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AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Tue 09/15/09 05:34 PM
Just heard about this today. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9AL630G0.htm The Boeing plant in Charleston, SC voted 199-68 to reject their union for representation. Big victory here for the people. When will everyone else realize how detrimental unions are to the marketplace and in many cases, their own careers? The more unions that fall, the better we'll all be.

dssnap Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 1	Tue 09/15/09 05:42 PM
really? id like to hear your explination. do you have experience in a union?

artman48 Joined Sun 07/12/09 Posts: 933	Tue 09/15/09 05:50 PM
Just heard about this today. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9AL630G0.htm The Boeing plant in Charleston, SC voted 199-68 to reject their union for representation. Big victory here for the people. When will everyone else realize how detrimental unions are to the marketplace and in many cases, their own careers? The more unions that fall, the better we'll all be. I be-longed to the foundrymans union in the NW over 20 years ago. That is--up until some of the older guys went for there retirement and found there was no money!!! The union folded. and the State and Fed never investigated where the money went. Gota love them union big wigs!!! And there conections!!

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 09/15/09 05:52 PM
The cost of maintaining a Union for one. History shows, Unions price workers out of jobs and makes outsourcing look a pretty good plan to get out from under them.

TheresMyFriend Joined Sat 05/19/07 Posts: 2565	Tue 09/15/09 06:10 PM Edited by TheresMyFriend on Tue 09/15/09 06:19 PM
Just heard about this today. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9AL630G0.htm The Boeing plant in Charleston, SC voted 199-68 to reject their union for representation. Big victory here for the people. When will everyone else realize how detrimental unions are to the marketplace and in many cases, their own careers? The more unions that fall, the better we'll all be. It's my opinion only, that the unions only destroy America, by getting higher wages/benefits, that drive up the cost of the goods/service... that eventually forces the companies to fold...then what do the workers have...NOTHING! I've seen it happen too many times here in my hometown...unions come in, raise wages, product price increase to cover cost, price their selves right out of a job. It's no wonder Americans, are importing goods from other countries. Auto workers, reportedly raking in $75 hrs, for floor sweepers! Come on...what's wrong with that picture? Why can't these same people get real, and try to live on a sensible income(like most of the rest of us)? Then, if everyone had enough sense...maybe things, in turn...would start to drop prices, so we ALL could enjoy more of the fruits of our labor! I know...(putting on helmet now...)your going to attack me now, well...bring it on.... I've yet had anyone explain to me HOW unions help the country, I feel as if it is really to "help themselves", no matter the cost! This is my opinion, and you have the rights to yours as well.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/15/09 06:11 PM
Unions made the middle class.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 09/15/09 06:13 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/15/09 06:16 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 09/15/09 06:19 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/15/09 06:24 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city.

TheresMyFriend Joined Sat 05/19/07 Posts: 2565	Tue 09/15/09 06:26 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city. Sure...as long as you support them...who wouldn't?

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14519	Tue 09/15/09 06:26 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city. Hows things at AB, oh wait, is it Bevcor?????

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 09/15/09 06:30 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city. Wait just a while and you will see many more Union plant closures and more of your cities middle class looking for you to provide them section 8 housing, and health care. Get real Liberal. Open you purse and support one or two down and out families in your city.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/15/09 07:31 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city. Hows things at AB, oh wait, is it Bevcor????? It's called Anheuser-Busch InBev now. Nobody calls it that though. lol It's still based in St. Louis and still has 48% of U.S. beer sales. It employees about 6,000 people. Twenty days after InBev took control, about 1,000 people lost their jobs there.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/15/09 07:33 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city. Sure...as long as you support them...who wouldn't? I know many people in them. I have neighbors that are in unions. My grandfather was a union OTR truck-driver most of his life.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/15/09 07:37 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 09/15/09 07:40 PM
That would be the same middle class that is finding itself homeless and in the streets. That is the same middle class that my grandfather and father were in. We are talking current events. When Unions first started, they were made up of everyday folks who weanted fair treatment. Now, they are as obsene and perverse as porn stars. Unions made the middle class. Unions are good to people in my city. Wait just a while and you will see many more Union plant closures and more of your cities middle class looking for you to provide them section 8 housing, and health care. Get real Liberal. Open you purse and support one or two down and out families in your city. Get real, Liberal? I'm very real, thank you. I do open my purse and I give my time. My child does the same. I've volunteered at food pantries and more. I've done one person food drives and more. You don't know me and what I do. There are other unions - electrical, plumbing, heavy equipment operators, brick layers, grocery store employees, AT&T, etc.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 09/15/09 07:38 PM
the unions at Bell Helicopter are as crooked as can be!!! I know from union members being screwed around

1956deluxe Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 8559	Tue 09/15/09 07:46 PM
The cost of maintaining a Union for one. History shows, Unions price workers out of jobs and makes outsourcing look a pretty good plan to get out from under them. History shows the first thing Hitler did was go after and destroy the Labor Unions. Are you some type of Fascist?

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 09/15/09 07:55 PM
The cost of maintaining a Union for one. History shows, Unions price workers out of jobs and makes outsourcing look a pretty good plan to get out from under them. History shows the first thing Hitler did was go after and destroy the Labor Unions. Are you some type of Fascist? No, I voted for Ron Paul. The main reason for outsourcing is the cost of labor.

1956deluxe Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 8559	Tue 09/15/09 08:04 PM
The cost of maintaining a Union for one. History shows, Unions price workers out of jobs and makes outsourcing look a pretty good plan to get out from under them. History shows the first thing Hitler did was go after and destroy the Labor Unions. Are you some type of Fascist? No, I voted for Ron Paul. The main reason for outsourcing is the cost of labor. Well if you want to eliminate Labor Unions, I believe that makes you a Fascist. That is exactly what Hitler did when he came to power in Germany. Study history. So the cost of labor is the reason for outsourcing? How about corporate greed? You see the conditions they have in Mexico. A worker there makes in a month, what you make in a day. Do you think it would be a good idea if the American workers made the same money that the Mexican worrkers do? Is that what you are saying? I am sure the corporate CEO's in the US would love to see that!