Outside entities are not needed to identify evil or good as it only exists in us.

Yep.... but it is a Fact, not a conspiracy that Osama was trained by and worked for the CIA. Its just not a publicized fact.

Also, If God is "all powerful" and Satan really is the enemy, God would not permit him to exist.

I would not doubt it, the middle east has been so convoluted over all these years.

I agree with the god thing too.

indeed, not one human brain, could know how rape was not most good, or torture was not most good, or malicious intent was not most good, or greed was not most good, racism was not most good, or bigotry was not most good, unless ALL HUMAN THINGS, had been propelled from the womb, to live in a "pre-existing" environment, where all such things indeed existed in "true actuality, not having been just "heard or told about", and certainly it cannot be missed, there would not nor could not without such things, be any point of reference created in the human brain, simply and totally needed to create balanced intelligence, or two sides of a coin, a true existing actual negative, and a true existing actual positive???

so, should one thank it's "lucky stars", itself did not volunteer to bestow upon mankind, the "knowing" of the most evil of deeds, lol....

it would seem so, as how the hell else could anything know what it know, if it really see into what it take to "create" what one actually know, instead of having just heard about it, for what could actually "feel" the impact of such things, lest in had to walk as human for a very short time and spell, before it return to it's perpetual self, or higher self, that since it now "know's", no such things are NEEDED amore, lol....

Our lives would then be pointless if the devil did not exist. People "EARN" their presence in Heaven. So how hard would it be to earn your way into heaven if there was no obsticle?... but nevertheless that is not why the devil is here. God gave the devil power on earth as to show satan that God truely is more powerful then satan. This all started when Satan grew an ego and was proclaiming to be greater then God, so God gave Satan a chance to see how powerful God really was and still is. But still nevertheless without Satan heaven wouldn't be necassarily a reward, would just be where everyone went after they pass away on earth, thus then making our existance here pointless when God could just creat us in heaven. So therefore the devil is needed to cause troubles and give everyone the chance of choose who they want to follow and give them obsticles to climb to again EARN there presence in heaven.

have ye not figured out yet satan be human's that grow an ego, and think their better than each other, as remember, remember, remember, it also said, all are gods, and all are child gods???

child gods being the ego, adult gods those that decided such things as pride and ego were childish, and simply earn oneself it's own stupidity award....

for recall, it is also said "nothing" can earn it's way into heaven, lol....

just dump the notion that the self mind is supreme, and prove how outside environment, other people, are giving accurate feedback, of how and who self is, instead of always trying to prove to self and all other's how self be always correct....

for the mind that try to prove itself wise, make itself dumber each day, the mind that prove how outside data be accurate, get smarter each day....

in this such way, one's arens it's way to see a larger picture, than how to create it, right here, right now, not later, not past, but right now, for even science, brothers according to the good old book, speak of another realm, that exist, that humans "should" be able to access, and in this realm, past, present, and future are all as one, as of course, if one be a angel, a god, an alien, a vampire, it hath greater abiltiies, leeping from realm to realm....

shape shifters, leepers, always comin, always goin, can look like anything, male or female, animal or insect, bush or tree, as energy, as logos, be not restricted to prison of the body....

Assuming that this is not a rhetorical question. It says it in Romans, and there are other references.

Well - to begin with - christians don't save anybody. God redeems those who put their faith in Christ. Other than that, no one can do anything in the way of salvation for anyone else but themselves.

Another thing is - there's no stopping this "whole evil thing". The whole thing about Satan or the devil is that he is only "tempting" man - he's not comitting the acts. That's man himself doing the deed. Want to get rid of evil on the planet? Get rid of Man/Woman!

Actually - why do you say that without evil there is no Good? While I agree that without Good, there is no evil, it is not an associative relationship. These terms are not opposites in the sense that they are quantifyable. Evil is the absense of Good. It is good that is measured and determined - not evil. Much like there is only a measurement for light, and without the concept of light there would be no understanding of darkness - for darkness is the absence of light. The same can be said for Hot and Cold. We measure heat. We have no calibration for "cold" because theoretically - it does not exist.

"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (Revelation 20:10).

It was decided,, lost cause.

This is with out a doubt one of the dumbest debates I have ever heard in my entire life.Someone saying the Christians should be praying for Satan of all people!All evil in this world comes from Satan.The absured idea that we should pray for evil and Satan to be what???To somehow kneel before God and repent?It will never happen not in a million years.Evil only has one purpose in Gods eyes and that is to be destroyed.Christians must reject evil and Satan at all times and stay away from evil people who work in his name.Yes there are evil people who are under the hand of Satan and we must pray for them to convert to Christianity as Jesus said we should do.But we must never pray to Satan or his demons in Hell.His fate and those unbelievers who dwell with them are already set in stone and that fate is burning lake of fire forever and ever.

Satan is,was,and will always be the enemy of God.God said he must be destroyed along with all the evil of this world.Do not prey for the dead even if they were Christians or Saints.The bible says not to pray for the dead.Do not waste your time praying for lost causes.Concentrate on the people who have a chance to be saved,a chance to see Gods mercy and he will be pleased in your works.


Look and learn how Jesus treated a non believer.Furthing my idea that Jesus himself did not want to waste time talking to a person who belonged to a group of person who had no interest or faith in the bible.

Matthew 15:22

And lo! a woman of Canaan with her two sons, who had come forth out of her own country to find Jesus. Having therefore seen him come with his disciples, she cried out: 'Jesus, son of David, have mercy on my daughter, who is tormented of the devil!

Jesus did not answer even a single word, because they were of the uncircumcised people. The disciples were moved to pity, and said: 'O master, have pity on them! Behold how much they cry out and weep!'

Jesus answered: 'I am not sent but unto the people of Israel.' Then the woman, with her sons, went before Jesus, weeping and saying: 'O son of David, have mercy on me!' Jesus answered: 'It is not good to take the bread from the children's hands and give it to the dogs.' And this said Jesus by reason of their uncleanness, because they were of the un- circumcised people.

The woman answered: 'O Lord, the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then was Jesus seized with admiration at the words of the woman, and said: 'O woman, great is thy faith.' And having raised his hands to heaven he prayed to God, and then he said: 'O woman, thy daughter is freed, go thy way in peace.' The woman departed, and returning to her home found her daughter, who was blessing God.' Wherefore the woman said: 'Verily there is none other God than the God of Israel.' Whereupon all her kinsfolk joined themselves unto the law of [God], according to the law written in the book of Moses.

Why is that? Could you expound on that.

I thought I heard that Satan isn't doing that anymore and he did earn his wings back,,,,,, NO?????

That kind of thinking is what is at the root of all wars and all evil.

Everyone believes that his enemy is "evil." If he did not, then he would think himself a monster for killing his enemy. But the Bible also "allegedly" teaches or tells us to love our enemy.

You cannot destroy "evil" because "evil" is not a thing that exists. It is the absence of love and compassion. You cannot destroy darkness, you can only be a beacon of light.

According to Barnabus, Jesus told Peter that noone will reside in hell forever that eventually, everyone will get to heaven. No wonder the Catholics left this out.

Satan is an example of why there is no "Free Will" ....no matter what Satan does even if Satan accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior even if Satan decide to make God appear wrong by not participating in any evil or war ...God will force Satan into the battle of Armageddon in order to fullfill the prophecy of Revelations ...Satan has no choice but to do this because it is God that control his actions

this is why the only logical reason why an "all powerful" God would allow evil to exist ...is because the God is evil

what a bunch of easily decieved follower of hate and bigotry, which is to follow the "description" of satan???

anyone, who will allow a book to tell you, to convince you, your own fellow man is evil, be what is so easily decieved, as did it not say all man had come to earth for it's own love to be tested, to see what, or who, could make one forsake it's love of your own fellow man and families???

and to think, a book, written words on a page, with tales of it coming from something that would burn one in the afterlife, if one didn't pay homage to it, was all it took to get one to betray it's own fellow man, even many their own families, their own flesh and blood???,

awh, the jokes on the coward, the greaest hoax of human civilization, be on the believer, whom was willing to betray anything or anyone, that would stand in the way of saving oneself, lol....

is it not redily seen, only cowards give up their own loved one's, and fellow man as sacrifice's, unto some devil or satan, the writer of the book, to save their own hide....

whats the great temptor???

who's the great temptor???

the ****ing book, HELLO, ANYBODY HOME IN THERE!!!???

wow, it's gonna be a hell of a roast, that lake of fire, cause it sure seems like a whole lotta folks is just "dying" to get into those pearly gates, that lead only into the lake of fire....

damn, count on humans to do anything to get outta trouble, to try to get ahead, even in the afterlife, lol....

wow, even if it mean blame it on their own friends and offsrping, for being led by satan, lol....

poor saps, so gullible....

i sure know nobody in this forum would ever be so gullible, like those damn suicide bomber's, ****ing do anything to ensure themself a front row seat, at the big ticket event, the big grand afterlife ball, where floor to ceiling thermal pane heat resistant windows allow all to watch as the souls roast, lol...

It is necessary for us humans, with our finite minds, to have deities personified so that we can relate to them. It is impossible for us to relate and connect to a unknowable energy or creative force. So we create gods and goddesses and representatives of good and evil that we can comprehend and use in our day to day lives. And, why is that a bad thing? Who cares if it gets the job done? The only problems arises when one group decides they must subject another group by force or fear to hold to the same belief system.

If Christians want to have a Satan, let them. I see no reason whatsoever to question them on their belief system. There's no reason to ask "why do Christians do this or that?". They just do. Leave them alone.

in case one has not noticed, ALL AND ONLY ****ING HUMANS CONTROL THIS PLANET, AND THE DESTINY OF HUMAN MANKIND, so it does matter, if something can make people hate each other, and kill each other, and rape each other, and torture each other.....

please, the thinking there was a devil, and god, was what created all such things called evil in the beginning, as it created a mentality that if one ****ed up "too bad", well, what the ****, im gonna burn in hell anyways, so why not take out a few cops first, and why not rape that chick down the street, as ****, im going to hell anyhow...

and the thinking that all one need do is confess how it ****ed up to "god', to be forgiven...

if the motivation to undo self's own harmful behaviour, is eliminated by a belief in god or satan, than it is against the love of fellow man, and the self preservation of the human spieces, period!!!

and then we got the families, ripped apart, with the likes of im gonna have to get a new wife, cause this one is full of satan, and she supposed to b submissive, and she's not, so i have to make her, so the bruises just had to be, for she was out of gods will....

and parents that tell their own children they are of satan, and the devil, lol....

to even tell a child about the devil and god is self defeating, and border on the crimminal, for such HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEARNING TO CARE FOR EACH AND ALL OF IT'S OWN FELLOW SPIECES AS EQUAL'S....

THE BOOK ITSELF HAS CREATED THE FIRST PREMISE THAT THERE WAS SOME UNEQUALITY, CANNOT THAT BE SEEN....

without equal, all perish, as a world with the size of our population will destroy itself if equality is not maintained and established, or tyranny and rogue leaders will govern and turn the world into hitler days but worse again....

leave it alone???

not on ur ****ing life, cause it's my life, and everybodys life, that it effect....

Then you're going to have to attack every organized religion on the planet because they all do that.