Topic: Skeptoid --Vaccine Ingredients | |
---|---|
Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
on
Thu 12/03/09 04:29 PM
|
|
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4180
Vaccine Ingredients
Do vaccines really contain the horrifying poisons claimed by antivaccine activists? You should follow me on twitter here. Skeptoid #180 November 17, 2009 Podcast transcript | Listen | Subscribe Bookmark and Share Today we're going to point our skeptical eye at some of the claims made by antivaccine activists, in particular, their lists of frightening chemicals and other dangerous toxins they say are included in vaccines. As it's an important topic and is increasingly in the public eye, we don't want to dismiss these claims out of hand. Rather, we want to have a handy working knowledge of the basics so we're better prepared to deal with such rhetoric when it comes up. You don't have to go to the antivaccine web sites to find this horrifying list of witch's-brew ingredients. The Centers for Disease Control publishes a detailed list of every additive in every vaccine, sorted both by ingredient and by vaccine. I run my eye down this official list: formaldehyde, aluminum phosphate, ammonium sulfate, bovine extract, thimerosal, amino acids, even monkey kidney tissue. This list is published by the very same government that's assuring us these vaccines are safe. How can that be? Does this mean the antivaccine activists are right, and vaccines are indeed loaded with deadly toxins? This is a case where cooler heads need to prevail. First, let's start with the premise that every cell of your body is made up of a huge number of chemical compounds, all of which have scary-sounding chemical names. Therefore, we can derive that scary-sounding chemical names, by themselves, are not to be feared. Cooler heads might choose to allow for the possibility that these scary chemicals are added to vaccines because they serve some useful purpose. When you're exposed to a pathogen, it irritates your body. This irritation is what provokes your immune system to respond, and produce antibodies to fight the pathogen. Vaccines work the same way. They simulate the pathogen in order to produce to right irritation. To prepare your body with the right antibodies to fight some anticipated future pathogen, it's a necessary and expected step for the vaccine to provoke your immune system with a carefully planned challenge. So when you hear antivaxxers charge that vaccines are harmful and irritating, that's quite true, but it's for an important reason and it's very deliberately controlled. This attack on your body to provoke an immunological response is the way vaccines work. It's the way your immune system rolls. You don't strengthen your immune system by eating vitamins or drinking wheatgrass juice or doing yoga or having a coffee enema; you strengthen it by challenging it to respond. So now that we understand that a vaccine is not pretending to be a shot of Mickey Mouse sunshine, let's take a look at some of these frightening sounding ingredients: Formaldehyde Absolutely true. Formaldehyde sounds scary because we see dead animals preserved in jars of it in museums. One of its uses is to sterilize things, and this is why small drops of it are added to some vaccines. Without such sterilization, a vial of vaccine might become contaminated while it's sitting on the shelf. Formaldehyde is used because it's naturally found in the human body, as it's a normal byproduct of digestion and metabolism. When you receive a vaccine shot that was sterilized with formaldehyde, you already have much more of it in your bloodstream than you get from the shot. All of this formaldehyde is easily broken down chemically simply because your body is an aqueous environment, and it's harmlessly discharged every day. Antifreeze This one is simply untrue. Antifreeze, the poisonous substance used in your car's engine, is ethylene glycol. Because it's so poisonous, antifreeze is not used in food processing or medical equipment, and certainly not in vaccines or other drugs. A less toxic form of antifreeze is propylene glycol, which is not in vaccines either. What is used in some is 2-phenoxyethanol. It's an antibacterial agent used in many vaccines to sterilize them, and also used in wound care as a topical antibacterial. The confusion with antifreeze probably comes from the fact that both are part of the glycol ether family of hydrocarbons, but they are not the same thing. Mercury This is the most common claim, and it's the one you've probably heard the most about, so I won't spend much time on it. Some vaccines (but no scheduled childhood vaccines) are preserved with thimerosal, which contains ethylmercury. Elemental mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin, but when it's bound as an organic ethyl, it's easily filtered out of your body by your kidneys and is quickly discharged. This is one reason thimerosal has always been such a safe and popular preservative, and it's still found in many products. Mercury can also be bound as a methyl, which is different, and is much harder for your body to filter out. But fear not; no vaccines or thimerosal ever contained methylmercury, and this scaremongering has no plausible foundation. Latex Rubber This one is also completely untrue. Latex is not, in any way, part of any vaccine, and never has been. The source of this claim is the fact that a lot of medical equipment, like syringes and packages, contain latex. Alternatives are always available for people with severe latex allergies. This is a common issue for such people, and has no specific relevance to vaccines whatsoever. Hydrochloric Acid Scary sounding, and true. If you pour hydrochloric acid on your skin, you get burned, because your skin is pH balanced. But if you add acid to something that's alkaline, acid brings it back into balance. Hydrochloric acid is used in many industries to bring compounds that are too alkaline to the desired pH level, and the pharmaceutical industry is no different. Some vaccines, once the active ingredients are all added, may be too alkaline; and if injected like that, would cause an adverse reaction. Hydrochloric acid brings the vaccine down to your blood's normal pH level of about 7.4. Hydrochloric acid is also the primary digestive acid produced in your stomach, so it's no stranger to the human body. Aluminum Aluminum, in various forms, is added to vaccines as an adjutant. An adjutant is like a catalyst for the desired irritation, making the challenge even more annoying for your body. It's supposed to be there, on purpose, to make your body react even more strongly. More antibodies are created as a result of the more provocative challenge. Remember: Mickey Mouse sunshine and roses do nothing. Aluminum is, of course, a neurotoxin, but only at amounts far, far higher than that normally found in our bodies, in the environment, and certainly in vaccines. Just by living and breathing on a planet like Earth where aluminum is the third most abundant element, the average person consumes 3-8mg of aluminum per day, of which less than 1 percent is absorbed into the blood. Vaccine doses are allowed to contain a maximum of .85mg of aluminum; so the maximum dose of aluminum in a vaccine is about the same as the maximum that might get into everyone's blood in a normal day (about what's contained in 33 ounces of infant formula). Most vaccines contain less than this. Studies have proven no difference in neurological condition between children who have had aluminum adjutated vaccines and those who have not. Aspartame Once again: FAIL. Completely untrue. Although any search of the web would have you believe otherwise: The phrase "aspartame in vaccines" is all over Google. So what are these vaccines? I searched the CDC's database of vaccines; nothing. I searched the database of additives; still nothing. I only found only antivax article that mentioned specifically which vaccine aspartame is in, and it claimed only one: The typhoid vaccine Typhim Vi. But it's not true. The additives in Typhim Vi are publicly available and aspartame is not on the list. This is when the antivaxxers are at their worst, when they simply make up lies. This is not constructive for any purpose. Aborted Fetal Tissue They sure picked the scariest sounding thing they could think of here! Although this specific ingredient is made up, vaccines can include all sorts of proteins derived from all sorts of animals. Human Serum Albumin, or HSA, is a stabilizing protein made from human blood donations, not from aborted fetuses. Bovine albumin is also used in a few vaccines. Some vaccines are grown in cultures of monkey or chicken kidney tissue, and when the vaccines are extracted, a few cells from the culture always remain. There's never been any evidence that this might be dangerous. Some vaccines are cultured inside chicken eggs, and some egg protein may remain as a result. This can be a problem for people with severe allergies to egg protein, so these people should avoid these vaccines. You'll hear all sorts of shock stories about embryonic fluid and cells of exotic animals. Be skeptical of such stories, and you are shocked and concerned, spend five minutes searching the web to find out if that ingredient is actually used; and if so, why; and whether it represents any credible cause for concern. I guarantee you that Jenny McCarthy is neither the first person, nor the best educated, to have considered vaccine safety. Live Viruses Some viruses don't retain their chemical markers well enough when they're dead in order for the immune system to recognize them, so a very few vaccines are given with the viruses still alive. Formaldehyde is usually used to knock them out, weakening them to the point where they no longer pose a threat, but still alive enough to provoke the desired response. This is not done haphazardly: Finding just the right balance for the vaccine to be effective but not dangerous is hard work. You'll hear antivaccine activists shout "Green our vaccines!" What do they mean? Are vaccines environmentally unfriendly? What does "being green" have to do with it? Presumably this is a swipe at vaccine additives which they believe are unsafe or damaging to the environment. Sadly it's too vague of a charge to answer directly. Specific claims can be tested; vague rallying cries cannot. This is where the antivaxxers' movement has taken them: Whenever they've attempted to levy a specific, testable claim, it's easily falsified. Don't let a sound byte as meaningless as "Green our vaccines" carry any clout it has not earned. Many antivaccine activists believe that a healthy diet is all that's needed to guard against disease. Unfortunately, a healthy diet by itself does not present any immunological challenges. No antibodies are created as a result. Then when a pathogen enters the body, the pathogen wins, and the body becomes diseased. If you focus on your diet or your fitness, but ignore your immune system, expect to look slim and run marathons, but don't expect your immune system to be well prepared should you be unlucky enough to run into polio. You should follow me on twitter here. Brian Dunning Brian Dunning References © 2009 Skeptoid.com Discuss! Just thought Id post this, facts are always helpful, I have seen a lot of misinformation out there on this topic. |
|
|
|
Very informative Bushi, thanks.
|
|
|
|
TRUST NO ONE
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
on
Thu 12/03/09 06:37 PM
|
|
TRUST NO ONE True skepticism is only about being accurate. |
|
|
|
vaccines are good for you. Period. A very small number of society will have adverse effects, but that is no different than taking Tylenol. Your body is full of chemicals. Many bad that you get through your food and plastics. Formaldehyde is bad for you, but only in large quantities. Nutrasweet breaks down into formaldehyde in your body but you would have to drink 4 liters or more of diet coke per day for it to be harmful.
|
|
|
|
Hey, and another cool podcast for me to listen to on my bus rides. Thanks, Bushido.
|
|
|
|
I think that if we suddenly had an epidemic of some of the diseases that vaccines have pretty much eliminated from our society, people would understand why they are good and necessary.
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Jeanniebean
on
Fri 12/04/09 12:46 AM
|
|
I am a skeptic about vaccines. I don't get them. I will take my chances with the germs. I trust my immune system more than I trust some vaccine. This may not be true or a good decision.. for some people. But I would rather die of natural causes or the flu than some man made drug or vaccine.
|
|
|
|
vaccines are good for you. Period. A very small number of society will have adverse effects, but that is no different than taking Tylenol. Your body is full of chemicals. Many bad that you get through your food and plastics. Formaldehyde is bad for you, but only in large quantities. Nutrasweet breaks down into formaldehyde in your body but you would have to drink 4 liters or more of diet coke per day for it to be harmful. Nutrasweet is bad. I use sweet n'low and they have been warning about that for 20 or more years. I've been using it a long time. When Nutrasweet came out, I just had a bad feeling about it and would not use it. Now they have it in all the diet pop. So I don't drink diet pop. |
|
|
|
Vaccines save lives.
|
|
|
|
does anyone know how many viruses we can cure?
zero not one all you can do with a virus is ride it out and hope it doesnt kill you or take a vaccine and let your body have just a taste of the virus and build up antibodies to fight it for all us grownups its not such a big deal. this is a mutation of the swine flu from the 60's and most of us already have the antibodies. it's the kids that this strain is killing in unusual numbers 5 to 10 year old range |
|
|
|
Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
on
Fri 12/04/09 09:57 PM
|
|
does anyone know how many viruses we can cure? zero not one all you can do with a virus is ride it out and hope it doesnt kill you or take a vaccine and let your body have just a taste of the virus and build up antibodies to fight it for all us grownups its not such a big deal. this is a mutation of the swine flu from the 60's and most of us already have the antibodies. it's the kids that this strain is killing in unusual numbers 5 to 10 year old range It killed larger proportions of young and middle age adults with strong immune systems . .. why? Because it was the reaction, or overreaction of the very strong immune system that killed them, via inflammation of the lungs. The unknown is the most dangerous, and less then 6 months ago we had no idea if this strain or a possible early mutation of it and if it would have that protein, or a similar protein that could trigger the same reaction. The point is, if it had, then it could have been a repeat of the 1918 flu epidemic where 20% of the WORLDS population died. More deadly then any war ever. Vaccines are the human race best chance to stave off such a disaster. |
|
|
|
Edited by
Ruth34611
on
Sat 12/05/09 07:32 AM
|
|
Vaccines are the human race best chance to stave off such a disaster. I'd have to agree with this. (Someone make a note of this....Bushi and I are agreeing ) Not to mention all the childhood vaccines that have kept things like polio and rubella from being a regular part of our existence now. I was one of those parents who became very concerned about the scare with vaccines and autism. But, after reading everything I could on the matter and talking to my pediatrician I decided only to delay their vaccines for a few years. It seemed like a good compromise. But, now that I have learned more about it over the last couple of years, I probably would not even delay them today. |
|
|
|
Edited by
Jeanniebean
on
Sat 12/05/09 09:08 AM
|
|
Vaccines save lives. It is not the vaccine that saves the life, it is the body's immune system. It if were not for that a vaccine could not help you. Sorry, but I am skeptical about that statement. |
|
|
|
does anyone know how many viruses we can cure? zero not one all you can do with a virus is ride it out and hope it doesnt kill you or take a vaccine and let your body have just a taste of the virus and build up antibodies to fight it for all us grownups its not such a big deal. this is a mutation of the swine flu from the 60's and most of us already have the antibodies. it's the kids that this strain is killing in unusual numbers 5 to 10 year old range It killed larger proportions of young and middle age adults with strong immune systems . .. why? Because it was the reaction, or overreaction of the very strong immune system that killed them, via inflammation of the lungs. The unknown is the most dangerous, and less then 6 months ago we had no idea if this strain or a possible early mutation of it and if it would have that protein, or a similar protein that could trigger the same reaction. The point is, if it had, then it could have been a repeat of the 1918 flu epidemic where 20% of the WORLDS population died. More deadly then any war ever. Vaccines are the human race best chance to stave off such a disaster. These mutations... I wouldn't be surprised if they were manufactured in a laboratory for the purpose of germ warfare. There are factions on earth who are attempting to reduce the population of humans and this would be a good way to do it. The problem I have is knowing who to trust. |
|
|
|
These mutations... I wouldn't be surprised if they were manufactured in a laboratory for the purpose of germ warfare. There are factions on earth who are attempting to reduce the population of humans and this would be a good way to do it. The problem I have is knowing who to trust. I agree and its much easier when you are only making choices for yourself. But when you are faced daily with choices that dramatically affect the lives of your children, you just do the best you can with the information you have coupled with common sense and intuition. |
|
|
|
I think this isn't sound logic, but let's think of it this way...
If you drink a diluted teaspon of bleach, you might have some irritation or reaction, but you aren't going to die. But if you drink a few cups of diluted bleach, there is a chance you will die. Vaccines are a similar concept. If we introduce to the body a small amount for the body to build up antibodies, then if the large dose comes than we will have defense. Same thing happens with babies that breastfeed. Antibodies are transfered from mother to baby. |
|
|
|
My personal experience has been that I got sick more after having been vaccinated than I do when I have not been vaccinated. You can kill germs and viruses while they are in your blood stream by electricity. Zapping with Hulda Clark's zapper or some other electric machine. Also, you can kill germs and viruses in your stomach and intestine by eating a lot of garlic, or grapefruit seed extract water. (GSE) You can get that in a small bottle. Drop about 20 or so drops into a glass of water and drink it. It is very bitter. Kills parasites and germs etc. Also, GSE in a small spray bottle will kill flesh eating viruses and small parasites on the skin. It is a great antiseptic. Eat lots of garlic when you are sick. Three tablespoons per day. Grind it up and drink it down with water or mix it with honey. Be careful if you have thin blood, garlic will thin your blood. Stay well. |
|
|
|
Edited by
Quietman_2009
on
Sat 12/05/09 09:38 AM
|
|
the flu vaccine consists of dead viruses (except fot the nasal dose)
the proteins and amino acids from the dead viruses makes the body think its being attacked so it creates antibodies to fight off the virus sometimes the body is fooled into thinking it really has a bad virus infection and you get the fever and nausea as if you had it my friend caught the flu last week. They think its H1N1 but haven't got the results back. He was in bed a week miserable, and then the secondary bronchial infection set in (bacterial). He is STILL in bed sick its the secondary bronchial infection that has been killing people |
|
|
|
the flu vaccine consists of dead viruses (except fot the nasal dose) the proteins and amino acids from the dead viruses makes the body think its being attacked so it creates antibodies to fight off the virus sometimes the body is fooled into thinking it really has a bad virus infection and you get the fever and nausea as if you had it my friend caught the flu last week. They think its H1N1 but haven't got the results back. He was in bed a week miserable, and then the secondary bronchial infection set in (bacterial). He is STILL in bed sick its the secondary bronchial infection that has been killing people Had your friend been vaccinated? |
|
|