoclimatic record demonstrates. However, not everyone is convinced. Dr. Stephen Garner, with the NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL), says such negative feedback effects are "not very plausible". Reto Ruedy of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies says greenhouse theory is "200 year old science" and doubts the possibility of dramatic changes to the basic theory. Miskowlczi has used his theory to model not only Earth, but the Martian atmosphere as well, showing what he claims is an extremely good fit with observational results. For now, the data for Venus is too limited for similar analysis, but Miskolczi hopes it will one day be possible. http://www.dailytech.com/Researcher+Basic+Greenhouse+Equations+Totally+Wrong/article10973.htm |
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I believe the argument is that whatever "natural" climate change is occurring is being amplified by humankind's emissions, pollution, and deforestation. You cannot deny that this is having a serious impact in the destablization of global climate. The accelerated rate of something that should take thousands of years is happening in a couple hundred. How do you explain that? Coincidence? Destabilization of global climate? What exactly does that mean? |
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I still cannot think of one good reason to try to stop people from making the earth a more healthy place to live.
We will either pay and do it now or pay more and do it later because it is going to have to be done. |
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Hey..in case you didn't pay any attention at all in grade school science class.... Glaciers move forward and RECEDE on a regular basis. OMG!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Chicken Little is SOOOOO fitting....lol Im going to be laughing when these climate hoaxers are marched in front of a judge and charged under the RICO statute.. It's coming... Oh Yes... The climate hoaxers will go to jail.. Now that's a stretch...funny we don't see the nutbaggers wanting to charge the Dippic, Chainy et.al. for this mess we're in. No accountability what-so-ever. And this is not Trick or Treat...lol...'hoaxers'...lol. Who loses if this is a lie? (which it isn't): Big Coal and Oil...the worst thing that could come of all this is a cleaner planet...but the proven reality is that IF we do nothing future generations will look back at our generation and say, "what a bunch of arseholes". See.. that is the thing.. History is on our side.. 4 billion years of climate change that came long before man. You have a bunch of quacks that did it for monetary gain, and have no real concern for saving anything but their fat research grants and making their friends rich.. That's all it is.. It will come out sooner than later, and I'll be laughing.. And I won't forget who was pimping it.. |
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Edited by
crickstergo
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Fri 02/19/10 06:55 PM
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"Global warming and the antifactwads"........yeah, on the global warming side
TOP UN Climate Change Official RESIGNS...... http://mingle2.com/topic/show/266217 |
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"Global warming and the antifactwads"........yeah, on the global warming side TOP UN Climate Change Official RESIGNS...... http://mingle2.com/topic/show/266217 Oh, so now were getting barbs from Jim Inhofe's friends who will lie to protect his oil industry pals... "← Feedback systems … a key to a better energy future? Investing in Energy Smart Solutions → Lovley Display of Scientific Ignorance November 25th, 2008 · Politico published a science story by Erika Lovley so bad that, well, there is no legitimate reason to post directly to it directly as opposed to Joe Romm with New media same as the old media. Politico pimps global cooling for Hill deniers, David Roberts with Politico’s journalist malpractice, The Way Things Break with “Scientists” and the media (a far too mild title for the circumstances), Steve Benen on “The Gore Effect”, and Brad Johnson with Politico’s Erika Lovley Promotes Toxic Stupity About Global Warming. If you have the stomach for it, you can get to Lovley’s display of scientific ignorance through these posts. But, first, don’t those titles start to give you a taste for just how bad a job she did with this piece? In short, Lovley lovingly lays a case for imaginery concerns about whether global warming is really something to be concerned about, that there is a: “growing accumulation of global cooling science and other findings that could signal that the science behind global warming may still be too shaky to warrant cap-and-trade legislation.” Hmmm, might be worthy to actually cite in the discussion reputable climate scientists, no? However, that seemed beyond Erika’s rolodex with the dominant stream being global warming denier after denier. As Brad Johnson put it, Lovley unquestioningly quotes extremist denier Joseph D’Aleo, Sen. Jim Inhofe’s (R-OK) aide Marc Morano, and Cato Institute fellow Patrick Michaels in a piece littered with bald assertions and slanders against the scientific community without any basis in reality. Reality, it is hard to see the basis for this article. Perhaps we should simply count Erika’s works as not science writing, but science fiction. But, in that case it would be an insult to the vast mass of science fiction writers who have some association with reality and real facts somewhere in their work. This travesty of an excuse for journalism is truly difficult to explain. Payments from the right-wind sound machine or the fossil-fuel industry? A job application with Senator Inhofe (R-EXXON)? Perhaps a writing sample for The Onion? " http://getenergysmartnow.com/2008/11/25/lovley-display-of-scientific-ignorance/ All the usual suspects with their parrots on thier shoulder... |
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The top Un climate change official has resigned over the global warming controversy....the data is NOT CONSISTENT.
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The top Un climate change official has resigned over the global warming controversy....the data is NOT CONSISTENT. Yet another lie...very consistant these days, I guess that's why some people cannot reference a point, the guy had been planning to step down. "Mr de Boer acknowledged that the failure of rich and poor nations to agree at the recent negotiations was frustrating. But he insisted that the Accord had at least begun the process of reducing greenhouse gases." "It is quite bad news he is quitting at this point because the world is in desperate need for a reliable pair of hands to get through this dark period where climate change negotiations are under assault from anti-science deniers, by the Climategate furore and by the US Senate. I think he is very likely to be going because he has had enough. Because the whole process is unravelling at this point." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/7264314/Yvo-de-Boer-quits-UN-climate-change-body.html Let's go down memory lane: "Published on Sunday, June 12, 2005 by Agence France Presse White House Official Resigns After Climate Documents Flap by Torcuil Crichton A senior White House official involved in a damaging controversy over his deleting of dire climate change warnings from US government reports has abruptly resigned, but the White House denies his departure had anything to do with the flap. Philip Cooney, chief of staff of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, stepped down Friday without disclosing his future employment plans, announced presidential spokeswoman Erin Healy. "He has accumulated many weeks on leave, and so he decided to resign and take the summer off to spend some time with his family," Healy told AFP. She added the resignation was "completely unrelated" to the release of documents this past week that show Cooney had given a thorough editing to US government documents on global warming -- in what appeared to be an effort to make them look less dramatic. "Mr. Cooney has been long considering options following four years of service in the administration," the spokeswoman said. The disclosure, however, turned into a diplomatic embarrassment for the White House because it came hours after President George W. Bush assured visiting British Prime Minister Tony Blair that his administration was viewing global warming as a "serious long-term" problem that it was determined to solve. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0612-04.htm |
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Considering that global warming/climate change will cause odd weather all around the world.
We are seeing some pretty odd weather these days. The proof is right in front of people. |
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