Topic: SHOULD KIDS BE CHARGED AS ADULTS - WHAT'S YOUR OPINION
look4you's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:25 PM



Four boys ages 9, 10, 13 and 14 lured an 8-year-old neighbor into a shed at a Phoenix apartment complex, then sexually assaulted her, police say.

The crime happened last Thursday evening, and police were called to the scene after reports of a young girl running out of the shed, half-nude and screaming. Numerous witnesses helped police identify the boy suspects.

All the children involved are refugees from the West African nation of Liberia who live in the complex near Thomas Road and 43rd Avenue. The 14-year-old, Steven Tuopeh (pictured above in police mug shot) is being charged as an adult.

They all should be tried! And I don't give a damn that they are from Africa either.


What in the world is wrong with people (yes children included) nowadays?????

regardless where these kids were from I too agree they should all be tried and treated as adults, the punishment should fit the crime :angry:

I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil

franshade's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:27 PM

[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:30 PM



What do you think?

Should kids be charged as adults and face adult punishment?

1 - Yes, let the punishment fit the crime.
2 - No, children who commit serious crimes need rehabiliation.
3 - Yes. If they know right from wrong, then they should accept the consequences.
4 - No, instead hold the parents responsible.

I think that the punishment should fit the crime #1.


Depends on the severity of the crime and number of victims involved (e.g. family members, both emotional and physical pain). Encompass more into the crime to decide the punishment, personally, I think as soon as they hit 16...charge them as an adult.


Fear, just making sure I understand your position.

2 children commit the same crime - both kill another person, one is 13 the other is 16, you say the 13 yr old should be charged as a juvi and the 16 as an adult?


No, I'm saying that 16 should be the age that they can be charged as an adult regardless of the crime. If a 13 year old murders someone, depending on the cirumstances, and number of family members...they should be charged as an adult.

A lot like a murder case works, if someone kills a hobo they don't get life (well, for the most part anyway).

daniel48706's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:33 PM
right or wrong in most cases is black and white. A nine year old child knos if it was wrong to do somethign or not.




Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty.
http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html

Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal.




How could you say that?
1st he was 9
and
2nd the police forced a confession out of him
What does he know at 9...really?

look4you's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:35 PM


[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P

daniel48706's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:40 PM
in repsonse to the original question, I thin it is 1 and 3. Let the punishment fit the crime (it should be this way no matter what) and yes charge the child if the child commits the crime.

Now a perfect example which I just found out abot the other day.

New York State law dictates, that in the case of arson, if it is found that a fire is started due to a child 7 years of age or older playing with fire, then the fire inspector is required by law to arrest that 7 year old and press charges for arson.

I do not believe the child would be kept with adults during their imprisonment, and they would be schooled and rehabilitated at the same time, but yes they are arrested and charged for their crime, because at age 7, generally speaking, a child does know it is wrong to play with fire.

franshade's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:41 PM



[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2

look4you's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:47 PM




[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2


When your little finger clicks onto the topic page you will notice a number that is representing the # of post on each thread. When I posted the 100th it was at 99. Therefore,I am #100 :)
Just look back at the # and subtract...this is why our school system stinks so much bc of ppl like YOU!
laugh

franshade's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:49 PM





[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2


When your little finger clicks onto the topic page you will notice a number that is representing the # of post on each thread. When I posted the 100th it was at 99. Therefore,I am #100 :)
Just look back at the # and subtract...this is why our school system stinks so much bc of ppl like YOU!
laugh


ok I'm going to type slower so you can understand better :laughing:

if you click on my topics you will get a different total of posts (difference of 1) you'd get from recent posts (m2 snafu) tongue2
you are the first post on page 6 - hence you are #101

do you get it now rofl


daniel48706's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:50 PM
just because there were 99 posts prior to you, doesnt mean someone else didnt post while you were typing your answer. I suggest you go back and manually count each response, only then will you know for certain without doubt that yu were the one hundredth post. drinker







[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2


When your little finger clicks onto the topic page you will notice a number that is representing the # of post on each thread. When I posted the 100th it was at 99. Therefore,I am #100 :)
Just look back at the # and subtract...this is why our school system stinks so much bc of ppl like YOU!
laugh

franshade's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:52 PM

just because there were 99 posts prior to you, doesnt mean someone else didnt post while you were typing your answer. I suggest you go back and manually count each response, only then will you know for certain without doubt that yu were the one hundredth post. drinker


get'em Daniel rofl

some people just are naturally slower than others

not saying that's a bad thing devil :wink:

look4you's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:52 PM

just because there were 99 posts prior to you, doesnt mean someone else didnt post while you were typing your answer. I suggest you go back and manually count each response, only then will you know for certain without doubt that yu were the one hundredth post. drinker







[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2


When your little finger clicks onto the topic page you will notice a number that is representing the # of post on each thread. When I posted the 100th it was at 99. Therefore,I am #100 :)
Just look back at the # and subtract...this is why our school system stinks so much bc of ppl like YOU!
laugh



I agree but thats just too much work to prove that I'm #100 ;)

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:54 PM
dorks laugh

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:56 PM
Wow, the most interesting agruement going on here is whether or not l4u has the 100th or 101st post..



tngxl65's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:58 PM


just because there were 99 posts prior to you, doesnt mean someone else didnt post while you were typing your answer. I suggest you go back and manually count each response, only then will you know for certain without doubt that yu were the one hundredth post. drinker







[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2


When your little finger clicks onto the topic page you will notice a number that is representing the # of post on each thread. When I posted the 100th it was at 99. Therefore,I am #100 :)
Just look back at the # and subtract...this is why our school system stinks so much bc of ppl like YOU!
laugh



I agree but thats just too much work to prove that I'm #100 ;)


Just to put this to bed, the 'my topics' does not count the first post as a 'reply'. However the 'recent posts' counts them all, including the original post. If you were to say you were the 100th 'reply', you'd be more correct. But you were the 101st post on the thread.

daniel48706's photo
Fri 10/16/09 02:00 PM
I agree with you on this. Now let's put it like this. Throw ohysical age out the window, dont even consider it forsake of argument. Two people go up in court for murder. One is found to be in their right state of mind and to know that murder is wrong. They get punished for murder. The other one is found to be mentally challanged and immature, thus they are not legally capable of being tried as an adult becuase they do not have the mental capabilities.

MOST kids, know if something is right or wrong. It is not a question of understanding, it is a question of whether they knew it to be wrong in the first place, not why it is wrong. So again, I agree let the punishment fit the crime, and charge the individual based o their mental capabilities.


Yes and No doesn't really fit the question. It all depends on the child, I think the punishment should be dictated by the child's mentality and the reason behind the crime.

I watched an episode of Law & Order: SVU that had a similar question. Two teens killed a person and one of them was charged as an adult, and one was charged as a minor due to his mental capability.

So while the punishment should fit the crime, the child's mental capability should also be taken into account.

look4you's photo
Fri 10/16/09 02:00 PM



just because there were 99 posts prior to you, doesnt mean someone else didnt post while you were typing your answer. I suggest you go back and manually count each response, only then will you know for certain without doubt that yu were the one hundredth post. drinker







[I'm done with explaining how wrong that you are. I just wanted to be the 100th response on this thread ;)
LOL...devil


sorry but you are wrong, you're not the 100th you are the 101st biggrin to post on this thread


Who taught you how to count?
I'm #100
:P


here's a quick math class smarty pants
20 posts per page
5 complete pages of posts = 20 x 5 = 100 posts
your post is #1 on page 6
duh = 101 tongue2


When your little finger clicks onto the topic page you will notice a number that is representing the # of post on each thread. When I posted the 100th it was at 99. Therefore,I am #100 :)
Just look back at the # and subtract...this is why our school system stinks so much bc of ppl like YOU!
laugh



I agree but thats just too much work to prove that I'm #100 ;)


Just to put this to bed, the 'my topics' does not count the first post as a 'reply'. However the 'recent posts' counts them all, including the original post. If you were to say you were the 100th 'reply', you'd be more correct. But you were the 101st post on the thread.


I can see that. So, I agree 100(no pun intented)%
lol ;)

daniel48706's photo
Fri 10/16/09 02:14 PM
Ok, this is a good post to use for my question (not singling you out lol but it provides the perfect setting to ask).

A nine year old boy chooses to plan to use a firearm on his father and rommate because he is upset with them (reason doesn't matter). This little boy has just shown that he is capable of CHOOSING to do something he knows will seriously hurt another person, and for the sake of argument I am not gonna discuss whether he understood death or not.

He CHOSE to SHOOT his father and room mate knowing they would be hurt badly, becasue he was upset with them; or maybe because he thought it would allow him to live with his mother instead.

THIS is a very dangerous person (yes person; you do not become a person at a certain age), and I for one would not want him to be free and loose to CHOOSE to do this again the next time he is upset. Especially considering that by not punishing him for the crime, you are teaching him that it is really ok for him to do so.

Let's say he is let free to live as a normal child. goes through school and is bullied or just plain ignored. He has already shown he is capable of violence. He now chooses to act out his frustrations by shooting everybody at school.

The boy has to be charged and punished, as well as taught if neccesary, that this behavior is unnaceptable.







Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty.
http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html

Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal.




How could you say that?
1st he was 9
and
2nd the police forced a confession out of him
What does he know at 9...really?


He was 8 and he premeditated the death of his father.

As to police forcing a confession out of him that is not mentioned on article I found, his own mother was against the plea deal.

At 9 yrs of age, one knows if one takes a gun and aims at another person and pulls trigger, that the little bullet inside the gun has the potential to take the others life.

Kids are not as innocent nor ignorant as one would like to believe they are. They may not know as much as adults, but just how much does a person need to know to make them responsible for their actions?






Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different...

daniel48706's photo
Fri 10/16/09 02:34 PM
Persoanllly I prefer it when she is slow and gentle oops offtopic



just because there were 99 posts prior to you, doesnt mean someone else didnt post while you were typing your answer. I suggest you go back and manually count each response, only then will you know for certain without doubt that yu were the one hundredth post. drinker


get'em Daniel rofl

some people just are naturally slower than others

not saying that's a bad thing devil :wink:

franshade's photo
Fri 10/16/09 04:36 PM
Daniel had to go and kill the thread tongue2