Topic: The Law of The Spirit in Christ Jesus!
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Tue 11/10/09 10:45 AM

I was coming up with my verse for today,when I come up with Romans 8:2. As I was reading it, I realized that this verse is such that it not only demands more than just typing it out, but It deserves it.

For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus had made me free from the law of sin and death(Rom.8:2)

Without a doubt, Romans 8:2 is one of the most important Scriptures in the entirety of the Bible. It sums up all that Paul has been teaching. It tells us how the Holy Spirit works in our lives. Tragically, alot of Christians just take the Holy Spirit for granted, not really knowing how He works, what He does, and the manner in which He does it. Even though the Holy Spirit will do all He possibly can to help the Believer, still, if we function outside of God's Prescribed Order, which is Christ and the Cross, the help the Holy Spirit gives is greatly curtailed. This spells trouble. But let's see how He works.

First of all. this of which we speak is "the law," a law devised by the Godhead even before the foundation of the world(I Pet. 1:18-20). Being a "law," actually "the law," this means that the Holy Spirit is not going to work outside of the framework of this law. We should understand that.

It is the Holy Spirit Who works in the hearts and lives of Believers, Who Alone can make us what we ought to be. If we try outside of this "law" to develop His Fruit, or Chrislikeness, Righteousness, Holiness, or Victory of any nature, we are doomed to failure. We need to remember that! He will not differ from this, not vary from God's Prescribed Order.

He is called "The Spirit of Life" because He is the Superintendent of all that Christ did at the Cross. In a sense, the Holy Spirit is a dispenser of this "Life" afforded By Christ. In other words, you are not going to get it any other way.

The word "Life," as it is used here, refers to every single thing that Christ did at the Cross. In other words, everything that man lost in the Fall, and we mean every thing, was adddressed at the Cross, which is all wrapped up in the one word "Life." Admittedly, we do not now have everthing for which Jesus paid such a price, actually having only the firstfruits, with the balance coming at the Resurrection; still, what we actually do now have in Christ is enough to supply all that we presently need, whatever that might be. This is what "Life" in Romans 8:2 actually means.

While all of this "Life" comes from Christ as the Source, with the Cross as the Means, stil, it is the Holy Spirit Who is the Superintendent of all that Christ has done-The Dispenser, as one might say. It come from Christ by the means of the Cross and throught the Spirit(Jn.7:37-39).

The phrase,"In Christ Jesus," describes this "Law" and the way the Spirit works. Paul uses this phrase,"in Christ Jesus," or one of its derivatives, such as "inHim," etc. over one hundred times in his fourteen Epistles. Without exception, it refers to what Christ did at the Cross, all on our behalf. Paul never uses it in any toher fashion. It always refers to the Cross.

For us to be the beneficiary of all that Christ did, through which the Holy Spirit works, all that is demanded of us is that our Faith constantly rest in that Finished Work. This is imperstive. When this is done, all that Jesus did will be ours, guaranteed by the Holy Spirit.

"The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus," which we hopefully have explained, is the only "Law" which can give one victory over "the law of sin and death." No matter the effort made, if we try to obtain that victory by any other manner, defeat is sure.

If the Believer faithfully follows this which the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostle Paul, which Paul then gave to us, victory then is guaranteed and "the sin nature will not have dominion over us" (Rom.6:14). But if works of the flesh are prevalent in the Believer's life, that means that he or she is not functioning in "the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus," but rather i some law made up by themselves or other men.

In the Lord's Way is "Life"! In the Lord's Way alone is "Life"!

Love In Jesus CAN YOU SEE IT


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Thu 11/12/09 09:57 AM

Great Subjects: Rom.6-The Cross, Sanctification,Rom.7-The Law of Sin and Death,The Believers struggle against The Sin Nature, Rom.8-Gods' Prescribed Order of Victory, The Law Of The Spirit Of Life In Christ Jesus, Contrast, Deliverance,Conquerors======== Romans chapters:6,7 & 8

Rom.6:1 "What shall we say then?(This is meant to direct attention to Rom.5:20.)Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?"(Just because Grace is greater than sin doesn't mean that the Believer has a license to sin.)

2.God forbid(presents Pauls' answer to the question). How shall we, who are dead to sin(the sin nature),live any longer therein?(This portrays what the Believer is now in Christ.)
3.Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ(plainly says that this Baptism is into Christ and not water[1Cor.1:17;12:13;Gal.3:27;Eph.4:5;Col.2:11-13]) were baptized into His Death?(When Christ died on the Cross, in the Mind of God, we died with Him; in other words, He became our Substiture,and our identification with Him in His Death gives us all the benefits for which He died; the idea is that He did it all for us!)
4.Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death(not only did we die with Him,but we were buried with Him as well,which means that all the sin and transgression of the past were buried;when they put Him in the Tomb,they put all of our sins into that Tomb as well):that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the Glory of the Father,even so we also should walk in newness of life(we died with Him,we were bured with Him,and His Resurrection was our Resurrection to a"Newness of Life").

5.For if we have been planted together(with Christ)in the likeness of His death(Paul proclaims the Cross as the instrument through which all Blessings come;consequently,the Cross must ever be the Objest of our Faith, which gives the Holy Spirit latitude to work within our lives),we shall be also in the likeness of His Resurrection(we can have the "likeness of His Resurrection,"i.e.,"live this Resurrection Life,"only as long as we understand the "likeness of His Death,"which refers to the Cross as the means by which all of this is done):

6.(The guilt of Sin is removed at conversion, because the nature no longer rules in our hearts and lives)
7.(We died with him upon Believing Faith,& set free from the bondage of The Sin Nature)

8.(We have Resurrection Life which is more Abundant Life[Jn.10:10])
9.Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more(means that His Work was a Finished Work, and will require nothing else);death has no more dominion over Him(because all sin has been Atoned; inasmuch as Christ is our Substiture, if death has no more dominion over Him, it has no more dominion over us' this means that the power of the sin nature is broken).
10.(All life comes from God and we receive that life by virtue of the Cross and our Faith in that Finished Work)
11.(While the Sin Nature is not dead, we are dead unto the sin nature by virtue of The Cross and our Faith in that Sacrifice,but only as long as our Faith continues in The Cross)
12.(The Believer must constantly look to Christ and The Cross[1Cor.1:17-18])
13.(Continued day to day Faith in the Finished Work of The Cross[Lk.9:23-24])

14.(If we try to live by any law, no matter how good it might be in its own right,the sin nature will have dominion over us because we are under Grace. The Grace of God flows to the believer on an unending basis only as long as the Believer exercises Faith in Christ and what He did at the Cross.Grace is the Goodness of God exercised by and through the Holy Spirit, and given to undeserving Saints)
15.(No license to Sin)
16.(We are slaves to sin unto death or Christ unto Life)
17.(Jesus Christ and Him Crucified)
18.(Slaves to Righteousness by Proper Faith in The Cross)
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22.(Free from Sin,Servants to God,The Holy Spirit and Everlasting Life)
23.For the wages of sin is death(speaks of spiritual death,which is separation from God);but the Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord(as stated, all of this, without exception, comes to us by the means of whatChrist did at the Cross, which demands that the Cross ever be the Object of our Faith, thus giving the Holy Spirit latitude to work within our lives and bring forth His Fruit).

Only One Way To Victory:::Gods Prescribed Order Of Victory=Complete and Continuous Faith In Christ and What He Did On The Cross In Every Aspect Of Your Life Thru The Leadind And Power Of The Holy Spirit

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Tue 11/17/09 09:57 AM
I see it often that Paul said to do away with the law,. Even though he was Yahshua chosen Vessel.

If Paul did this then why does he sacrafice in acts 21 as prescribed in Numbers 6? Shalom...Miles


Acts 21:20-27
20 And when they heard it, they glorified Yahweh. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality."

26 Arrested in the Temple


Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him,
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Num 6:9-21

9'And if anyone dies very suddenly beside him, and he defiles his consecrated head, then he shall shave his head on the day of his cleansing; on the seventh day he shall shave it. 10 Then on the eighth day he shall bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting; 11 and the priest shall offer one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, and make atonement for him, because he sinned in regard to the corpse; and he shall sanctify his head that same day. 12 He shall consecrate to Yahweh the days of his separation, and bring a male lamb in its first year as a trespass offering; but the former days shall be lost, because his separation was defiled.

13'Now this is the law of the Nazirite: When the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall be brought to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 14 And he shall present his offering to the Lord: one male lamb in its first year without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb in its first year without blemish as a sin offering, one ram without blemish as a peace offering, 15 a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mixed with oil, unleavened wafers anointed with oil, and their grain offering with their drink offerings.

16'Then the priest shall bring them before Yahweh and offer his sin offering and his burnt offering; 17 and he shall offer the ram as a sacrifice of a peace offering to Yahweh, with the basket of unleavened bread; the priest shall also offer its grain offering and its drink offering. 18 Then the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offering.

19'And the priest shall take the boiled shoulder of the ram, one unleavened cake from the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and put them upon the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his consecrated hair, 20 and the priest shall wave them as a wave offering before Yahweh; they are holy for the priest, together with the breast of the wave offering and the thigh of the heave offering. After that the Nazirite may drink wine.'

21 "This is the law of the Nazirite who vows to Yahweh the offering for his separation, and besides that, whatever else his hand is able to provide; according to the vow which he takes, so he must do according to the law of his separation."
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Wed 11/18/09 12:47 AM
Edited by flintman1955 on Wed 11/18/09 12:51 AM

I see it often that Paul said to do away with the law,. Even though he was Yahshua chosen Vessel.

If Paul did this then why does he sacrafice in acts 21 as prescribed in Numbers 6? Shalom...Miles


Acts 21:20-27
20 And when they heard it, they glorified Yahweh. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality."

26 Arrested in the Temple


Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him,
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Num 6:9-21

9'And if anyone dies very suddenly beside him, and he defiles his consecrated head, then he shall shave his head on the day of his cleansing; on the seventh day he shall shave it. 10 Then on the eighth day he shall bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting; 11 and the priest shall offer one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, and make atonement for him, because he sinned in regard to the corpse; and he shall sanctify his head that same day. 12 He shall consecrate to Yahweh the days of his separation, and bring a male lamb in its first year as a trespass offering; but the former days shall be lost, because his separation was defiled.

13'Now this is the law of the Nazirite: When the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall be brought to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 14 And he shall present his offering to the Lord: one male lamb in its first year without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb in its first year without blemish as a sin offering, one ram without blemish as a peace offering, 15 a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mixed with oil, unleavened wafers anointed with oil, and their grain offering with their drink offerings.

16'Then the priest shall bring them before Yahweh and offer his sin offering and his burnt offering; 17 and he shall offer the ram as a sacrifice of a peace offering to Yahweh, with the basket of unleavened bread; the priest shall also offer its grain offering and its drink offering. 18 Then the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offering.

19'And the priest shall take the boiled shoulder of the ram, one unleavened cake from the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and put them upon the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his consecrated hair, 20 and the priest shall wave them as a wave offering before Yahweh; they are holy for the priest, together with the breast of the wave offering and the thigh of the heave offering. After that the Nazirite may drink wine.'

21 "This is the law of the Nazirite who vows to Yahweh the offering for his separation, and besides that, whatever else his hand is able to provide; according to the vow which he takes, so he must do according to the law of his separation."
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MILES,,

BELOW IS AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED ABOVE. IT'S ALL ABOUT FAITH IN JESUS AND WHAT HE DID ON THE CROSS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SALVATION AND SANCTIFICATION FROM SIN. WE ARE TO PRAY AND SEEK THE LEADING AND GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ALL THAT WE DO. HE WILL ALWAYS POINT TO JESUS WHO WILL ALWAYS POINT TO GOD THE FATHER!


ACTS 21:

10: And as we tarried there many days(waiting for the Day of Pentecost), there came down from Judaea a certain prophet(the same Brother mentioned in Acts 11:28), named Agabus.

11: And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle(a sash worn around the waist like a belt), and bound his own hands and feet(presents that which The Holy Spirit told him to do as an object lesson), and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.(this was designed by the Holy Spirit to test Paul's resolution to obey the inward voice which bound him to go, even as Elijah tested Elisha)

12: And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem.(but Paul must listen to the Holy Spirit, not men)

13: Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart?(They kept trying to persuade him, becoming emotionally distraught with some of them weeping) for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.(proclaims the consecration already settled in Paul's heart and mind respecting these coming events)

14: And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.(means that all had now come to the place where they realized what Paul was doing and the direction he was going were indeed the Will of God; Paul was a chosen vessel to offer the Kingdom to Israel, as well as to proclaim it among the Gentiles; the final offer he would shortly give to Israel was a Divine necessity; but as we shall see, they rejected that offer and went to their doom)

15: And after those days we took up our carriages(referred to their baggage, whatever that may have been), and went up to Jerusalem.(it was approximately sixty miles, and they probably walked)

16: There went with us also certain of the disciples of Caesarea(meant that the party is now quite large, possibly numbering fifteen to twenty people, or even more), and brought with them one Mnason of Cyprus(he was originally from Cyprus, but now lived in Jerusalem, or nearby), an old disciple(does not necessarily mean old in age, but thought by some to have been one of the original group Baptized with the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost), with whom we should lodge.(Mnason had invited Paul and his party to stay at his home while in Jerusalem)

17: And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.(indicates some of the Saints in Jerusalem, but not necessarily the leaders of the Church at this particular time; that would come the next day)

18: And the day following Paul went in with us unto James.(refers to James, the Lord's Brother, who was the Senior Pastor of the Church in Jerusalem); and all the elders were present(refers to the many Pastors who served with James concerning the Church in Jerusalem; the Church was quite large, perhaps numbering as many as thiry thousand members or more)

19: And when he(Paul) had saluted them(greeted them), he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.(gave an account of his second and third Missionary Journeys with the planting of many Churches)

20: And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:(meaning their newfound Faith in Christ stirred them up to serve the Lord with a new zeal, which they channeled in the direction of attempting to obey the Law of Moses to an even greater degree than ever)

21: And they are informed of thee(concerned itself with charges against Paul relative to what he was teaching concerning the Law/Grace issue), that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses(was not correct, at least in the manner in which it was being said; in fact, Paul preached almost exclusively from the Old Testament, holding up all that it stated as pointing to Christ), saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.(once again, this was not exactly what Paul was saying; he taught that Circumcision did not save the soul, and that no flesh shall be justified by the deeds of the Law(Rom.3:24-31;4:21;Gal.3:19-25))

22: What is it therefore?(I think this illustrates that James himself was not settled on the matter, respecting Paul) the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.(we aren't told anything about this particular meeting of which James spoke)

23: Do therefore this that we say to thee(proclaims a plan James , it seems, thought might defuse the situation): We have four men which have a vow on them;(pertained to the Nazarite Vow(Num.6:14-20))

24: Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing(the thought here is that if Paul was as opposed to the Law as it was claimed, he certainly would not be in the Temple carrying out a Nazarite Vow, which was a part of the Mosaic Law); but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.(no answer from Paul is recorded; we know that Paul didn't keep the Law as it regarded all of its rituals and ceremonies; in fact, all of that was fulfilled in Christ; the only answer we can give concerning Paul's action in doing what James said is that he was trying to prevent a aplit in the Church; it is my opinion that James didn't understand the Message of Grace as he should, and was still trying to hold to the Law; about ten years later, the Lord made it impossible for the Law to be kept anymore, in that the Temple was totally destroyed by the Roman Army)

25: As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing(releases Gentiles from obligation to the Mosaic Law; it is obvious here, however, that James didn't include the Jews in this freedom, which presented a dichotomy and caused great problems in the Early Church), save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.(this was right; but as stated, James didn't include the Jews, which made that part wrong)

26: Then Paul took the men(the four men of Verse 23), and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification(presents something which Paul had, no doubt, done at times in the past), until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.(speaks of the Sacrifices to be offered at the conclusion of the seven days)

27: And when the seven days were almost ended(seven days of purification), the Jews which were of Asia(Jews came from all over the Roman Empire to keep the various Feasts; Ephesus was in Asia, so these Jews know Paul and were not happy with him at all), when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,(they bodily seized him)

28: Crying out, Men of Israel, help(Paul was in the innermost Court with other men): This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place(once again portrays one of Satan's favorite tactics of twisting what has actually been said to make it mean something else entirely): and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this Holy Place.(was an entirely false accusation; the four men with Paul were Jews)

29: (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)(They jumped to conclusions!)

30: And all the city was moved(the claim that Paul had brought a Gentile into the Innermost Court spread like wildfire), and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple(actually means they dragged him out, beating him as they went; he was dragged into the Court of the Gentiles, which was the Outer Court): and forthwith the doors were shut.(referred to the doors of the Court of the Gentiles, and the Court of Women)

31: And as they went about to kill him(such is religion!), tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.(pertained to the Roman Tribune who commanded a cohort of approzimately a thousand soldiers)

32: Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul.(which no doubt saved Paul's life)

33: Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.(speaking to the Jews)

34: And some cried one thing, some another, among the multitude: and when he could not know the certainty for the tumult, he commanded him to be carried into the castle.

35: And when he came upon the stairs, so it was, that he was borne of the soldiers for the violence of the people.(in order to protect him the soldiers were forced to lift him up, possibly even above their heads)

36: For the multitude of the people(the Jews) followed after, crying, Away with him.(presents the cry of those who had also thirsted for the Blood of Jesus Christ(Lk.23:18))

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For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus had made me free from the law of sin and death(Rom.8:2)

Without a doubt, Romans 8:2 is one of the most important Scriptures in the entirety of the Bible. It sums up all that Paul has been teaching. It tells us how the Holy Spirit works in our lives. Tragically, alot of Christians just take the Holy Spirit for granted, not really knowing how He works, what He does, and the manner in which He does it. Even though the Holy Spirit will do all He possibly can to help the Believer, still, if we function outside of God's Prescribed Order, which is Christ and the Cross, the help the Holy Spirit gives is greatly curtailed. This spells trouble. But let's see how He works.

First of all. this of which we speak is "the law," a law devised by the Godhead even before the foundation of the world(I Pet. 1:18-20). Being a "law," actually "the law," this means that the Holy Spirit is not going to work outside of the framework of this law. We should understand that.

It is the Holy Spirit Who works in the hearts and lives of Believers, Who Alone can make us what we ought to be. If we try outside of this "law" to develop His Fruit, or Chrislikeness, Righteousness, Holiness, or Victory of any nature, we are doomed to failure. We need to remember that! He will not differ from this, not vary from God's Prescribed Order.

He is called "The Spirit of Life" because He is the Superintendent of all that Christ did at the Cross. In a sense, the Holy Spirit is a dispenser of this "Life" afforded By Christ. In other words, you are not going to get it any other way.

The word "Life," as it is used here, refers to every single thing that Christ did at the Cross. In other words, everything that man lost in the Fall, and we mean every thing, was adddressed at the Cross, which is all wrapped up in the one word "Life." Admittedly, we do not now have everthing for which Jesus paid such a price, actually having only the firstfruits, with the balance coming at the Resurrection; still, what we actually do now have in Christ is enough to supply all that we presently need, whatever that might be. This is what "Life" in Romans 8:2 actually means.

While all of this "Life" comes from Christ as the Source, with the Cross as the Means, stil, it is the Holy Spirit Who is the Superintendent of all that Christ has done-The Dispenser, as one might say. It come from Christ by the means of the Cross and throught the Spirit(Jn.7:37-39).

The phrase,"In Christ Jesus," describes this "Law" and the way the Spirit works. Paul uses this phrase,"in Christ Jesus," or one of its derivatives, such as "inHim," etc. over one hundred times in his fourteen Epistles. Without exception, it refers to what Christ did at the Cross, all on our behalf. Paul never uses it in any toher fashion. It always refers to the Cross.

For us to be the beneficiary of all that Christ did, through which the Holy Spirit works, all that is demanded of us is that our Faith constantly rest in that Finished Work. This is imperstive. When this is done, all that Jesus did will be ours, guaranteed by the Holy Spirit.

"The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus," which we hopefully have explained, is the only "Law" which can give one victory over "the law of sin and death." No matter the effort made, if we try to obtain that victory by any other manner, defeat is sure.

If the Believer faithfully follows this which the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostle Paul, which Paul then gave to us, victory then is guaranteed and "the sin nature will not have dominion over us" (Rom.6:14). But if works of the flesh are prevalent in the Believer's life, that means that he or she is not functioning in "the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus," but rather i some law made up by themselves or other men.

In the Lord's Way is "Life"! In the Lord's Way alone is "Life"!

Love In Jesus CAN YOU SEE IT


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Wed 11/18/09 04:05 AM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Wed 11/18/09 04:13 AM
alot of words to get around the fact that Paul kept the Law. All the disciples did.

Peter kept Lev 11.

All the commandments were kept.

All the feast days were kept.

Also if it was 60 miles to Jerusalem it was not Pentecost.

Paul was arrested for what he did in Acts 21 and he pleaded that he was a Roman citizen and this is what got him to Rome to continue his ministry.

When he was out at sea he realized he had missed Pentecost and was very upset about it.

Pauls writings it is said were hard to understand or words. This is why he spoke that he would rather speak plainly than in an unknown tongue.

He was so intelligent and spirit filled he went to deep for the people to understand many times.

The mysteries he understood but it was hard for him to put it in simpler words.

Paul did not speak in acts 21 for thier was no need he agreed perfectly.

Dancing around Acts 21 is all you have done. It is like acts 10 people say see Peter did not eat clean food when it had nothing to do with food but men acts 10 and 11 both say this.Quit trying to twist the scriptures to your traditions.


Yahweh is the same Today yesterday and tommorrow. We see in Zech 14 the Feast of Tabernacles being done. Yahweh has not taken a time period and through out the law of Yahweh for a couple of thousand years and then brings it back.

I am Yahweh I do change not. Yahshua said he brought nothing new. Why can't we accept this?

Why do we insisted on practising Pagan Customs and call them Holy?

Do you really think Yahweh is pleased with mans doings changing his words as the end of the book speaks of?


Traditition Tradititon traditition is what we have today the same as when Yahshua was here and he slammed them for it.

Thier laws the leaders who had added to the law was the Law that was against us. Not Yahweh's law.


Yahshua's death he took the curse of the law on himself which was/is the sins of the world and we were granted a pardon of Grace.

Once you are pardoned if you go back into sinning then Hebrews 11 comes into effect that thier is no more sacrafice for sin.

Believe the word not traditition because then you become a pharasees that Yahshua had no part of and this is the path of religion.

He will have no part of it.

No field of study do you learn the basics then when you go onto a higher degree of study do you then say my basics now are of no use.

No the basics is your foundation and that foundation is the cornerstone Yahshua our Messiah who was the I Am plain and simple.

Follow Yahweh not the world...Blessings of Shalom.....Miles




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Wed 11/18/09 11:45 AM
Edited by flintman1955 on Wed 11/18/09 12:00 PM
Paul named Peter publicly. Peter was guilty of unscriptural practice. "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed ... But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of the Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" (Gal. 2:11-14). The whole issue revolved around salvation by the law or by grace. When the integrity and purity of the gospel is at stake, then we have no choice when it comes to the matter of exposing error and naming names.

Galatians 2:
1: Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2: And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles(the message of The Cross), but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3: But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4: And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus(the Truth of the Gospel was at stake), that they might bring us into bondage:
5: To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour(Paul would not yield one iota, nor compromise in the slightest); that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.(Justification by Faith was on trial)
6: But of these(false brethren) who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:(there was nothing anyone there could add to the Revelation given to him by the Lord, as it regards the Cross)
7: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision(the Gentiles) was committed unto me(presents the Jerusalem Apostles championing the cause of Paul after they heard the issue discussed in private conference), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;(the Jews)
8: (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9: And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10: Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11: But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face(means Paul openly opposed and reproved him, even though Peter was the eldest), because he was to be blamed.(for abandoning the Cross and resorting to Law)
12: For before that certain came from James(gives us all too well another example as to why Apostles, or anyone else for that matter, are not to be the final word, but rather the Word of God itself), he(Peter) did eat with the Gentiles(Peter knew the Gospel of Grace): but when they were come,(those from James in Jerusalem) he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.(The problem was :man fear.” Some of the Jewish Christians were still trying to hold to the Law of Moses, which means they acceptedd Jesus as the Messiah, but gave no credence to the Cross whatsoever. This ultimately occasioned the necessity of Paul writing the Epistle to the Hebrew.)
13: And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him(with Peter); insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.(hypocrisy)
14: But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel,(they were forsaking the Cross) I said unto Peter before them all(Paul's rebuke was in the presence of everybody, the whole Antioch Church), If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?(Hypocrisy!)
15: We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17: But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18: For if I build again the things which I destroyed(revert back to the Law), I make myself a transgressor.(To revert to any type of Law is a departure from God's prescribed Order of Bictory(The Cross),and is sin)
19: For I through the law(Christ has perfectly kept the Law and suffered its just penalty, all on my behalf) am dead to the law(the Law is not dead, but I am dead to the Law by virtue of having died with Christ(Rom.6:3-5)), that I might live unto God.(This presents that which can only be doen through Christ, and never by the Law)
20: I am crucified with Christ(as the Foundation of all Victory; Paul. Here, takes us back to Romans 6:3-5): nevertheless I live;(have new life) yet not I(not by my own strength and ability), but Christ liveth in me(by virtue of me dying with Him on the Cross, and being raised with Him in newness of life): and the life which I now live in the flesh (my daily walk before God)I live by the faith of the Son of God(the Cross is ever the object of my Faith), who loved me, and gave himself for me.(which is the only way that I could be saved)
21: I do not frustrate the grace of God (if we make anything other than the Cross of Christ the object of our Faith, we frustrate the Grace of God, which means we stop its action, and the Holy Spirit will no longer help us): for if righteousness come by the law(any type of Law), then Christ is dead in vain.(If I can successfully live for the Lord by any means other than Faith in Christ and the Cross, then the Death of Christ was a waste)

1Timothy 1:

1: Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope(Christ Alone and what He did at the Cross is “our hope”);
2: Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord(all made possible by the Cross).

3: As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus(Paul desired that Timothy remain at Ephesus for a period of time because of false teachers attempting to spread false doctrine among the people), when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other Doctrine(the Doctrine must be “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified”),
4: Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies(Jewish fables and Jewish genealogies; so, the false teachers were Judaizers who insisted that Law must be added to Grace, and who placed no stock in the Cross at all; in a sense), which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in Faith(this speaks of the the fact that Faith, not Law is the sphere or element in which our Salvation functions; such Faith always has the Cross as its object, and thereby edifies): so do.

5: Now the end of the commandment(charge) is charity out of a pure heart(which alone can produce love), and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned(pretended faith):

6: From which some having swerved(left the Cross) have turned aside unto vain jangling(useless talk);

7: Desiring to be teachers of the law(refers to the Law of Moses and speaks of the Judaizers); understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm(they only had surface knowledge).

8: But we know that the law is good(showing that he was not an enemy of the Law), if a man use it lawfully(understanding that the Law of Moses pointed strictly to Christ; when He came, He fulfilled it in totality);

9: Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers(true Believers do not fall into these categories),
10: For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind(homosexuality), for menstealers(slave traders), for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine(actually refers to all that is contrary to the Word of God);

11: According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God(pertains to His Blessed Gift of Forgiveness offered to all sinners who accept His Gospel of Love), which was committed to my trust(The Lord chose Paul as the recipient and bearer of the New Covenant).

12: And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry(the Lord knew Paul would be Faithful and the Gospel would not be comprimised);
13: Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious(before he was saved): but I obtained Mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14: And the Grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant(proclaims that which God stands ready to give to any honest, and earnest seeker) with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15: This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation(the Gospel of Christ dying to save sinners is worthy of being accepted by the whole world), that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners(which He did through the Cross); of whom I am chief(Paul felt he was the number one sinner of all time before his Salvation).

16: Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on Him(on Christ and what He did at the Cross) to life everlasting.
17: Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
18: This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy(refers to a command or injunction), according to the prophecies which went before on thee(probably refers to the time frame of Acts 16:1-3), that thou by them mightest war a good warfare(we aren't told exactly what the Prophecies were, but that they spoke of an assignment to leadership in the Army of King Jesus);

19: Holding faith(maintaining Faith in Christ and the Cross), and a good conscience(speaks of following the Word exactly as it is given); which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck(a metaphor used by Paul, pointing to those who had abandoned the Cross):

20: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander(presents two examples of one not “holding the Faith”); whom I have delivered unto Satan(1Cor.5:5), that they may learn not to blaspheme(This tells us that all who depart from “the Faith,” which is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified, can only be concluded as “blaspheming.”)

Isaiah 53:5: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Matt.1:21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Matt.26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1Peter 2:24: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Eph.1:7: In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Thank You Jesus


We are to REJECT HERETICS. "A man that is an heretick after the first and second
admonition reject " (Titus 3: 10). We should reject those who deny redemption by the
blood of Christ. There are many who deny this or some other doctrine of the Word of
God. If they will not respond to being admonished, then they are to be rejected.

We are to look out for those who preach another gospel. Paul warned about those who
preached "another Jesus ... another spirit ... or another gospel" (II Cor. 11:4). How can we know them unless we judge their Jesus, their spirit, and their gospel by the Word of God?
Paul called such preachers "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ" (11 Cor. II: 13). He explains in v. 14-15 that these preachers are the ministers of Satan. The God-called man must be just as faithful today in exposing the ministers of Satan.

Paul warned the Galatians about those who "pervert the gospel of Christ." He also said, "If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (See Gal. 1:6-9). Multitudes today are preaching a perverted gospel!


We are to SEPARATE from them. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye
separate, saith the Lord, and touch no the unclean thing; and I will receive you " (II Cor. 6:17). This makes it plain. God's people are to come out of apostasy and religious error.

Sir, this is a Christian Forum. Apparently you believe in something other than Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross for our Salvation. That is your privilege,,but please stop posting to tear down and destroy the Christian Faith with your false accusations. This is a Christian Forum.
Love In Jesus


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Wed 11/18/09 05:43 PM
The Perversion is when we refuse Yahshua as our example.

we are given grace through hi a pardon but when pardoned we don't go back and do the same thing again.

Pentecost they were keeping which is part of the law yet the other feast we prefer pagan ritual. Is this not true?

Still nothing about Paul sacraficing and the disciples even said Paul was upright and up holds the law of Yahweh.

The law that was nailed and was against us is the law of man. The extras added to the word not Yahweh's law.

We are told by john it is how we know what sin is.

We reject the law as Satan/Helel rejects the law and has decieved the whole world.


You are dancing around what paul did in Acts 21 it is clear it was the law of the ending of a Nazorite vow in Num 6.


Yahweh can not say he changes not then say the law is done away but then is brought back in force in the millineum.


We are not justified by the law but we do not throw it out either the Aposled didn't.


After Yahshua was put in the tomb we read of them keeping the feast of unleavened bread.


Yahshua had to wave the wave shief as our High Priest in the Holy of Holies as prescribed by the law and he did. He had to be pure to do this.. They could not touch him before he rose and did the Waving of the wave shief.


All the Law and sacrafices are prophecie more than any where else in the scriptures.

Yahshua amplified the law not fullfilled in that it is not to be kept.


The Masters Prayer what do you think it really is? Just something we say or try to baase prayers on?

It is Isa 58


Way more than you can ever know rejecting the law.

The same thing is happening today that was going on when Yahshua came. Adding to the scriptures.. Rev warns about that.


Do you believe Isa 66 is going to happen?

A final thought since you can not explain why Paul sacraficed in Acts 21 is.

What does JC mean? Have you ever studied its meaning?


or what does j-hovah mean. You might be quite suprised if you will seriously look at it.

You have tons of knowledge but what does Yahweh do to confide the wise? Blessings of Knowledge and May Yahweh have us Rightfully Divide his word...Shalom....Miles