one dumb bumper sticker. was there ever a war fought for peace?

wew! isnt someone taking things a little personal.
i could argue all these points you made (and you made some good ones)
but i think your taking this a little to serious.

aw what the hell. if there was no bad, could there be good? if there was no war, would the term peace even exsist? no matter where you live, the government that governs you had to at one point or the other war with someone else. could the US (if you hate the US, lets say the fundemental ideas behind our great republic) ever have become what it is today with out war(the American revolution)
or anyother country for that matter.
you dont have to love war, but you shouldnt hate it either. war is war, and with out war, where would we be?
if you never challenged your mucsles, would you ever grow strong and fit? if you never challenged your mind, would you have that sound logic that you are so certain i lack?

nicely said!

There are ways to make the reasons much less compelling than they are here. As lame as Canada is they're very similar to America yet violent crime is so reduced and when was the last time they went to war with anyone?

I don't mean to make it sound too simple, it's not, but we've definitely got ways left to improve.



Sometimes yes but other times you just get a bunch of mercenaries torturing people who were never given trials to decide if they were even guilty.

Most people don't think any of the modern wars have done nearly so much of that as the older ones did and I'd wager that they didn't think that benefit was worth so much money and bloodshed if you could just work out things with some diplomacy instead.

But if you want have less vice you could also do it by secularizing our religions. Countries where people have to work out their morals for themselves have people behaving more morally from the same perspective. Perhaps we've let strict religion turn into a vice?

A) : Use birth control .
B) : Everyone can keep his or her ideology peaceful .
C) : No religions at all or no one gives a damn about the others' religions .
D) : I certainly have self interest but I am very peaceful and that goes for millions or billions around us .
E) : The common enemy should be wars and violence .
F) : The media is a part of the problem and a part of the solution . Let us make only a part of the solution .
G) : There is good politics and bad politics . we follow only good politics .
H) : I am human for sure but I hate both violence and wars .
The rest of humanity can be the same .

With the advancement of modern technology in countries such as U.S., Korea and China and a few others I don't think that we can ever stop war. Someone always hates someone else; Either for what they haven't done or what they have done. 3rd world countries still struggle to deal with their own wars, which then stack up against the bigger countries, thus creating more war. I don't think it can ever be stopped.

I believe the politicians are making wars and not the people .
In order to have the masses approval and support of a war usually Administrations are turned to lies, propaganda, manipulation and deceits . If people know the truth in most cases they do not support the wars .Nowadays the best examples of the propaganda machine and all the lies are the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan .
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We probably can't get rid of wars altogether but as time marches on we've had fewer and fewer people dieing in the wars (well, fraction compared to the total population anyway.)

Back when people basically fought with axes and maybe a shield about one in every two males would die from battle injuries. In modern times it's magnitudes lower.

Plus we've got that recent reminder that killing primitives is still really ****ing expensive and doesn't turn into an easy payout if you go in under prepared, or maybe hardly ever.

Still the US, Nato and Israel are the most aggressive nations who are doing the futile and unjustified killings . The problem with the US, they want oil, military bases and resources; the problem with NATO, they just follow the US in what is known as the politics of the blind leading the blind; the problem with Isarel, it wants to dominate the Middle East and to absorb as many lands as it can .
If their Masses want peace, justice and complete freedom then they have to elect politicians who are committed to peace and justice and not to wars and bullying .Can the Masses do that ?. Of course they can !.

the US and NATO are doing most of the killing?

have you never heard of Darfur then?

or Rowanda?

or even Sarajevo?

Yes I am very well aware of these troubled spots of Darfur in Sudan ( Africa ), Rwanda in Africa and Sarajevo in Europe . However these days the real axis of evil are : the US, NATO and Israel . I am sure that their actions speak loud and clear for them !.
However I am most interested in how we can as humans work together and put an end to all and I mean all violence and all and I mean all wars in our planet .

Another stupid double post ....... .

Violins in the world?

There's nothing wrong with ...

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Uhhh ... Never mind.

(For all the old-time SNL fans that remember Gilda and her classic routine. )

Not true .
There was the Falcon war between Argentina and England when Madam Margaret Thacher was a Prime Minister of England .
History tells us that so many Queens were involved in wars to their ears......etc . A woman is a person and just look how much Hilary Clinton and others enjoy wars and blood....!!!.

Well they don't count because that's the anus of the world and they're not people.
...I figure this is technically what he's thinking but that he'd never dream of phrasing it like that.

What it comes down to is that we don't see them as having any connection to our society.


While it is true that the masses want peace that because they've given up the whole resolving most issues with violence aspect of their lives to their governments.

Without police I could rely to protect me from the occasional nasty neighbor and a military I could rely on to remind other countries that attacking me is a bad idea I'd I'd be really pro-guns and probably have to live with some extended family so we could form a sort of militia on a moment's notice and probably raid nearby families we weren't on good terms with if only to kill them before they could kill us.

Now, I don't mean that I can tangibly see the police and military being what stops me from doing those things- I consider myself to be quite moral. What I mean is that there are a couple of places in the world where you can look at the society and in lacking the police and military organization we're used to having they take up those tasks themselves and it turns out people are a lot more extreme when the only penalty is a death they thought was on it's way anyway.

If you're familiar with the big psychology experiments of decades past you probably don't have much trouble accepting that people would fall into this sort of behavior rapidly.


I don't mean to justify the war(s) on terror by any means but at the very least they've been enough of an embarrassment that we won't see that kind of thing repeated any time soon. NATO and Israel have still got a ways to go but I'm optimistic.

The wars on terror are just an excuse for G.W. bush and his neo cons to have colonies and to bully those who can not defend themselves .
The poor and the weak suffered too much under this Administration in many country .
Anyway what are the steps to be taken to achieve complete peace on the interior and international fronts then ?.

Even if you're straight up convinced of that you have to realize you sound like a crackpot when you keep insisting on it that way, right? Try to tone it down just a little. The idea that he's stupid rather than evil gets more mileage and if you want you can sort of end whatever you're saying with "but what's more frightening is if he's not stupid but did this all on purpose."

Anyway that question doesn't work in your favor either because I had just said that the colossal mistakes made in these wars are a big enough embarrassment to prevent anyone from doing it again and I think even the terrorists have learned that putting the US into a panic will play into the hands of the people they really hate (or at least I thought they viewed Bush like that.)

Now, I'm sure you won't have much trouble seeing how fundamentalist Christianity played into all of this. With the way that they're currently losing the legal battles against science education they are already losing ground in this country and if we keep voting out their school board members each time they try to put religion in the classroom they'll eventually run out of devout voters who will put any faith in them.

Christianity in general is probably not a problem but what those extremists do is morally bankrupt and they only ever got so far by convincing normal Christians that they were doing normal Christian things. It's becoming visible that that is not what they do and with a little bit more bad PR I don't think we'll have any more presidents from that group.

There are a lot of people in this country who are both concerned for the well being of future generations and who learn how they can help with that. As long as they're still fighting the people who don't learn and just say the problem is "not enough God" the measures to prevent this kind of thing happening again are already in progress.

And again, it was a huge embarrassment so the two big factors are practically taken care of.

General greed might be a third factor but for now I think people recognize the value of stable economies so we've got that keeping everyone too busy to think about another war for now. There's a strong enough possibility of major changes in the way our companies do business further down the road that I can't speculate beyond that.

I do not like a bit when people instead of tackling an issue of discussion they start by : you, you,.....you...!!!.
We discuss ideas and facts .

Double Post .