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"You know this question always makes me think if people understand the political proccess? The President only represents a peice of 1/3 of our goverment and that's on the federal level! So with that said when the presidential campaign is running it's always laughable when i hear people say what a president has claimed what he will do. Just on the face he does not have the actual power to make such decisions! In this case as the Commander and Cheif he does have conrol over troops, but not the purse strings and you still need a declaration of war "although already in progres"! But even the most intelligent debates don't seem to address this often enough. Only a couple of times have i seen them call them out and say "well you do need congress' support to acomplish that"! I know Bush did not get the decleration of war too! It's just that people don't seem to give credit where credit is due! Like Barney Frank and the housing debacle!" Actually, I thoroughly understand the political process, and I agree with you. However, 1) It's been hijacked and turned into a quasi-dictatorship since the days of Lincoln. 2) most Americans are Constitutionally illiterate and don't understand what you just said. All we can do now is try to tip the balance in favor of individual freedom and liberty as best we can. yep actually realized you did by your posts! I was only elaborating on your thought! I agree with what you said i was just taking it a step further to not only say he is a liar, but adding only an ignorant person beleived most of his lies! |
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"You know this question always makes me think if people understand the political proccess? The President only represents a peice of 1/3 of our goverment and that's on the federal level! So with that said when the presidential campaign is running it's always laughable when i hear people say what a president has claimed what he will do. Just on the face he does not have the actual power to make such decisions! In this case as the Commander and Cheif he does have conrol over troops, but not the purse strings and you still need a declaration of war "although already in progres"! But even the most intelligent debates don't seem to address this often enough. Only a couple of times have i seen them call them out and say "well you do need congress' support to acomplish that"! I know Bush did not get the decleration of war too! It's just that people don't seem to give credit where credit is due! Like Barney Frank and the housing debacle!" Actually, I thoroughly understand the political process, and I agree with you. However, 1) It's been hijacked and turned into a quasi-dictatorship since the days of Lincoln. 2) most Americans are Constitutionally illiterate and don't understand what you just said. All we can do now is try to tip the balance in favor of individual freedom and liberty as best we can. I am all for Individual Freedom but I do not think that includes turning our backs on the poorest and weakest. If we do then we serve only our selfishness and lose our humanity. I'm 49 years old and have voted in every election since I was old enough. It is a fact that now, under the Obama Admin, we are closer to a Gov of the People and by the people than we have been in my lifetime. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature=player_embedded Here is BO back during the campaign lying to us. "If we have not gotten the troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do". How long will the Obamabots put up with the lies? Will they continue to be hypocrites and support BO's illegal wars?  
Don't stop with just that one...Obama had many "camapign words" for us that now mean nothing. Remember what he said about transparency and ethics???? Remember what he said about lobbyist working in his administration??? Remeber what he said about military tribunals??? Remember what he said about the Patriot act??? Remember what he said about Afghanistan??? Geez, what a liar...... |
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Im curious. .was he to put off doing ANYTHING else until that was done...? Is that why that statement makes him a liar? I believe the sentence is probably out of context of a long list of things he planned to INITIATE,, but he cannot push these things through alone or overnight. I hope voters understood that,, I did. The reason he is a liar is because Obama is no idiot. So when he states in a campaign that they will acomplish something that is utterly impossible politically they are one of two things. Either they are a liar or a complete idiot! So why did he make a lot of the comments he did? It's politics and they all do it Obama is no saint he plays politics just like any other politician! But when they make statements to the ignorant to get vote's it pisses me off! I knew he had no solution to the war against terrorism but he pretended to and criticized others. Well now it's his turn! He said he would fix it, now fix it! He gets no free ride just like Bush didn't get a free ride! So now who's chicken's are coming back to roost? |
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"You know this question always makes me think if people understand the political proccess? The President only represents a peice of 1/3 of our goverment and that's on the federal level! So with that said when the presidential campaign is running it's always laughable when i hear people say what a president has claimed what he will do. Just on the face he does not have the actual power to make such decisions! In this case as the Commander and Cheif he does have conrol over troops, but not the purse strings and you still need a declaration of war "although already in progres"! But even the most intelligent debates don't seem to address this often enough. Only a couple of times have i seen them call them out and say "well you do need congress' support to acomplish that"! I know Bush did not get the decleration of war too! It's just that people don't seem to give credit where credit is due! Like Barney Frank and the housing debacle!" Actually, I thoroughly understand the political process, and I agree with you. However, 1) It's been hijacked and turned into a quasi-dictatorship since the days of Lincoln. 2) most Americans are Constitutionally illiterate and don't understand what you just said. All we can do now is try to tip the balance in favor of individual freedom and liberty as best we can. I am all for Individual Freedom but I do not think that includes turning our backs on the poorest and weakest. If we do then we serve only our selfishness and lose our humanity. I'm 49 years old and have voted in every election since I was old enough. It is a fact that now, under the Obama Admin, we are closer to a Gov of the People and by the people than we have been in my lifetime.  
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"You know this question always makes me think if people understand the political proccess? The President only represents a peice of 1/3 of our goverment and that's on the federal level! So with that said when the presidential campaign is running it's always laughable when i hear people say what a president has claimed what he will do. Just on the face he does not have the actual power to make such decisions! In this case as the Commander and Cheif he does have conrol over troops, but not the purse strings and you still need a declaration of war "although already in progres"! But even the most intelligent debates don't seem to address this often enough. Only a couple of times have i seen them call them out and say "well you do need congress' support to acomplish that"! I know Bush did not get the decleration of war too! It's just that people don't seem to give credit where credit is due! Like Barney Frank and the housing debacle!" Actually, I thoroughly understand the political process, and I agree with you. However, 1) It's been hijacked and turned into a quasi-dictatorship since the days of Lincoln. 2) most Americans are Constitutionally illiterate and don't understand what you just said. All we can do now is try to tip the balance in favor of individual freedom and liberty as best we can. I am all for Individual Freedom but I do not think that includes turning our backs on the poorest and weakest. If we do then we serve only our selfishness and lose our humanity. I'm 49 years old and have voted in every election since I was old enough. It is a fact that now, under the Obama Admin, we are closer to a Gov of the People and by the people than we have been in my lifetime. obviously sir you are quite uninformed and need to realize that taxing the rich and givivng to the rich while letting the poor pick up the crumbs is not freedom! Your statement is so ridiculous and ignorant that i cant even take you seriously at this point! |
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Obama has not so much lied as the Republican Party has put up road blocks making it almost impossible to accomplish everything he promised.
It's not for a lack of trying. The Republican Party is pro-republican and anti-American. I will never rest until the cease to exist as a Political power. I will never vote for another Republican candidate and am actively campaigning to bring others to do the same. |
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The rich are now, thanks to Bush, taxed less than they have ever been in the history of our country.
Let me guess. You didn't understand that. Or is it perhaps that the Republican blogs fail to mention that in their propaganda? |
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Obama has not so much lied as the Republican Party has put up road blocks making it almost impossible to accomplish everything he promised. It's not for a lack of trying. The Republican Party is pro-republican and anti-American. I will never rest until the cease to exist as a Political power. I will never vote for another Republican candidate and am actively campaigning to bring others to do the same. okay time to shread you! first of all they have the majority duh!!!!! the heathcare bill just passed just barely passed and was held up because he did not have support of his own party! They not only wiil exsist but it's gonna be a house cleaning in 2010 mark my words! how does larger government and taxes equate to freedom? how is imposing healthcare on people that dont want it freedom? geez! |
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The rich are now, thanks to Bush, taxed less than they have ever been in the history of our country. Let me guess. You didn't understand that. Or is it perhaps that the Republican blogs fail to mention that in their propaganda? [/quote thats is incorrect lol.... typical lefty no facts! The history of taxes will show you they have always gone up not down and yes during Bush taxes went down but still far higher than in previous years! jeez read up pal! Taxes have never went down! Only held in check during republican administartions only to be raised higher again! |
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The rich are now, thanks to Bush, taxed less than they have ever been in the history of our country. Let me guess. You didn't understand that. Or is it perhaps that the Republican blogs fail to mention that in their propaganda? i still cant beleive this comment you proved yourself to be exactly what you accused me of! Listening to the left wing propaganda! Taxes where lower during bush than ever in history? Are you kidding me? your only off by like 900% lol... |
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Yep i guess that his lies could not be defended anymore?
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sun 11/15/09 03:32 PM
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LMAO!
You call that shredding? I call it uninformed. Taxes have went down. Way down, for the last 150 years. Look it up. Its listed on a gov web-site. Gov site, not Republican blogsite. |
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LMAO! You call that shredding? I call it uninformed. Taxes have went down. Way down, for the last 150 years. Look it up. Its listed on a gov web-site. Gov site, not Republican blogsite. okay i hate doing research for others its too unfair but since you challenged me here you go now what? It's not true right? lol... http://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+taxes+americans+have+paid+in+history&hl=en&tbo=p&ei=X5IAS42FKIKutQPh1-HFDA&sa=X&oi=timeline_other_dates&ct=timeline-other-dates&ved=0CBIQpQI&tbs=tl:1,tlul:1776,tluh:2009
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I've done the research! And lived when it was higher.
Perhaps you should read the information. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sun 11/15/09 04:43 PM
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LMAO! You call that shredding? I call it uninformed. Taxes have went down. Way down, for the last 150 years. Look it up. Its listed on a gov web-site. Gov site, not Republican blogsite. okay i hate doing research for others its too unfair but since you challenged me here you go now what? It's not true right? lol... http://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+taxes+americans+have+paid+in+history&hl=en&tbo=p&ei=X5IAS42FKIKutQPh1-HFDA&sa=X&oi=timeline_other_dates&ct=timeline-other-dates&ved=0CBIQpQI&tbs=tl:1,tlul:1776,tluh:2009
LOL OK, I see your problem. You need to get a site that will actually tell you something. Try this one. http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/insoisintr.pdf By 1918, the top rate of the income tax was increased to 77% (on income over $1,000,000) to finance World War I. The top marginal tax rate was reduced to 58% in 1922, to 25% in 1925, and finally to 24% in 1929. In 1932 the top marginal tax rate was increased to 63% during the Great Depression and steadily increased, reaching 94% (on all income over $200,000) in 1945. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments, Franklin D. Roosevelt tried to impose a 100% tax on all incomes over $25,000 to help with the war effort. Top marginal tax rates stayed near or above 90% until 1964 when the top marginal tax rate was lowered to 70%. The top marginal tax rate was lowered to 50% in 1982 and eventually to 28% in 1988. However, in the intervening years Congress subsequently increased the top marginal tax rate to 35% which is the tax rate currently in 2008. So you see the taxes on the top earners has went down steadily for years. Maybe not 150 years but years nonetheless. Business has seen the same rate of decline. In 1917, business, dividends, and interest accounted for 54% of all income taxes collected by the Fed. Ind Income tax was only 26% of the total. By 1970, business, dividends, and interest accounted for only 12-13%. While Ind Income taxes were 83.19% 0f the total. Now if the rich have saw a decrease. Where do you suppose the difference is made up? I can see a few places it is. One, and probably the largest, is by raising the tax on the middle class. In favor of those who can afford to pay it most. Second, Sales tax and gasoline which we all pay. Rich or poor. If you drive and eat you pay it. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature=player_embedded Here is BO back during the campaign lying to us. "If we have not gotten the troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do". How long will the Obamabots put up with the lies? Will they continue to be hypocrites and support BO's illegal wars?
Don't stop with just that one...Obama had many "camapign words" for us that now mean nothing. Remember what he said about transparency and ethics???? Remember what he said about lobbyist working in his administration??? Remeber what he said about military tribunals??? Remember what he said about the Patriot act??? Remember what he said about Afghanistan??? Geez, what a liar...... you left out will not raise tax...... no tax of any kind on those that make less than 250k |
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LMAO! You call that shredding? I call it uninformed. Taxes have went down. Way down, for the last 150 years. Look it up. Its listed on a gov web-site. Gov site, not Republican blogsite. okay i hate doing research for others its too unfair but since you challenged me here you go now what? It's not true right? lol... http://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+taxes+americans+have+paid+in+history&hl=en&tbo=p&ei=X5IAS42FKIKutQPh1-HFDA&sa=X&oi=timeline_other_dates&ct=timeline-other-dates&ved=0CBIQpQI&tbs=tl:1,tlul:1776,tluh:2009
LOL OK, I see your problem. You need to get a site that will actually tell you something. Try this one. http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/insoisintr.pdf By 1918, the top rate of the income tax was increased to 77% (on income over $1,000,000) to finance World War I. The top marginal tax rate was reduced to 58% in 1922, to 25% in 1925, and finally to 24% in 1929. In 1932 the top marginal tax rate was increased to 63% during the Great Depression and steadily increased, reaching 94% (on all income over $200,000) in 1945. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments, Franklin D. Roosevelt tried to impose a 100% tax on all incomes over $25,000 to help with the war effort. Top marginal tax rates stayed near or above 90% until 1964 when the top marginal tax rate was lowered to 70%. The top marginal tax rate was lowered to 50% in 1982 and eventually to 28% in 1988. However, in the intervening years Congress subsequently increased the top marginal tax rate to 35% which is the tax rate currently in 2008. So you see the taxes on the top earners has went down steadily for years. Maybe not 150 years but years nonetheless. Business has seen the same rate of decline. In 1917, business, dividends, and interest accounted for 54% of all income taxes collected by the Fed. Ind Income tax was only 26% of the total. By 1970, business, dividends, and interest accounted for only 12-13%. While Ind Income taxes were 83.19% 0f the total. Now if the rich have saw a decrease. Where do you suppose the difference is made up? I can see a few places it is. One, and probably the largest, is by raising the tax on the middle class. In favor of those who can afford to pay it most. Second, Sales tax and gasoline which we all pay. Rich or poor. If you drive and eat you pay it. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature=player_embedded Here is BO back during the campaign lying to us. "If we have not gotten the troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do". How long will the Obamabots put up with the lies? Will they continue to be hypocrites and support BO's illegal wars?
Don't stop with just that one...Obama had many "camapign words" for us that now mean nothing. Remember what he said about transparency and ethics???? Remember what he said about lobbyist working in his administration??? Remeber what he said about military tribunals??? Remember what he said about the Patriot act??? Remember what he said about Afghanistan??? Geez, what a liar...... you left out will not raise tax...... no tax of any kind on those that make less than 250k Yup, add that one to the list. Some r so still hung up on Bush that they r "STILL IN DENIAL" |
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If you want the truth...I have no idea what Obama is doing.
I really don't. The media that tries to guess is usually guesses wrong and there is a lot of BS and misinformation out there. I don't know...I feel like Obama is waiting for something? |
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