Good News!

original post I was quoting got reemoved while I was rebutting it, so I am removing my response as I quoted it.

Sorry folks but if you want to delete my posts because you can't seem to accept the fact that the shooter is Muslim then you might as well just lock this topic as you don't seem to be interested in facts just what you want to belive.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=7102805&rss=rss-ktrk-article-7102805

ABC News has learned from Hasan's cousin, who describes their relationship as very close, that Hasan has always been Muslim, not a convert as some have speculated. He joined the Army before the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. Both of Hasan's parents are deceased. He has two brothers, one in the US and one in Jerusalem. The cousin also describes Hasan as a very pious person.

one very simple reason: The Major stood at attention, raised his right hand and swore to do his duty in the Army, voluntarily. By volunteering, he gave up his legal right to protest political beliefs. His personal belief on whether the war was legal or not doesnt matter.

Glad to hear all is well for your family...

Always nice to hear good news when something like this happens..

It sure is

It is irrelevant what nationality the shooter was what is is why did he do it?

The point of it is he was Military and had made his rank up the ladder.

Something had to make him break..... it has been told due to he was fixing to be deployed to Iraq. At this time there is no talk that it had anything to do with his Religious beliefs therefore it is irrelevant of what nationality he was.

some guy on cnn just tryed to compare this to work place viloince

And I highly doubt the post was deleted due to it being suggested that it was due to religious beliefs. You were very discriminatory and offensive at the end of that post, both of which is not allowed int he forums.

you sound like that is an inconceivable notion. The truth is, it is very much comparable to work place violence. Yes the soldier deals with more stress than the average person in the civilian work force, in regards to personal safety and such. However, stress effects all people differently, and what can be considered highly stressful to w factory worker, would not automatically be stresssful to you or me.

IF this is a case of stress nad combat fatigue, or post traumatic stress, then it dosnt matter what CAUSED the trauma in the end; what matters is teaching the person how to cope with it and to nt let loose in violence.

I'm so happy your nephew is safe

First off it is totally relevant what his religious beliefs are since this whole frickin war is based on the religion of Islam and it's followers including those living here in the United states.

Second he was a Muslim and according to reports he was diciplined for preaching radical Muslim and was against the war.

Third if anyone has served in the military they know it has more than it's fair share of mentally disturbed people who are often dangerous to not only the command but the public in general.It was a fairly common occurence to have people kicked off my command and thrown into psyc wards for threatning to harm or kill people.It seems stupid to me that if someone is raising red flags to ignor it.

Forth So what if they joined the military and raised their hand?Does that mean they automatically get a green light to be excused for their actions?Do you know how many thousands of people every month are kicked out of the military for all sorts of dumb reasons?This guy wasn't a hero,was against what the Army was doing,and never saw a single day of combat.He was nothing more than metally unstable soldier threatning mutiny,who was not supporting the mission and trying to convince other soldiers to join his cause which is the same as the enemy we are fighting.

You want to honor this dead soldier by saluting and thanking him for his service go ahead.I will join the 99% of the others serving and say that this guy should have been kicked out a long time ago for his actions.Much like much criminals in America who go on a killing spree.This man gave plenty of warning signs beforehand he was a loose cannon.

MANY THANKS. Thank you TxsGal, I'm also happy for your family friend who is safe. Thank you, Daniel your words and pic make me smile. Thank you Lilbug, your love and concern along with others is why I really like coming onto this sight. But my greatest thanks goes to you, Eric. My oldest son was nine years in the service. Out of the service now, he is and always will be my greatest hero. Eric I'm proud of you. You will be a good soldier. Please keep in touch. We love you, Cathy p.s. when your allowed to write, your mama first.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115137

Fight the 'aggressors'

Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan at Fort Hood, told Fox News he heard the gunman say at a conference that Muslims should stand up and "fight against the aggressors."

Lee said that at first, he and his colleagues thought Hasan meant that Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan should join forces with the U.S.

But, based on other comments Hasan made, it became clear he was encouraging Muslims to resist U.S. forces, Lee said.

Hasan told colleagues the U.S. should not be in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Lee, and he expressed happiness about the shooting of two soldiers by a Muslim convert outside an Arkansas recruiting center in June.

Nader Hasan said his family was "shocked" by the news and trying to make sense of it.

The only motive they could imagine was that he was upset about being deployed to Iraq.

Nader Hassan said his cousin had no violent tendencies and didn't even enjoy going to the firing range.

"The guy was born and raised here, he's my cousin, a good American," he said.

Thomas I will back track my comment for it does seem it does matter at this time what his beliefs were. Since it may have to do with his beliefs that caused him to react the way he did. He should have never been let in the Military if it was that well known of the way he did believe.

To bad the Military did not see this in time for this bloodbath not to happen. I do feel that the death penalty would be too good for him since he is within Texas who knows what will happen since he is Military as well....

So thanks for posting the facts...........

For you to believe the war is based off of religion, suggests that yuo need some major time with a tutor, because the last I knew the war was about nothing except terrorism.



So what if he was a Muslim? He was also an American citizen, and American citizens have the right to practice whatever religion they choose to practice, without being told they are worng, or being disciplined for it.



You are talking to a veteran, and as I have stated previously, he could not legally be written up or disciplined for preaching Islamic views. The only way he could have been written up for it is f he had been preaching the downfall of Americas army, president, country, etc. And I promise you that if that had been the case, he would also have been tried for treason, and no way in hell would he havemade it to the rank of Major.



In regards the beginning of this statement. I never stated that by raising his hand he gets a green light to do whatever he wants. I stated the exact opposite. By raising his hand and swearing an oath, he gave up his rights to act out due to a disagreement with political beliefs.



I never said I would honor his last actions. However I DO strongly believe in soldiers needing mental health decomp after EVERY mission no matter what. This is one more sad example of why. And before you claim he had never dep[loyed before, that's exteremely unlikely as he had the rank of Major, which means he had been in the army at LEAST 7 or 8 years inmost likelihood. There is no way a Major would have been able to miss out on deployment for that long of a time frame.

That's ok I was out of line for some of the things I said but I do tend to get news hot off the wire from the radio and that typically reaches the public faster than the internet.

Obama didn't seem to make this news a priority as he blubbered for a few minutes on boring politics before making a statement concerning the shooting at the base even after he heard the news.Sounds like he had his George bush moment when 9-11 happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM

FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history at a U.S. military base.

thomas, what does him being muslim..."allegedly" have to do with anything? muslims have been serving in the american military for years.
I detect a hint of racism or maybe you're brainwashed by the islamophobia that Fox news is propogating. at any rate, i proudly say
Allahu akbar

I can answer one question for you Txs: Since he was active duty military, he will be tried and sentenced under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That will take precedence over any wrongful death suits that families may decide to go for in regards to their rights.

The military does offer capital punishment, but I don't know what all circumstances it can be administered, other than obviously going awol from a deployment, or treason etc.