Many if not most Christians have not read the Old Testament word for word, many churches across America do not read certain passages. I think anyone with a rational perspective on life would agree with me that the Old Testament (Deuteronomy in particular) stains the entire concept of Christianity. Gods horrific laws and demands constantly repeated in the Old Testament implode on themselves. There is no possible way to even scratch at the surface of justification for the acts of God, he is the biggest monster ever created by man and is drenched in repulsion that swarms deluded concepts of fear tactics that antidotes death anxiety.

I'm sure many of you reading this were conditioned from childhood to believe in God or else burn for eternity, that is an oblivious form of mental child abuse that is going on daily in this world, that is one reason "we" fight religion and for the fact that it supports, enables, and justifies the most absurd acts on this planet. Unintentional brain washing aside, what has our past and present taught us? What have we seen? Jihadists, crusaders, inquisitors, martyrs, and many sub sets that mimic their despicable themes. Today we have people flying planes into buildings and blowing themselves up so they can enter an eternal paradise. We have people who claim to be worshipping the only true god and everyone else on this planet (4 out of the 6 billion) people alive are going to burn for eternity, these people call themselves Christians.

Keep in mind the common concept of God is that he knew the future of everyones acts before they happened and then he created everything, he premeditated every death in the history of mankind (yes the full six thousand years of life lol). I recommend that you guys read the entire book of Deuteronomy, it is even more horrific in full. "Nothing will make you an atheist faster than reading the damn Bible" -Penn from Penn and Teller




Deuteronomy 2
Defeat of Sihon King of Heshbon

31 The LORD said to me, "See, I have begun to deliver Sihon and his country over to you. Now begin to conquer and possess his land."

32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The LORD our God gave us all of them. 37 But in accordance with the command of the LORD our God, you did not encroach on any of the land of the Ammonites, neither the land along the course of the Jabbok nor that around the towns in the hills.


Deuteronomy 3
Defeat of Og King of Bashan

3 So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. 4 At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. 6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. 7 But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.


Deuteronomy 4
Obedience Commanded

3 You saw with your own eyes what the LORD did at Baal Peor. The LORD your God destroyed from among you everyone who followed the Baal of Peor, 4 but all of you who held fast to the LORD your God are still alive today.

Idolatry Forbidden

23 Be careful not to forget the covenant of the LORD your God that he made with you; do not make for yourselves an idol in the form of anything the LORD your God has forbidden. 24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.


Deuteronomy 5
The Ten Commandments

7 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me. 8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Nothing made me an atheist faster than being called a "sodomite" and "abomination" and that there was no hope for a filthy fa***t.......that's the kind of love I'm used to

Saul called abominites in his letters "arsenokoitei". The toughest word for subsequent bible researchers to translate into any modern language. It's not that the meaning is obscured or archaic; no, the meaning is alive and well. It's the derogatory and extreme expletive nature and connotation of the word that make people shy away from putting it straight as it is said into the book that is the Word of God.

hey, I know how you feel. I've always been an atheist and I'm not gay.
However, I've had those same "loving" exclamations hurled at me. Among others....
Ya gotta love the outright stupidity of most religionists.

Yeah, it's really quite humorous just how much hypocrisy seeps out of so-called "normal" people.

I love when they try to defend this passage in the bible. As hard as they can they cannot defend the rape of children.


(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Seeps?? More like pours. I never knew how to fight until I moved to a hick town full of "good" christians.

he's such a loving and forgiving god, isn't he...

there is no need to defend a god, the fact that they accepted this concept already means that logic was long dead locked in their basement with the keys hidden some where in mordor. good luck fordo.

Yep, that one always seperates the Fundy biblical inerrantists from the moderates. The moderates will claim that it was just history (which I've read, BTW, never happened) while the Fundies invariably claim that "They deserved it." One of the UberFundies on here even makes the claim that his version of god was only saving the Midianites from evil by having them slaughtered and that the virgins were likewise rescued from a life of evil.

There seems to be no end to the ability of some people to compartmentalize and stay in denial.

-Kerry O.

that is certainly true.

Interesting what we grasp onto….
In a book written 1500 years ago by primitive hut dwellers…
(500 years and approximately 25 generations of verbal passed down myth-stories after Jesus may or may not have lived)
God tells man not to eat an apple, but a talking snake tells man to eat it, so.. man listens to the talking snake…. God is upset (a loving, forgiving god ??), so he immaculately inseminates a woman (if not by her choice–rape ??, if she was married to Joseph at the time—adultery ??) and she gives birth to him/his son so he can suffer and die for us (Jesus chooses to die for us–suicide ??) because we sinned when we listened to the talking snake and ate an apple.. what a strange story…

I contend that we are all atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than religious people do. When religious “believers” understand why they dismiss all possible gods and religions except for their one “true” god , they will understand why I dismiss theirs.

The day people lose the fear of the threat of burning in hell will be the first intellectually free day of their life. Christianity and its rules and threats and prejudices was created by hut-dwellers thousands of years ago in order to gain power over their fellow human beings. New religions continue to crop up constantly in much the same way Christianity originally did- look at the Mormons, Scientologists and other less-successful religions. Christianity actually is like many religions, resurrection, virgin birth, god lives in heaven, etc….

The basis of religion and believing in Jesus is fear…. fear of going to hell (another man made myth–hell)
fear of what happens to us when we die. fear of God punishing us… (many examples especially in the old testament)
all of the stories, myths, fairytales about Jesus, including Jesus is God, were written hundreds of years after his death by primitive hut dwellers….

look at the big picture, Jesus is just another God in a long line of man-made Gods… during Jesus time, mankind was moving from polytheism to monotheism…. there were many “messiahs” ( 7 or 8 major ones) during Jesus life… Constantine helped Christianity become the big religion by making it the official religion of Rome.
Again, think about how ridiculous and unbelievable all of the other gods and religions are to you, and you will see why the Jesus myth is just another imaginary… (another word for faith) belief system.

Two things are needed to become a religious person….
1) exposure to religion… you are a Christian because you are surrounded by it, if you lived in a Hindu community you would gravitate toward.. I think you get my drift
2) a personal need and weakness…. religious people are less responsible for their actions and consequences, they lean on religion to help them deal with life, and use it as an excuse for their actions (religion is imaginary, a delusion, therefore actually a type of psychosis)

The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud

where are you guys when i go off on my anti-religion sprees,i hope laughing at the things i come up with cause to an atheist they are rather funny. seriously don't be affraid and hide in this topic..express yourself

yer preachin to the chior, so to speak

I've often wondered that myself...

I'm just jelous the voices are now talking to you...