Topic: Cloven Tongues Like As Of Fire
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1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.(Acts 2:1-4)


The word “Pentecost” in the Hebrew means “fifty” or “fiftieth.” It refers to fifty days after the Passover. The “Day of Pentecost” was one of the great Feast Days of the Jews. It occurred probably in late May.

It was on this “Day” that the Holy Spirit came to this world in a completely new dimension, all made possible by the Cross. Incidentally, the scene of this outpouring, as described in this Chapter, took place in the Temple, probably in the Court of the Gentiles. It took place fairly early in the morning.


The great characteristic of this outpouring was that, for all who were there that day, possibly 120 or more, when they were “filled with the Holy Spirit,” they all “began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” In fact, the Bible teaches that speaking with other tongues is the initial, physical evidence that one has been baptized with the Holy Spirit. There is no infilling without this particular sign. The Prophet Isaiah, in fact, some 750 prior, had predicted this phenomenon, and was quoted by Paul(Isa. 28:11; I Cor.14:21).

There are five accounts of outpourings of the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts. Three of those accounts emphatically state that the recipients spoke with tongues(Acts 2:4; 10:26; 19:1-7). The other two occasions give no details, just saying, “They received the Holy Spirit”(8:17; 9:17). This doesn't mean they didn't speak in tongues, only that it is not mentioned. In fact, there is evedence they did.

Regarding the revival in Samaria, when Peter and John laid hands on these individuals that they might “receive the Holy Spirit,” Simon the Sorcerer saw this taking place and offered the Apostles money that he also may have power to do such. Peter answered him forthwith, “Your money perish with you...You have neither part nor lot in this matter”(8:20-21).

When Ananias prayed for Paul to “be filled with the Holy Spirit,” the Scripture doesn't tell us what happened. But Paul, concerning himself, said, “I thank my God, I speak with Tongues more than you all”(I Cor.14:18). So, the Biblical evidence is replete that all Believers will, without exception, speak with other tongues upon being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Tongues are not incoherent babble or chatter, but rather a language known and spoken somewhere in the world, but not by the speaker who has been baptized with the Spirit. A perfect example of this is found on the Day of Pentecost. When the Jews were filled with the Spirit, there were other Jews in the Temple, many hundreds, no doubt, who were from all parts of the Roman Empire, and who also spoke the language of their respective area. They heard these “Galilaeans” speak their languages(Acts 2:7-13).

Some foolish souls have maliciously stated that speaking with other tongues is of the Devil. Of course, the statement is false, to say the least, But, for the sake of argument, we will say the following: If it is of the Devil, then it's the only thing the Devil has which makes people love the Lord supremely, love His Word supremely, and desire the things of God supremely!

Furthermore, when Peter began to minister on the Day of Pentecost, he didn't say, “This fulfills that spoken by the Prophet Joel,” but rather, “This is that which was spoken...”

This means it began on the Day of Pentecost, and it continues unto this hour.

“FOR JOHN TRULY BAPTIZED WITH WATER(merely symbolized the very best Baptism[Baptism of Repentance]Believers could receive before the Day of Penetecost);BUT YOU SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT MANY DAYS HENCE”(spoke of the coming Day of Pentecost, although Jesus did not use that term at that time)(Acts 1:4-5)



When one speaks in tongues, one is declaring “the wonderful Works of God” (Acts 2:11).[/b
The great Prophet Isaiah said some 750 years before Christ, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people.

“To whom He said, this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing; yet they would not hear” (Isa. 28:11-12).
These two Verses tell us that speaking with other tongues brings about a “rest” from the tiredness of the journey of life. As well, speaking with other tongues brings about a “refreshing,” which rejuvenates the person. In fact, the Apostle Paul quoted part of these Verses in I Corinthians 14:21-22).

The person who speaks in tongues, speaks unto God (I Cor. 14:2). Anything that’s spoken directly to God is good. Speaking in other tongues edifies the Believer, which we all need (I Cor. 14:4). This is the Lord’s answer for stress, emotional disturbances, nervous disorders, and the pressures of life in general.

When one prays in an unknown tongue, one’s spirit prays, which means that one prays exactly as the Holy Spirit desires the prayer to be given (I Cor. 14:14). Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers (I Cor. 14:22). Even though most unsaved do not know this, and would not understand it if it was told to them, we’re living in the last of the last days. It is a sign in this respect to the unbelieving world.

LOVE IN JESUS

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Sun 11/15/09 11:44 PM

1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.(Acts 2:1-4)


The word “Pentecost” in the Hebrew means “fifty” or “fiftieth.” It refers to fifty days after the Passover. The “Day of Pentecost” was one of the great Feast Days of the Jews. It occurred probably in late May.

It was on this “Day” that the Holy Spirit came to this world in a completely new dimension, all made possible by the Cross. Incidentally, the scene of this outpouring, as described in this Chapter, took place in the Temple, probably in the Court of the Gentiles. It took place fairly early in the morning.


The great characteristic of this outpouring was that, for all who were there that day, possibly 120 or more, when they were “filled with the Holy Spirit,” they all “began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” In fact, the Bible teaches that speaking with other tongues is the initial, physical evidence that one has been baptized with the Holy Spirit. There is no infilling without this particular sign. The Prophet Isaiah, in fact, some 750 prior, had predicted this phenomenon, and was quoted by Paul(Isa. 28:11; I Cor.14:21).

There are five accounts of outpourings of the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts. Three of those accounts emphatically state that the recipients spoke with tongues(Acts 2:4; 10:26; 19:1-7). The other two occasions give no details, just saying, “They received the Holy Spirit”(8:17; 9:17). This doesn't mean they didn't speak in tongues, only that it is not mentioned. In fact, there is evedence they did.

Regarding the revival in Samaria, when Peter and John laid hands on these individuals that they might “receive the Holy Spirit,” Simon the Sorcerer saw this taking place and offered the Apostles money that he also may have power to do such. Peter answered him forthwith, “Your money perish with you...You have neither part nor lot in this matter”(8:20-21).

When Ananias prayed for Paul to “be filled with the Holy Spirit,” the Scripture doesn't tell us what happened. But Paul, concerning himself, said, “I thank my God, I speak with Tongues more than you all”(I Cor.14:18). So, the Biblical evidence is replete that all Believers will, without exception, speak with other tongues upon being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Tongues are not incoherent babble or chatter, but rather a language known and spoken somewhere in the world, but not by the speaker who has been baptized with the Spirit. A perfect example of this is found on the Day of Pentecost. When the Jews were filled with the Spirit, there were other Jews in the Temple, many hundreds, no doubt, who were from all parts of the Roman Empire, and who also spoke the language of their respective area. They heard these “Galilaeans” speak their languages(Acts 2:7-13).

Some foolish souls have maliciously stated that speaking with other tongues is of the Devil. Of course, the statement is false, to say the least, But, for the sake of argument, we will say the following: If it is of the Devil, then it's the only thing the Devil has which makes people love the Lord supremely, love His Word supremely, and desire the things of God supremely!

Furthermore, when Peter began to minister on the Day of Pentecost, he didn't say, “This fulfills that spoken by the Prophet Joel,” but rather, “This is that which was spoken...”

This means it began on the Day of Pentecost, and it continues unto this hour.

“FOR JOHN TRULY BAPTIZED WITH WATER(merely symbolized the very best Baptism[Baptism of Repentance]Believers could receive before the Day of Penetecost);BUT YOU SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT MANY DAYS HENCE”(spoke of the coming Day of Pentecost, although Jesus did not use that term at that time)(Acts 1:4-5)



When one speaks in tongues, one is declaring “the wonderful Works of God” (Acts 2:11).[/b
The great Prophet Isaiah said some 750 years before Christ, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people.

“To whom He said, this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing; yet they would not hear” (Isa. 28:11-12).
These two Verses tell us that speaking with other tongues brings about a “rest” from the tiredness of the journey of life. As well, speaking with other tongues brings about a “refreshing,” which rejuvenates the person. In fact, the Apostle Paul quoted part of these Verses in I Corinthians 14:21-22).

The person who speaks in tongues, speaks unto God (I Cor. 14:2). Anything that’s spoken directly to God is good. Speaking in other tongues edifies the Believer, which we all need (I Cor. 14:4). This is the Lord’s answer for stress, emotional disturbances, nervous disorders, and the pressures of life in general.

When one prays in an unknown tongue, one’s spirit prays, which means that one prays exactly as the Holy Spirit desires the prayer to be given (I Cor. 14:14). Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers (I Cor. 14:22). Even though most unsaved do not know this, and would not understand it if it was told to them, we’re living in the last of the last days. It is a sign in this respect to the unbelieving world.

LOVE IN JESUS




interesting but a few mistakes.

1 the 50 day count does not start at Passover. It starts on the 1st regular sabbath after the Passover. in some years it could start as you say but most it would not. This is why pentecost is always on a sunday as the High Priest at the end of the regular sabbath after the Passover waves the wave sheafs for the people. Yahshua did this when he rose at the end of the sabbath. This is why he could not be touched as he had to be clean as High aPriest in the Heavens then he came back.

I would take another look at Isa 28

Isa 28:9-15

9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,"
And, "This is the refreshing";
Yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of Yahweh was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.

14 Therefore hear the word of Yahweh, you scornful men,
Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,
15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,
And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."
NKJV
Thier is a speaking in tongues but this is not talking about the real thing but an imposter.

Some tale taling signs are said here to see who these imposters are.

1..13 But the word of Yahweh was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.

Here they are snared in thier own words.

2... Since when does miracles happen where the person recieving the miracle falls backwards. Always forward face down in awe and being humble for what has happened.

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught

If you read on it warns that these are scornful men who has made a covenent of death.


We see this all the time healings and falling backwards.can this be of Yahweh.

Here a little thier alittle.. the pick and choose religion that satisfies itself.

Know a religion that has sprang up with zeal and if you do not speak in tongues u do not have the spirit. paul spoke about speaking in tongues and was not impressed with what was going on... Check it out thier are many prophecies that we do not want to understand...Blessings...Miles

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Sun 11/15/09 11:47 PM
Go back and read your Bible--"Tongues" Was a temporary thing used by the apostles and was:--talking in other KNOWN languages. It went away as the Word of GOD was writen down---You are wrong and send the wrong message!

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Mon 11/16/09 12:41 AM
Miles and Art, Satan wants everyone to disbelive in The Baptism With The Holy Spirit because It is The Power, Strength, Rest and Refreshing from God to Us of Which Satan cannot do anything with. As with anything else of God,, Satan has his counterfeits to cause unbelief in people so as to cause them to go to hell. He can't destroy God's Truth, so he must cause deception. He hate us because he hates God.

But remember this: you are being informed about The Baptism With The Holy Spirit which is for Your Benefit and God doesn't deny Himself. Don't let Satan cheat you. All you have to do to receive is Pray, ask for it and Believe, just as your Faith in Christ and What He did on The Cross Saves,, You will receive The Baptism With The Holy Spirit right there where you are. So see, there isn't any church or religion you have to join,,, Just you and Jesus right there whereever you are right now. Ask and Believe!


“AND, BEING ASSEMBLED TOGETHER WITH THEM(speaks of the time He ascended back to the Father; this was probably the time of the “above five hundred”[I Cor.15:6]), COMMANED THEM(not a suggestion)THAT THEY SHOULD NOT DEPART FROM JERUSALEM(the site of the Temple, where the Holy Spirit would descend),BUT WAIT FOR THE PROMISE OF THE FATHER(spoke of the Holy Spirit, which had been promised by the Father[Lk.24:49;Joel,Chpt.2]), WHICH ,SAID HE, YOU HAVE HEARD OF ME(you have also heard Me say these things[Jn.7:37-39;14:12-17,26;15:26;16:7-15]).

“FOR JOHN TRULY BAPTIZED WITH WATER
(merely symbolized the very best Baptism[Baptism of Repentance]Believers could receive before the Day of Penetecost);BUT YOU SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT MANY DAYS HENCE”(spoke of the coming Day of Pentecost, although Jesus did not use that term at that time)(Acts 1:4-5)

The last words spoken by anyone are very important. To be sure, the last words spoken by Christ are of the utmost significance. The account given in The First Chapter of Acts constitutes the last Message that Christ will deliver before His Ascension. Consequently, that which He says , as stated, is of supreme significance.

He could have spoken of coming world events according to Bible Prophecy. In fact, He could have said anything. His last Message, however, to His Disciples and all His followers was that they be Baptized with the Holy Spirit, which would take place in a few days. He did not suggest this; He “commaneded them”(Acts 1:4). In essence, He was saying, “Don’t go testify about Me, don’t go preach about My Resurrection, don’t go and say anything about Me or about the Work of God until you are first Baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

The Second Chapter of Acts portrays this momentous occasion when the Holy Spirit came in a new dimension, when all the Disciples and scores of others were Baptized with the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking with other tongues.


Jesus had told them in His last Message in Acts 1:8,”BUT YOU SHALL RECEIVE POWER(specifically states that this”Power” is inherent in the Holy Spirit, and solely in His domain): AND YOU SHALL BE WITNESSES(doesn’t mean witnessing to souls, but rather to one giving one’s all in every capacity for Christ, even to the laying down of one’s life, if necessary)UNTO ME(without the Baptism with the Holy Spirit, one cannot really know Jesus as one should)BOTH IN JERUSALEM, AND IN ALL JUDAEA, AND IN SAMARIA, AND UNTO THE UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH”(proclaims the Work of God as being worldwide).
So, we learn from this that it is absolutely necessary for the person, after he/she has come to Christ, which means after he/she has been Born-Again, to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit. Jesus said so! Jesus says, in effect, that we are not going to do very much for Him unless we are Baptized with the Holy Spirit.





THIS OF WHICH I SPEAK ABOUT IS YOUR PRAYER LANGUAGE(THE HOLY SPIRIT PRAYING THRU YOU THE RIGHT PRAYER,SPIRIT TO SPIRIT).


It doesn't have anything to do with being one of the Nine Gifts which are:"divers kinds of Tongues(meant to be interpreted);to another the interpretaion of Tongues:"(ICor.12:10)

This is not a requirement for Salvation, But myself and others want All That God has To Offer. Plus Jesus commanded His Disciples.


The Great Commission provided in Luke 24:46-49.

46."And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:" (THIS IS THE STORY OF THE BIBLE)


47."And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name(Gods method of Proclaiming His Word and doing His Work) among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

48."And you are witnesses of these things." (Christianity was not begun as the result of an enlightened philosophy, as with all religions; it was begun by men and women who literally witnessed the incarnate Son of God in all His earthly Ministry, as well as His Death and Resurrection; consequently they could say,"we have seen, and do testify".)

49."And, behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you(the Baptism with the Holy Spirit, which would come on the Day of Pentecost[Acts 1:4-5]):
but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem(the was where the Temple was located andwhere the Day of Pentecost was always celebrated, which would occasion the outpouring of the Spirit; this was only for the initial outpouring; since then, Jesus Baptizes with the Holy Spirit wherever the person might be[Acts Chptrs. 8-10,19]), until you be endued with power from on high. (This is The Baptism with the Holy Spirit, which is always accompanied by the speaking with other tongues[Acts 2:4]; without being thus endued, the Believer and the church cannot know Jesus as they should.

Though we are evil, God Loves Us So Much that He Sent His Son Jesus(VERY GOD AND VERY MAN) to Die a terrible Death, so that we have the opportunity to repent of Sin and get to live eternally in Heaven. But not only did Jesus die for our sins, but He also Provided The Holy Spirit to bring us Into Him to be the Best Servant, Friend, Brother, Sister Of His possible until we are Glorified.


This is presented in The Spirit and Truth of Jesus!


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Mark 16:14-18

Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues ; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
NKJV


Now Yahshua speaks of New Tongues. But he does not speak of a new language. If we are going to take tongues and have as a babling where people fall down are slain in the spirit then we also should be like the snake people and test Yahweh with serpants and poisen.

Isa 66:18-19
8 "For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues ; and they shall come and see My glory.
NKJV

All nations by their tongues. Not a heavenly tongues is not spoken of anywhere.In this Prophecy.


You dodged Isa 28 where it speaks of a tongue and the people are snarled and fall backwards and will be in terror.

What reference do you have of Yahweh’s people ever falling backwards when the Holy Spirit is present?

If you can not what is the Prophecy of Dan that Isa 28 speaks of?

Gen 49:16-18

16 "Dan shall judge his people
As one of the tribes of Israel.
17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way,
A viper by the path,
That bites the horse's heels
So that its rider shall fall backward.
18 I have waited for your salvation, O Yahweh!
NKJV

Dan Judges his people he bites at the hoves as a serpent to make the people fall backwards.

Can you find Dan being saved?

Why?

The voice of Yahweh devides the fire. The cloven tongues,.. The dedication of the Temple made with out hands..

Ps 29:5-11

5 The voice of Yahweh breaks the cedars,
Yes, Yahweh splinters the cedars of Lebanon.
6 He makes them also skip like a calf,
Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild ox.
7 The voice of Yahweh divides the flames of fire .

8 The voice of Yahweh shakes the wilderness;
Yahweh shakes the Wilderness of Kadesh.
9 The voice of Yahweh makes the deer give birth,
And strips the forests bare;
And in His temple everyone says, "Glory!"

10 Yahweh sat enthroned at the Flood,
And the Yahweh sits as King forever.
11 Yahweh will give strength to His people;
Yahweh will bless His people with peace.
NKJV

Yahweh does this. The speaking of Tongues is for the non believer. It is a show of the great Wisdom of Yahweh not babling and rolling around on the floor.

What examples do we have of this happening?

Luke 8:27-33
27 And when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time. And he wore no clothes, nor did he live in a house but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Yahshua, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said,"What have I to do with You, Yahshua, Son of the Most High Elohim? I beg You, do not torment me!" 29 For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had often seized him, and he was kept under guard, bound with chains and shackles; and he broke the bonds and was driven by the demon into the wilderness.

30 Yahshua asked him, saying, "What is your name?"

And he said, "Legion ," because many demons had entered him. 31 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.

32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them. 33 Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned.
NKJV

Even the demon possessed man fell on his knees when he saw Yahshua not backwards as Isa Prophicied would come.

An unknown tongue is a New Tongue full of the words and wisdom of Yahshua. A totally changed person is who the Spirit lives in The Temple made with out hands.

We talk of this possession as a good thing as when the demons left they were permitted to enter the swine.

Do you honestly think that an Unclean Temple possess the Spirit of Yahweh?

Do you eat pork and other meats that Lev 11 tells us not to?

It is plain to understand that only demons can enter such bodies.


Mal 3:6-7

6 "For I am the Yahweh, I do not change ;
Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
7 Yet from the days of your fathers
You have gone away from My ordinances
And have not kept them.
Return to Me, and I will return to you,"
Says Yahweh of hosts.
"But you said,
'In what way shall we return?'
NKJV

In what way shall we return? Not by saying Yahweh’s law is not needed that somehow Yahweh in this statement is lieing.

I AM YAHWEH I CHANGE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Learn from the schoolmaster first the the spirit of Truth will enter you and their will be no doubt.

Read the 3rd commandment closely and reference the words and see if Yahshua did not give us a warning and a Blessing how to know who is who…Blessings Miles




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Edited by flintman1955 on Mon 11/16/09 09:21 PM

1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.(Acts 2:1-4)


The word “Pentecost” in the Hebrew means “fifty” or “fiftieth.” It refers to fifty days after the Passover. The “Day of Pentecost” was one of the great Feast Days of the Jews. It occurred probably in late May.

It was on this “Day” that the Holy Spirit came to this world in a completely new dimension, all made possible by the Cross. Incidentally, the scene of this outpouring, as described in this Chapter, took place in the Temple, probably in the Court of the Gentiles. It took place fairly early in the morning.


The great characteristic of this outpouring was that, for all who were there that day, possibly 120 or more, when they were “filled with the Holy Spirit,” they all “began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” In fact, the Bible teaches that speaking with other tongues is the initial, physical evidence that one has been baptized with the Holy Spirit. There is no infilling without this particular sign. The Prophet Isaiah, in fact, some 750 prior, had predicted this phenomenon, and was quoted by Paul(Isa. 28:11; I Cor.14:21).

There are five accounts of outpourings of the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts. Three of those accounts emphatically state that the recipients spoke with tongues(Acts 2:4; 10:26; 19:1-7). The other two occasions give no details, just saying, “They received the Holy Spirit”(8:17; 9:17). This doesn't mean they didn't speak in tongues, only that it is not mentioned. In fact, there is evedence they did.

Regarding the revival in Samaria, when Peter and John laid hands on these individuals that they might “receive the Holy Spirit,” Simon the Sorcerer saw this taking place and offered the Apostles money that he also may have power to do such. Peter answered him forthwith, “Your money perish with you...You have neither part nor lot in this matter”(8:20-21).

When Ananias prayed for Paul to “be filled with the Holy Spirit,” the Scripture doesn't tell us what happened. But Paul, concerning himself, said, “I thank my God, I speak with Tongues more than you all”(I Cor.14:18). So, the Biblical evidence is replete that all Believers will, without exception, speak with other tongues upon being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Tongues are not incoherent babble or chatter, but rather a language known and spoken somewhere in the world, but not by the speaker who has been baptized with the Spirit. A perfect example of this is found on the Day of Pentecost. When the Jews were filled with the Spirit, there were other Jews in the Temple, many hundreds, no doubt, who were from all parts of the Roman Empire, and who also spoke the language of their respective area. They heard these “Galilaeans” speak their languages(Acts 2:7-13).

Some foolish souls have maliciously stated that speaking with other tongues is of the Devil. Of course, the statement is false, to say the least, But, for the sake of argument, we will say the following: If it is of the Devil, then it's the only thing the Devil has which makes people love the Lord supremely, love His Word supremely, and desire the things of God supremely!

Furthermore, when Peter began to minister on the Day of Pentecost, he didn't say, “This fulfills that spoken by the Prophet Joel,” but rather, “This is that which was spoken...”

This means it began on the Day of Pentecost, and it continues unto this hour.

“FOR JOHN TRULY BAPTIZED WITH WATER(merely symbolized the very best Baptism[Baptism of Repentance]Believers could receive before the Day of Penetecost);BUT YOU SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT MANY DAYS HENCE”(spoke of the coming Day of Pentecost, although Jesus did not use that term at that time)(Acts 1:4-5)



When one speaks in tongues, one is declaring “the wonderful Works of God” (Acts 2:11).[/b
The great Prophet Isaiah said some 750 years before Christ, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people.

“To whom He said, this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing; yet they would not hear” (Isa. 28:11-12).
These two Verses tell us that speaking with other tongues brings about a “rest” from the tiredness of the journey of life. As well, speaking with other tongues brings about a “refreshing,” which rejuvenates the person. In fact, the Apostle Paul quoted part of these Verses in I Corinthians 14:21-22).

The person who speaks in tongues, speaks unto God (I Cor. 14:2). Anything that’s spoken directly to God is good. Speaking in other tongues edifies the Believer, which we all need (I Cor. 14:4). This is the Lord’s answer for stress, emotional disturbances, nervous disorders, and the pressures of life in general.

When one prays in an unknown tongue, one’s spirit prays, which means that one prays exactly as the Holy Spirit desires the prayer to be given (I Cor. 14:14). Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers (I Cor. 14:22). Even though most unsaved do not know this, and would not understand it if it was told to them, we’re living in the last of the last days. It is a sign in this respect to the unbelieving world.

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interesting but a few mistakes.

1 the 50 day count does not start at Passover. It starts on the 1st regular sabbath after the Passover. in some years it could start as you say but most it would not. This is why pentecost is always on a sunday as the High Priest at the end of the regular sabbath after the Passover waves the wave sheafs for the people. Yahshua did this when he rose at the end of the sabbath. This is why he could not be touched as he had to be clean as High aPriest in the Heavens then he came back.

MILES,,BELOW, EVERYTHING THAT IS ADDED IN BOLD WILL BE MY RESPONSE TO ALL OF THIS YOU HAVE POSTED HERE, ADDED RIGHT WITH WHAT YOU WROTE::

I would take another look at Isa 28 YES LETS LOOK AT ISA.28;; Chptrs.28-35 is one continuous Prophesy, but the verses we are using also are Woes to Ephrim, Judah and Warning to Israel for thier actual and moral drunkardness. They were intoxicated with the strong wine of idolatry. But I'm only going to deal with the OP subject.

Isa 28:9-15

9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts? (This Verse is meant to be understood as the mocking words of the scornful men of Jerusalem(Vs.14). They taunted Isaiah with his own word, "knowledge"and"doctrine," insinuating that they were mere "catch-words.")

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little." The idea is that everything must be measured by the Word of God. No other "measurement" will be accepted. To be sure, Judah fell woe-fully short)

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people. (The phrase, "stammering lips," refers to a proper language being spoken, but yet the people hearing it would not understand it. Paul quoted this same Passage as it regards the Gift of Tongues as a sign to unbelievers(I Cor.14:21-22). Oftentimes, the Holy Spirit used strange circumstances to present Prophecy proclaiming tremendously important coming events, even as this Prophecy does. Such also was the Prophecy given through Isaiah of the Birth of Christ through a "virgin"(Isa.7:14). The occasion would be the unbelief,, redicule, and scorn of wicked Ahaz. Therefore, it seems that the Holy Spirit designed bothe these Prophecies(the Virgin Birth of Christ and the Baptism with the Holy Spirit),to occasion faith in Believers and unbelief in mocker!))


12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest," And, "This is the refreshing";Yet they would not hear. (Coupled with Verse 11, this tells us that speaking with other tongues brings about a "rest" from the tiredness of the journey of life. As well, speaking with other tongues brings about a "refreshing," which rejuvenates the person. Many people ask, "What good is there in speaking with other tongues?" This mentioned by Isaiah presents two blessings, of which there are many. Regrettably, despite this tremendous gift given to the people of God, at least to those who will believe, like Judah of old, most "will not hear," even as Paul quoted Iaaiah(I Cor.14:21))

13 But the word of the Lord was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught. (The meaning is that because they would not hear, therefore, by a just judgement, will the simplicity of the Gospel become a stumblingblock to them, resulting in their captivity. While this "captivity" pertained to Judah of old, it also pertains to modern Christians who "will not hear.")


14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,
Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem. (Isaiah now turns from a denunciation of the Priests and Prophets, who especially opposed his teaching, to a threatening of the great men who guided the course of public affairs. He called them "scornful men.")

15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,
And with Hell we are in agreement, when the overflowing scourge passes through, it will not come to us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood we have hidden ourselves. (the "covenant of death" that Isaiah was speaking of was probably Judah's agreement with Egypt. It also refers to the "covenant" that Israel will make with the Antichrist at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. It is very interesting to see the terminology used by the holy Spirit. Truly the "covenant" that Judah had made, whatever it was, was with "death" and "Hell".)

MILES-------------------------NOW AS I HAVE SHOWN YOU ABOVE AND THIS ALSO STANDS FOR WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN BETWEEN THESE DOTTED LINES,,, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE AND SHOULD NOT BE TELLING ANYONE ABOUT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD, OTHER THAN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS SO THEY COULD BE FORGIVEN OF THIER SINS. FOR ALL YOU HAVE IS MAN'S UNDERSTANDING.. YOU NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD AND GUIDE YOU. IT IS COMMANDED BY JESUS. I KNOW THIS MUST DISAGREE WITH YOUR RELIGION, BUT WHAT I AM TEACHING YOU AND OTHERS WHO WILL HEAR,,HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.. THIS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. DO YOU REALIZE THAT JESUS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL TOLD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. I PRAY THAT YOU TRULY PRAY AND ASK GOD TO HELP YOU KNOW,, BUT THE SCRIPTURE THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS TO DISAPROVE THE BAPTISM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES,,IS ACTUALLY SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT IT.
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Thier is a speaking in tongues but this is not talking about the real thing but an imposter.

Some tale taling signs are said here to see who these imposters are.

1..13 But the word of Yahweh was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little,"That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.

Here they are snared in thier own words.

2... Since when does miracles happen where the person recieving the miracle falls backwards. Always forward face down in awe and being humble for what has happened.

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught

If you read on it warns that these are scornful men who has made a covenent of death.

We see this all the time healings and falling backwards.can this be of Yahweh.

Here a little thier alittle.. the pick and choose religion that satisfies itself.

Know a religion that has sprang up with zeal and if you do not speak in tongues u do not have the spirit. paul spoke about speaking in tongues and was not impressed with what was going on... Check it out thier are many prophecies that we do not want to understand...Blessings...Miles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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