Topic: Who do you say that I am?
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Sun 07/26/09 04:11 PM
You are the Christ, The Lamb of GOD.

Jesus is GOD. GOD is one being (for lack of a better term) with 3 seperate persona's. Jesus is GOD the son, not GOD the father. Thats why people like me say Jesus is GOD, yet the Bible has him praying to GOD (the father).

Now since Jesus is GOD and GOD is, was, and will be forever. Jesus has always existed. He took human form in order to carry out GOD's plan of salvation.

You see, GOD is Holy. What that means (among other things) is that GOD is perfect. Without flaw. He is without sin or evil. That is his nature.

As flawed beings, we humans as we are, cant be in the presence of GOD. Its not that GOD is some unforgiving tyrant that cant accept our imperfections. Think of him as a buring sun and we(in our sinful nature) are pieces of paper. We would not last a second in his presence.

But GOD loves us! And wants a relationship with us. He wants us to be with him in eternity.

Thats where Christ comes into the mix. By taking human form, Jesus was able to to do what no other human could do. Live a sin free life! Jesus was 100% GOD and 100% man. He the capacity to be tempted like all humans. Since he was GOD, he had the ability to resist all temptation.

Jesus's purpose during his time on earth, was to pay the price for all of our sins. He knew all along that he would shed his blood on that cross. His shed blood was an atonement (think: payment) for our sins!

So all we have to do is believe that Jesus is who the Bible says he is. We have to have faith in him. When we do this, we get credit for his perfection. He is the way (the only way) to GOD.

Faith can be described in many ways. True faith involves action more than just a feeling or beliefs. I can say that I have faith in Jesus, all I want. But my actions (or actions that I dont engage in) show my true faith more than words or a WWJD bumper sticker.

So why is Jesus called the Lamb of GOD? In the Jewish faith (Jesus was Jewish) people would be required by GOD to sacrifice animals as an atonement for the sins of the people. The thing was: you brought your best animal to be sacraficed. You didnt bring the spotted lamb with the gimpy leg. You brought the strongest, best looking animal you had. Jesus was without sin. He was perfect. He and only he was a sacrifice worthy of GOD.

So why not just keep sacrificing animals and stuff? The blood of these animals was only good enough to cover up sin. Like if a person is dirty and stinks, but cant take a shower. So they spay some deoderant to cover up the stink. The blood of Jesus washed away sin. Like a nice, hot shower of forgivness.

and Jesus said to Peter, on this rock I will build my Church.

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Sun 07/26/09 05:22 PM
So all we have to do is believe that Jesus is who the Bible says he is. We have to have faith in him. When we do this, we get credit for his perfection. He is the way (the only way) to GOD.


That's precisely what the authors of the Bible were hoping you'd fall for. It served them well to make the masses believe that only by serving the authority of their church which was seen as the 'body of Christ'.

It's clearly that mortal men would lust for this agenda.

What would a true supernatural creator get out of such a doctrine?

Such a deity would be disgusting to say the least.

Besides, the entrire myth is based on a foundational lie that man's fall from grace is what brought sin, evil, and death into the world.

We now know that this is a totally fabricated lie. The world was dog-eat-dog and filled with disease and death long before mankind ever even came onto the scene. Mankind could not possibly be responsible for what these ancient myths claim.

All the stuff about gods being appeased by blood sacrifices was nothing more than an ancient superstition. Zeus was supposedly appeased by blood sacrifices too. Yahweh is nothing more than a jealous male-chauvinitic version of Zeus.

The very idea of a divine creator that is appease by blood sacrifices is an utterly insane idea to begin with.

The myth doesn't make any sense anyway, because if Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God, then God would have been appeased by watching his own Son be butchered on a pole. In fact, not only would he have been appeased by that act, but he actaully commanded the Jews to murder blasphemists. And Jesus was most certainly a Blasphemist.

According to the gospels,...

Jesus disagreed with the teachings of Yahweh.

That's blaspheme.

According to the gospels,...

Jesus claimed to be god.

That's blaspheme.

According to the gospels,...

Jesus demanded that we can only get to the Father through him. Thus he put himself BEFORE Yahweh.

That a direct blaspheme against the commandment that we must not put any God before Yahweh.

If Jesus was Yahweh, then the idea that he was his own sacrifice to appease himself makes even less sense.

Moreover, if the whole thing was done to win a battle against some evil satantic fallen angel, that could only mean that Yahweh was seriously threatened by that fallen angel and had to restort to a truly desperate act in order to beat the devil.

The would be a God who jumps though hoops to appease a demon.

It's a lose-lose mythology.

The mythology of Zeus actually makes far more sense.

Yet most people have no problem at all passing off Zeus as pure mythology.

The mythology of Yahweh is even more ridiculous than Zeus and totally riddled with utter absurdities.

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Sun 07/26/09 05:30 PM
Ab, I will say this about your replies. You dont come half hearted or half cocked! You bring it! I dont agree with you, but I respect your zeal and passion.

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Sun 07/26/09 05:31 PM
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together..:heart:

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Sun 07/26/09 06:00 PM
Edited by Benofzen on Sun 07/26/09 06:02 PM
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly!

I'm crying..

:heart: :heart: :heart: The Beatles

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Sun 07/26/09 06:11 PM

Ab, I will say this about your replies. You dont come half hearted or half cocked! You bring it! I dont agree with you, but I respect your zeal and passion.


I confess that I find the Mediterrean mythologies to be horrific.

The mythology of Yahweh is just a nasty version of Zeus, IMHO. Even Zeus was not as male-chauvinistic, nor as jealous as Yahweh. Nor was he as bigoted in many other ways as well.

I've already shared with you my vision of Jesus as a Buddhist who actually tried to preach love, respect and forgiviness in the face of the ancient teachings of Yahweh.

I denounce the Mediterranean mythologies as being far too insane and bigoted to have been inspired by any genuinely divine being.

I personally feel that it's a total disgrace that people keep those mythologies alive in the name of Jesus.

So you can tell me that Jesus is going to send me to hell all you want. I don't believe that Jesus was a monster.

He tried to stand up against this bigotry and hatred. He did not mean to support it.

This I believe.

The religion has far too much blood on it's hands. Just look at the trail of blood left by Christians throughout history, murdering heathens, midwives as witches, and even each other for simply holding different views on what the religion even mean.

Even they can't agree on what the doctrine means.

Today the religion has fallen into four major sects, Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the myriad of rebellious demoninations of Protestanism.

None of them agree on what this god even wants.

If "God's word" is so confusing that even clergy can't agree on what the books are saying, then it could not have been inspiried by any 'all-wise' god.

Clearly these mythologies don't have any more crediblity than Greek Mythology. And they are far worse in terms of spreading bigotry and hatred in the name of Yahweh and even in the name of Jesus.

Even you would have Jesus casting me into Hell for simply not beliving that he is the son of the horrible Yahweh.


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Sun 07/26/09 07:24 PM

You see, GOD is Holy. What that means (among other things) is that GOD is perfect. Without flaw. He is without sin or evil. That is his nature.


Aye and we are created in his image... Therefore, either your statement does not fit the foundation statements in the very book you quote...

(we shall make them in our image... Male and female created he them.)

Or God is not without evil. For in his/her image are we yet WE commit evil. (and yet we also commit good)

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Sun 07/26/09 07:26 PM
You don't need to worry about standing in the presence of god...

For god is within you.

and every breath you take.

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Sun 07/26/09 07:54 PM
No, no, no! You have it all wrong.

It is not a God, but a Goddess that looks like Halle Berry who runs the show. drinker

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Mon 07/27/09 12:05 AM


You see, GOD is Holy. What that means (among other things) is that GOD is perfect. Without flaw. He is without sin or evil. That is his nature.


Aye and we are created in his image... Therefore, either your statement does not fit the foundation statements in the very book you quote...

(we shall make them in our image... Male and female created he them.)

Or God is not without evil. For in his/her image are we yet WE commit evil. (and yet we also commit good)


Adventure, you are good man. I will try my best to respond to your comment. I admit that you make real good point. "We shall make them in our image" My first thought is who is "our" The word suggests more than one person. Does GOD mean our (us/we) as in GOD Son, Holy Spirit? Or us as in GOD and the Angels? Anyway.. "In our image." Two arms, leggs, humanoid kind of image? Or the capacity to love and reason image? I could have a wax image of me made and it would look very much like me...but would not be me. In an honest attempt to reply to your statement. I dont think the statement GOD made is implying that he is making fellow GOD's or copies of himself. I beleive that it is implying that he made us with the capacity to reason, love...heck even get angry when something pisses us off. So theres my reply. :smile:

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Mon 07/27/09 12:17 AM



You see, GOD is Holy. What that means (among other things) is that GOD is perfect. Without flaw. He is without sin or evil. That is his nature.


Aye and we are created in his image... Therefore, either your statement does not fit the foundation statements in the very book you quote...

(we shall make them in our image... Male and female created he them.)

Or God is not without evil. For in his/her image are we yet WE commit evil. (and yet we also commit good)


Adventure, you are good man. I will try my best to respond to your comment. I admit that you make real good point. "We shall make them in our image" My first thought is who is "our" The word suggests more than one person. Does GOD mean our (us/we) as in GOD Son, Holy Spirit? Or us as in GOD and the Angels? Anyway.. "In our image." Two arms, leggs, humanoid kind of image? Or the capacity to love and reason image? I could have a wax image of me made and it would look very much like me...but would not be me. In an honest attempt to reply to your statement. I dont think the statement GOD made is implying that he is making fellow GOD's or copies of himself. I beleive that it is implying that he made us with the capacity to reason, love...heck even get angry when something pisses us off. So theres my reply. :smile:


We shall make them in our image... ... Male and female created he them...

God is we... We can only be god in pairs... For we are not god but the image.

This was done on the 6th day and god rested.

on the eighth day god created a garden to the east.

He then created Adam to tend the garden... Adam might be the 'son of god' but I am not.

Check your book if you don't believe me... Read it. The timeline is written just as I have said.

Not all of us NEED jesue.

Some of us are the son of man... Created BY male and female... The image of god.

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Mon 07/27/09 01:04 AM


Ab, I will say this about your replies. You dont come half hearted or half cocked! You bring it! I dont agree with you, but I respect your zeal and passion.


I confess that I find the Mediterrean mythologies to be horrific.

The mythology of Yahweh is just a nasty version of Zeus, IMHO. Even Zeus was not as male-chauvinistic, nor as jealous as Yahweh. Nor was he as bigoted in many other ways as well.

I've already shared with you my vision of Jesus as a Buddhist who actually tried to preach love, respect and forgiviness in the face of the ancient teachings of Yahweh.

I denounce the Mediterranean mythologies as being far too insane and bigoted to have been inspired by any genuinely divine being.

I personally feel that it's a total disgrace that people keep those mythologies alive in the name of Jesus.

So you can tell me that Jesus is going to send me to hell all you want. I don't believe that Jesus was a monster.

He tried to stand up against this bigotry and hatred. He did not mean to support it.

This I believe.

The religion has far too much blood on it's hands. Just look at the trail of blood left by Christians throughout history, murdering heathens, midwives as witches, and even each other for simply holding different views on what the religion even mean.

Even they can't agree on what the doctrine means.

Today the religion has fallen into four major sects, Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the myriad of rebellious demoninations of Protestanism.

None of them agree on what this god even wants.

If "God's word" is so confusing that even clergy can't agree on what the books are saying, then it could not have been inspiried by any 'all-wise' god.

Clearly these mythologies don't have any more crediblity than Greek Mythology. And they are far worse in terms of spreading bigotry and hatred in the name of Yahweh and even in the name of Jesus.

Even you would have Jesus casting me into Hell for simply not beliving that he is the son of the horrible Yahweh.




I dont have the grey matter to reply to all that you said, but I want to touch on a couple points you made.

Hell is really being apart from GOD for eternity. Not so much burning forever. But being alone forever. Being in a void. I understand your thought process when you say that(Im para phrasing you, bear with me please) a loving GOD would not do this. I feel that you are missing the "other side of that coin" Being that GOD came to earth in human form, Jesus, to pay a price in blood. He personally came into the mortal coil to save us from hell. It's like he is reaching out his hand to save us. Wheither or not we take his hand is up to us. So you are right.. God is not gonna leave you hanging. He is also not gonna force you to accept his gift of salvation. Free will in full effect.

Next up: Killing in the name of GOD. You are right. Killing people isnt the best way to share the love of Christ. The men who did this were wrong. Plain and simple. Jesus never killed anyone. And when GOD had people put to death in the old times, that was GOD's will. Now why did GOD have poeple killed in another can of worms, that Im not going into. My point is that the crusaders and puritains who were killing heathens and burning(so called) witches were twisting GOD's word in order to convert them. Again I will say.. they were wrong to do that.

Buddha and Mohammed, just to name a couple very spiritual and wise men; never claimed to be GOD. Because they were wise and knew that they were not. If you say that Buddha or anyone taught the same as Jesus before he was alive; you are missing the fact that Jesus is GOD. His "teachings" are eternal as he is. Jesus stated: "I am the way, the truth and the light, no man (or woman) comes to the Father except through me" He said it! "I am GOD" and yes to say that is blasphamy unless....the one saying it is GOD. That why the religious leaders flipped their lids when he said that. There hearts were hard (aka closed minds) and they could not perceive who he was.

Of course all that I say is based on the Bible. If a person believes that the Bible is flawed or written by men with no help from GOD, then my points are moot.

Anyway... There is is. :smile: