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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani And that was the end of my evening . Good night |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 09/29/09 10:21 PM
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani I would respectfully disagree and add that although ones perceptions are reflections of their beliefs and views, their LIFE is much more complex. For example,, An HIV patient may believe that they are cured and no longer ill, this belief may even cause them to feel better, but it wont change the TRUTH that they are still ill.( this is an example of how belief alone doesnt determine the truth but I am aware that an many situations belief,faith, or the power of the mind have indeed helped to cure ill people.) I dont feel slapped in the face, I just feel that we all will believe what we believe even if some believe that belief is insignificant if its called religion or faith. |
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I disagree as my beliefs have changed over the years based on my experiences and the fact that I am open to learning new things. I seek the truth....wherever that may lead.
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani nope. our life is a reflection of our behavior while we are alive. has not a thing to do with our beliefs or thoughts. and points of view are nothing but how we see things from where we stand and everybody stands in a different place. a catholic preist has beliefs and thoughts that cathoics deem admirable. and yet catholic preists have been known to behave in enexcusable fashion. |
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Edited by
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I disagree as my beliefs have changed over the years based on my experiences and the fact that I am open to learning new things. I seek the truth....wherever that may lead. this is what i don't get about "belief" and perhaps you can explain it. if your beliefs have changed over the years based on your experiences and the fact that you are open to learning new things, then what does that say about those beliefs you had before? does it not say that your beliefs were weak? surely a very strong belief wouldn't change would it? and if you experienced something or several things that changed how you believe then does that not tell you that you entered the previous belief without knowing many things that had you known you never would have believed in the first place? and if all of this is true and beliefs that you may have held strong in the past have been debunked, does that not make you hesitate before having faith in future beliefs? i don't mean to sound confusing but as an agnostic i believe nothing. belief requires faith and i've no faith in anything. i question everything and at most will accept an explanation as highly plausible but never absolutely true or proven other than something i've expereinced myself. if newton's law of gravity can be dubunked by einstein after three hundred years as the gold standard in science then what if anything can be known absolutely? and now stephen hawkings thinks einstein has it wrong. but einstein an agnostic himself, would say he didn't really know absolutely either and predicticted that theoretical physicists with better tools and more knowledge would add or subtract from his theories. |
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani nope. our life is a reflection of our behavior while we are alive. has not a thing to do with our beliefs or thoughts. and points of view are nothing but how we see things from where we stand and everybody stands in a different place. a catholic preist has beliefs and thoughts that cathoics deem admirable. and yet catholic preists have been known to behave in enexcusable fashion. Do you not believe that thoughts are energy..that they send out a vibration? |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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Wed 09/30/09 04:07 PM
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani nope. our life is a reflection of our behavior while we are alive. has not a thing to do with our beliefs or thoughts. and points of view are nothing but how we see things from where we stand and everybody stands in a different place. a catholic preist has beliefs and thoughts that cathoics deem admirable. and yet catholic preists have been known to behave in enexcusable fashion. Do you not believe that thoughts are energy..that they send out a vibration? i believe nothing. having extremely little training in the workings of the brain i would not venture a guess. what little i do understand is that neurons in the brain produce electrical impulses which is energy. how that energy produces a thought you'd have to ask somebody smarter than me on the subject. but i've neither seen nor heard of any evidence or results of experiments that concluded that the brain emits vibration. may happen i suppose, again, waaaaaaay out of my league. |
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani nope. our life is a reflection of our behavior while we are alive. has not a thing to do with our beliefs or thoughts. and points of view are nothing but how we see things from where we stand and everybody stands in a different place. a catholic preist has beliefs and thoughts that cathoics deem admirable. and yet catholic preists have been known to behave in enexcusable fashion. Do you not believe that thoughts are energy..that they send out a vibration? i believe nothing. having extremely little training in the workings of the brain i would not venture a guess. what little i do understand is that neurons in the brain produce electrical impulses which is energy. how that energy produces a thought you'd have to ask somebody smarter than me on the subject. but i've seen nor heard that the brain emits vibration. may happen i suppose, again, waaaaaaay out of my league. There's a movie called..What The Bleep Do We Know...Down The Rabbit Hole. They show how brain waves are measured, how much frequency they produce. Not an expert either..just find it interesting, fascinating. |
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani nope. our life is a reflection of our behavior while we are alive. has not a thing to do with our beliefs or thoughts. and points of view are nothing but how we see things from where we stand and everybody stands in a different place. a catholic preist has beliefs and thoughts that cathoics deem admirable. and yet catholic preists have been known to behave in enexcusable fashion. Do you not believe that thoughts are energy..that they send out a vibration? i believe nothing. having extremely little training in the workings of the brain i would not venture a guess. what little i do understand is that neurons in the brain produce electrical impulses which is energy. how that energy produces a thought you'd have to ask somebody smarter than me on the subject. but i've seen nor heard that the brain emits vibration. may happen i suppose, again, waaaaaaay out of my league. There's a movie called..What The Bleep Do We Know...Down The Rabbit Hole. They show how brain waves are measured, how much frequency they produce. Not an expert either..just find it interesting, fascinating. what's this? two people on the forums agreeing that neither knows what their talking about???? will wonders ever cease???? |
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani nope. our life is a reflection of our behavior while we are alive. has not a thing to do with our beliefs or thoughts. and points of view are nothing but how we see things from where we stand and everybody stands in a different place. a catholic preist has beliefs and thoughts that cathoics deem admirable. and yet catholic preists have been known to behave in enexcusable fashion. Do you not believe that thoughts are energy..that they send out a vibration? i believe nothing. having extremely little training in the workings of the brain i would not venture a guess. what little i do understand is that neurons in the brain produce electrical impulses which is energy. how that energy produces a thought you'd have to ask somebody smarter than me on the subject. but i've seen nor heard that the brain emits vibration. may happen i suppose, again, waaaaaaay out of my league. There's a movie called..What The Bleep Do We Know...Down The Rabbit Hole. They show how brain waves are measured, how much frequency they produce. Not an expert either..just find it interesting, fascinating. what's this? two people on the forums agreeing that neither knows what their talking about???? will wonders ever cease???? Yeah, it's a miracle..yet, miracles happen all the time. |
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hahaha. you had to say that didn't you? hahahaha
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hahaha. you had to say that didn't you? hahahaha yep..it's true, I had to. Miracles are natural, we just don't recognize them, we usually need a brick on our head to get our attention. When miracles are not happening, something has gone terribly wrong. Just my humble opinion.. |
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It is interesting that people either find the idea empowering or maddening...
Either you have more control that you realize or you can't hold on to that victim robe that got so comfy. We have conscious thoughts - and we have unconscious ones ... they all send out a vibration. The unconscious ones hold more power though because they show up as results we don't always want and that we 'think' come out of the blue. Ain't life grande? |
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I disagree as my beliefs have changed over the years based on my experiences and the fact that I am open to learning new things. I seek the truth....wherever that may lead. this is what i don't get about "belief" and perhaps you can explain it. if your beliefs have changed over the years based on your experiences and the fact that you are open to learning new things, then what does that say about those beliefs you had before? does it not say that your beliefs were weak? surely a very strong belief wouldn't change would it? and if you experienced something or several things that changed how you believe then does that not tell you that you entered the previous belief without knowing many things that had you known you never would have believed in the first place? and if all of this is true and beliefs that you may have held strong in the past have been debunked, does that not make you hesitate before having faith in future beliefs? i don't mean to sound confusing but as an agnostic i believe nothing. belief requires faith and i've no faith in anything. i question everything and at most will accept an explanation as highly plausible but never absolutely true or proven other than something i've expereinced myself. if newton's law of gravity can be dubunked by einstein after three hundred years as the gold standard in science then what if anything can be known absolutely? and now stephen hawkings thinks einstein has it wrong. but einstein an agnostic himself, would say he didn't really know absolutely either and predicticted that theoretical physicists with better tools and more knowledge would add or subtract from his theories. Yes, they were weak. They were the beliefs I was taught as a child and grew up with. When I began to experience life and make decisions about my belief system based on those experiences, they changed. The beliefs I have now are based on what I know now to be true for me. Are they wrong? I am certainly open to the fact that I do not know everything and am always open to learning a different way. If that different way rings true to me and makes sense, then I would be open to changing my beliefs. |
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still appear to be mighty weak beliefs to me if they're open to change. this is precisely why i believe nothing. because i realize that i'll learn things tomorrow that i don't know today settling on a belief today would be premature. and since tomorrow i will not have learned things that i'll learn the next day accepting a belief tomorrow will be out of the question as well. as tomorrow never arrives, i'll never be able to arrive on one belief.
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Thu 10/01/09 07:42 AM
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I will share A little secret - and the only reason it's a secret is because no one wants to hear - is that your life is (absolutely and totally) a reflection of your own (beliefs and thoughts)and point of view. ok, first you say (and I doubt this is original thought but I'll go with it at the moment)... you shape your own destiny... Your (beliefs) come first,and life is shaped accordingly. No matter what you believe, the universe will provide you with situations and evidence consistent with your belief.
now you say, the universe provides your experience for you (this is a direct contradiction to the above statement that your life is 'absolutely and totally a reflection of your own beliefs".. You are really the sole auther of your personal experience. This is self evident, just look! There is nothing to prove in this statement, of course not, it's back to the original thought, which is in direct contradiction to the second... you are the evidence, just look! This tends to be a slap in the face to religion, because of its truth.Eckani uhm, just because you say it does not make it the truth. Go back and read the book again, perhaps make direct quotes... I am sure the book you got this from did a better job at trying to explain it than you have... OY VEY!! |
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still appear to be mighty weak beliefs to me if they're open to change. this is precisely why i believe nothing. because i realize that i'll learn things tomorrow that i don't know today settling on a belief today would be premature. and since tomorrow i will not have learned things that i'll learn the next day accepting a belief tomorrow will be out of the question as well. as tomorrow never arrives, i'll never be able to arrive on one belief. I am glad you have found what works for you. |
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that it does. but my questions involved why what works for you, works for you. i don't have to understand, just thought it an interesting topic that you brought up.
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