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We tribalize the same way dogs form packs. Its instinctual. Its the same reason the gators hate the seminoles or green bay hates the vikings. Black racism is not a result of white discrimination and white racism has nothing to do with the mass rape and killing of whites by blacks. Youll have about as much success stopping racism as stopping people from having sex or taking a leak in the morning. Brewer, though you are not over-simplifying the race issue as much as some others are, I feel you are still doing so in this post, maybe even trivializing it. But lets look at one example you gave, because I think it illustrates a good point - 'green bay hates the vikings'. This did not arise spontaneously, this is a massive self-perpetuating cultural phenomena. It may prey on some 'basic drives', but all that is 'the cultural phenemena of team loyalty' did not spring from our genome intact - it has been nursed and groomed by a variety of forces. The same is true for many aspect of racism. Instead of saying "stopping people from having sex or taking a leak in the morning", I think it would be more meaningful to say "stop people from raping, or urinating their beds in the morning". We have a degree of choice in our actions - we have created a culture with far lower incidences of rape than many previous cultures. We can similarly reduce racism, but not if we blindly accept it as inevitable. I have not been to every country but Ive been to quite a few. Ive lived in LA, Chicago, Florida, and been to most other states. Everywhere I have ever been there is a natural tendency to group with your own race and pursue a common interest. I am not trivializing it. I simply accept it. I am not trivializing death but I recognize the folly of trying to eliminate death. The only way to eliminate racism is genocide and thats kind of a double negative. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Some of it is policy related and sadly, the president being black has woken the racists in this country. Now it is hard to determine how many of the "protests" to the president are race related or actually policy related. Dragon, the President is just as much white as he is black. People here of the most part do not recognize his white half at all. Even folks that are not racist, who believe in seperation of the race.. to them he is black, period. It's our sad "one drop rule". Back in the 60's and 70's, my experiance was, true pedigree blacks hated and segregated any that had mixed blood. Mullatos found themselves in a no-mans land. Not accepted by either sides. I was mostly raised in Southern Ms. and lived three blocks ouside the quarters. Back then they called them the N------ Quarters even in front of the blacks. It was resented but, accepted as normal. I oppose Hussein for the same reason the other 55% opposes him. Thats a great point, I see that even today, I work in alot of urban areas. In the military there were all black tables but no all white tables. The only ones that would make you unwelcome were the black tables. There are quite a few black folks who do not trust white folks. I know I wouldn't having put up with the racism I have seen myself perpetrated against them even today. Trust is built over time, it does not come easily. I wouldnt begrudge any black who lived in the south under jim crow for having a bit of a chip on the sjhoulder, but since then they have been given every advantage and the institutional racism is now a white only affair. I was denied an officers program when in the military due to racial quotas. I had the high score, but the highest latino score got it. So are you going to now stick up for me if I hate on black people? Thats an argument only made by limp wristed intellectuals. Blacks hate whites for the same reason whites hate blacks. We tribalize the same way dogs form packs. Its instinctual. Its the same reason the gators hate the seminoles or green bay hates the vikings. Black racism is not a result of white discrimination and white racism has nothing to do with the mass rape and killing of whites by blacks. Youll have about as much success stopping racism as stopping people from having sex or taking a leak in the morning. And none of it has anything to do with the opposition to obama, kerry got treated just as bad and he was a crusty old white yankee. Sadly, most of this was racist propaganda running points that are designed to belittle the black struggle in this country. Whats a running point? How did I belittle the black struggle and why is that the only struggle that matters to you? |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Misinformation, conspiracy theories, negative ideas are more common during hard times (recession,unemployment, too much free time) + add the completely decentralized and diminished republican party, which refuses to accept the defeat, due to the controversial 8 years of Bush years, and let's not forget the lack of education and intelligence of many plus the propaganda makers which really aren't out to protect or help the majority but to regain popularity and gather followers. Basically it's a power-game by the nay-sayers and they are playing a dangerous game with the public. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Misinformation, conspiracy theories, negative ideas are more common during hard times + add the completely decentralized and diminished republican party, which refuses to accept the defeat, due to the controversial 8 years of Bush years. That about sums it up. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Misinformation, conspiracy theories, negative ideas are more common during hard times + add the completely decentralized and diminished republican party, which refuses to accept the defeat, due to the controversial 8 years of Bush years. That about sums it up. lol updated while you quoted me. |
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I only speak for myself but am very involved in politics and I can say the following are common things alot of people share with me about obama. During the election we were warned he was a radical and a marxist. Of course this met with some allusion to j edgar hoover and some snickers and something about how crappy bush was. He also made alot of promises to various left wing groups. So after the election he immediately nationalized banking and huge chunks of industry, textbook communism, and that really freaked alot of people out. Then he lets speial interests write thousand page+ bills on healthcare for example and tried to ram them through. They add 300 page amendments 3 hours before the vote. Our elected representatives dont even write the bills, corporations or bankers do and the congress and obama rubberstamp them. He also wants cap and tade, which will double our electric bills and gasoline prices, we are a very mobile country and restricting our travel in this way does not go over well. Also, most americans now realize that global warming is a crock and even if it was man caused cap and trade wouldnt do anything to solve it. His programs have virtually assured the collapse of the dollar and us economy in the near future. He has indebted our great grandchildren. Thats the rap from the constitution lovers. Among the liberal/fascist/socialist crowd he has reversed his plan to let gays in the military, bring the troops home, hes waffled on gitmo, he is now cool with the patriot act and using it, He has done nothing to stop all the clandestine drug smuggling and other nefarious activities by intelligence, and he has not siezed and redistributed all the wealth from the evil rich. Basically turned his back on the marxist base once elected, and the libertarian crowd regards him as the black hitler. Thats the short answer. Who warned you that he's a radical and a Marxist? Fox news station? When I investigated him, I thought that he leaned towards the middle. Btw, there were already gays in the military. Mexico drug smuggling? He gave money for more patrols, etc. Plenty of people besides fox were warning. Your investigation skills are lacking, he was the most liberal voting senator there was. He admits to involvement in many communist student groups, and all of his mentors and associates are involved in some form of radical marxism or another. Its like if all my friends were in the klan, skinheads, aryan nations, or whatever and then I got elected while calling for diasarming the blacks...im sure youd never suspect me of racism....please, I am open minded and stuff but this is the president were talking about, we should have a higher standard than a marxist coke dealing illegal alien muslim......lol... People could say that your investigate skills are lacking as well. You took the propaganda of the far right to heart. Problem is that either side can call eachothers views propoganda, we typically just go round and round in here. Dude I hear ya, but Im not propaganda guy. (spell it right when calling people out next time as well) Ive already done a point by point comparison of the marxist ten points quoted directly from my well worn communist manifesto and each area obama supports...and most republicans support most of it as well I might add.......so while I throw around commie and liberal I do it from a solid base of knowledge, go back and read, been sitting here icing my leg all day going roundy-round in here. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Misinformation, conspiracy theories, negative ideas are more common during hard times + add the completely decentralized and diminished republican party, which refuses to accept the defeat, due to the controversial 8 years of Bush years. That about sums it up. lol updated while you quoted me. I've had that happen to me before.  
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is.
Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Misinformation, conspiracy theories, negative ideas are more common during hard times + add the completely decentralized and diminished republican party, which refuses to accept the defeat, due to the controversial 8 years of Bush years. That about sums it up. lol updated while you quoted me. So there couldnt possibly be any real information that is different than what the pres. says? Were only against massive energy taxes and government control of health care because the economy is down.....you are right in a sense about republicans, they have been rejected by their base finally because they could no longer contain themselves and came out of the closet as more big government knuckleheads. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Some of it is policy related and sadly, the president being black has woken the racists in this country. Now it is hard to determine how many of the "protests" to the president are race related or actually policy related. Dragon, the President is just as much white as he is black. People here of the most part do not recognize his white half at all. Even folks that are not racist, who believe in seperation of the race.. to them he is black, period. According to the census he is black. But that has nothing to do with why people are protesting. We have. We’re working day and night to stop the radical agenda of the Democrats and bring about the real reforms that will get our state and nation back on track. We believe rallying against massive new spending and new government involvement in our health care system is about the most American thing we can do. We are energized and leading the fight against new spending, a job-killing cap-and-tax bill, and dangerous health care experiments. Reince Priebus Chairman of the Republican Party of Wisconsin Sorry Tj, I just respectfully disagree with you. There are people who have a big problem with his race 'among' those that are protesting for other reasons. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. No one is saying it's ALL about race. As for agendas, we went through 8 years of the republcan agenda, I'm for letting Obama have the time to try his agenda, after all the republicans are not going to compremise and refuse to. And we already saw what they did with the power in their hands. I don't agree with everything he wants to do... but I am watching closely. I do not believe Obama's health plan is bad for america, but I will agree that the half hearted plan from Baucus Is bad. Personally I think the atmosphere is so inflamed no one is going to get anything resembling a decent plan that helps the people. AT that point it should just fail and let the people live with what the insurers will continue to do to more and more americans. I'm so over this, I almost wish WE could just vote on the final bill and be done with it one way or the other. This is a republic, not a democracy, trust me you dont want to vote on every issue, the best policy is to not have the government sticking their nose in a bunch of issues. A great quote comes to mind (falsely attributed to Ben Franklin); "Democracy is when two wolves and one lamb vote on whats for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the election." How can you think the plan is not harmful when the cost will bankrupt our country..especially when we are already going under in a few years from ssi and medicare anyways? Dont you guys get it, theres not a magical money tree out there and unless you intend them to live under an overpass your providors need to get paid. When "letting someone have time to try his agenda" involves abolishing whats left of the bill of rights and creating a debt that will crush this country in my lifetime I am supposed to just be cool with that? And what do the republicans have to do with it? Bush did the first bail out. Bush added the drug plan to medicare, hell he tripled the size of the government. Obama is continuing the same agenda. If we could have stopped it under bush, clinton, bush, reagan, carter, we would have (I wasnt alive for the other jokers). Obama retained some of the same people and is advancing the same policy goals, hes just adding more that piss off even more people. I pray every day you are right about the atmosphere being inflamed enough they cant get anything done. I wish they were more like jesse ventura, he said once his goal for his term in government was the people not realizing the government was around. First because I do not share the idea that it will bankrupt our country. And I very much do get it young man. I really hate repeating myself so I won't. You believe exactly what the far right and others believe, so be it. What do republicans have to do with it, they are controlled by their far right, and the far right is tied to the coatails of those you favor. They hope to win by deception and they just might. You are hoping for exactly what the Right would like to accomplish. Get people so angry and so rialed up, nothing gets accomplish. I hope that does not happen, and people don't allow that kind of tactic to prevent progress. We shall see.. It's not a contest for me, It's a preference, as is your's. |
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is.
Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. Uh yes I reviewed my post, ok let's try this, I voted against barack hussein obama not because he is black but because his soul is. Oh I stand corrected, I don't hate people but I hate things they do. there, better? 
Haha you got that right, life isn't fair and I never claimed it was. If it was we would be able to overhaul our whole political system because that sure isn't fair. I never said you or all don't know what the meaning of racism is. If you are one of the ones that call us conservatives a racist because we dislike the liberal's socialist president, then yes, if not, then don't worry about it.
Uh-oh, is the thought police around the corner? 
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I have not been to every country but Ive been to quite a few. Ive lived in LA, Chicago, Florida, and been to most other states. Everywhere I have ever been there is a natural tendency to group with your own race and pursue a common interest. You know when europe was divided by regional warfare, and constant violence between warring factions - many of whom could not even speak their enemies language - it was probably inconceivable to them that one governing body would politically unite the entire continent. I'm not saying its a good thing, nor progress, but at least in terms of violence, people of that time would find the modern european continent inconcievable in its (relatively) peaceful (relative) unity. I think your view here is too narrow, and you ascribe to much to 'innate' qualities of humans. It seems to me that children left to their own devices are more likely to be fasinated by differences (wow! his hair is different!) between the races then they are to band together into racially divided groups. Just because something is 'common' does not make it 'natural', nor does it make it 'innate'. You mention how you understand the feelings of black people who lived under jim crow - it sounds like you recognize that everything that we are today is influenced by who we have been in recent decades, recent centauries. I am not trivializing it. I simply accept it. I am not trivializing death but I recognize the folly of trying to eliminate death.
I'm sure you will agree that there are degrees of racism, and that its not only possible, but desirable, to eliminate certain forms/degrees/manner of expression of racism - such as, as you mention, genocide. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Misinformation, conspiracy theories, negative ideas are more common during hard times + add the completely decentralized and diminished republican party, which refuses to accept the defeat, due to the controversial 8 years of Bush years. That about sums it up. lol updated while you quoted me. So there couldnt possibly be any real information that is different than what the pres. says? Were only against massive energy taxes and government control of health care because the economy is down.....you are right in a sense about republicans, they have been rejected by their base finally because they could no longer contain themselves and came out of the closet as more big government knuckleheads. Umm...he was telling me that I he edited while I quoted him and before he finished editing. |
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is.
Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. Uh yes I reviewed my post, ok let's try this, I voted against barack hussein obama not because he is black but because his soul is. Oh I stand corrected, I don't hate people but I hate things they do. there, better?
Haha you got that right, life isn't fair and I never claimed it was. If it was we would be able to overhaul our whole political system because that sure isn't fair. I never said you or all don't know what the meaning of racism is. If you are one of the ones that call us conservatives a racist because we dislike the liberal's socialist president, then yes, if not, then don't worry about it.
Uh-oh, is the thought police around the corner?
I don't understand - "his soul is black". Btw, he's not a socialist president. |
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they have been rejected by their base finally because they could no longer contain themselves and came out of the closet as more big government knuckleheads.
I agree with you there - the GOP's renewed sales pitch "We're the party of small government!" is a sales pitch of convenience and sounds hollow to me. I'm tired of both parties, and would love for Palin-followers to splinter the GOP, and then for the democrats to splinter, and make room for third parties to rise. |
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they have been rejected by their base finally because they could no longer contain themselves and came out of the closet as more big government knuckleheads.
I agree with you there - the GOP's renewed sales pitch "We're the party of small government!" is a sales pitch of convenience and sounds hollow to me. I'm tired of both parties, and would love for Palin-followers to splinter the GOP, and then for the democrats to splinter, and make room for third parties to rise. Do you think that could happen in our lifetime? |
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is.
Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. Uh yes I reviewed my post, ok let's try this, I voted against barack hussein obama not because he is black but because his soul is. Oh I stand corrected, I don't hate people but I hate things they do. there, better?
Haha you got that right, life isn't fair and I never claimed it was. If it was we would be able to overhaul our whole political system because that sure isn't fair. I never said you or all don't know what the meaning of racism is. If you are one of the ones that call us conservatives a racist because we dislike the liberal's socialist president, then yes, if not, then don't worry about it.
Uh-oh, is the thought police around the corner?
I don't understand - "his soul is black". Btw, he's not a socialist president. That's what's great about a free Country, I can believe barack hussein obama is a socialist while you don't. The freedom for all opinions whether we like them or not. 
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is.
Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. Uh yes I reviewed my post, ok let's try this, I voted against barack hussein obama not because he is black but because his soul is. Oh I stand corrected, I don't hate people but I hate things they do. there, better?
Haha you got that right, life isn't fair and I never claimed it was. If it was we would be able to overhaul our whole political system because that sure isn't fair. I never said you or all don't know what the meaning of racism is. If you are one of the ones that call us conservatives a racist because we dislike the liberal's socialist president, then yes, if not, then don't worry about it.
Uh-oh, is the thought police around the corner?
I don't understand - "his soul is black". Btw, he's not a socialist president. Oh regarding to his soul is black, to me it is. When he calls an unborn baby a "burden", condones murdering unborn babies in some of the most horrific methods, well, I call it as I see it. Eyes are the keyhole to the soul, look deep in his eyes and one can see what he is. A capitalist isn't going to tell a Country that what Joe the plumber makes or what every hard working American makes needs to be spread out among the people. Capitalism makes a society thrive while socialism stifles what this Country is based on. |
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I only speak for myself but am very involved in politics and I can say the following are common things alot of people share with me about obama. During the election we were warned he was a radical and a marxist. Of course this met with some allusion to j edgar hoover and some snickers and something about how crappy bush was. He also made alot of promises to various left wing groups. So after the election he immediately nationalized banking and huge chunks of industry, textbook communism, and that really freaked alot of people out. Then he lets speial interests write thousand page+ bills on healthcare for example and tried to ram them through. They add 300 page amendments 3 hours before the vote. Our elected representatives dont even write the bills, corporations or bankers do and the congress and obama rubberstamp them. He also wants cap and tade, which will double our electric bills and gasoline prices, we are a very mobile country and restricting our travel in this way does not go over well. Also, most americans now realize that global warming is a crock and even if it was man caused cap and trade wouldnt do anything to solve it. His programs have virtually assured the collapse of the dollar and us economy in the near future. He has indebted our great grandchildren. Thats the rap from the constitution lovers. Among the liberal/fascist/socialist crowd he has reversed his plan to let gays in the military, bring the troops home, hes waffled on gitmo, he is now cool with the patriot act and using it, He has done nothing to stop all the clandestine drug smuggling and other nefarious activities by intelligence, and he has not siezed and redistributed all the wealth from the evil rich. Basically turned his back on the marxist base once elected, and the libertarian crowd regards him as the black hitler. Thats the short answer. Who warned you that he's a radical and a Marxist? Fox news station? When I investigated him, I thought that he leaned towards the middle. Btw, there were already gays in the military. Mexico drug smuggling? He gave money for more patrols, etc. Plenty of people besides fox were warning. Your investigation skills are lacking, he was the most liberal voting senator there was. He admits to involvement in many communist student groups, and all of his mentors and associates are involved in some form of radical marxism or another. Its like if all my friends were in the klan, skinheads, aryan nations, or whatever and then I got elected while calling for diasarming the blacks...im sure youd never suspect me of racism....please, I am open minded and stuff but this is the president were talking about, we should have a higher standard than a marxist coke dealing illegal alien muslim......lol... People could say that your investigate skills are lacking as well. You took the propaganda of the far right to heart. Problem is that either side can call eachothers views propoganda, we typically just go round and round in here. Dude I hear ya, but Im not propaganda guy. (spell it right when calling people out next time as well) Ive already done a point by point comparison of the marxist ten points quoted directly from my well worn communist manifesto and each area obama supports...and most republicans support most of it as well I might add.......so while I throw around commie and liberal I do it from a solid base of knowledge, go back and read, been sitting here icing my leg all day going roundy-round in here. I'm not a dude, dude...
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AndrewAV
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they have been rejected by their base finally because they could no longer contain themselves and came out of the closet as more big government knuckleheads.
I agree with you there - the GOP's renewed sales pitch "We're the party of small government!" is a sales pitch of convenience and sounds hollow to me. I'm tired of both parties, and would love for Palin-followers to splinter the GOP, and then for the democrats to splinter, and make room for third parties to rise. and fourth and fifth would be even better. however, if the republicans can ever get their heads out of their @$$es and can actually prove they can be the party of small government while they are in power, they will remain in power for a very long time and it will be the democrats that will need to worry. but, it is more likely that the infighting will destroy the republicans and the failure of the ambitious agenda of the president and pelosi will tear the democratic party in half and destroy the national confidence in that party. in the end, i hope neither survives. |
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