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I'm with the cops on this one. The President screwed up by commenting on the situation the way he did. In the polls,his numbers will drop. be seeing you I don't think less of him for this. It's not that big of deal to me. The reporter asked the question and he answered it. He said that the man was his friend. He brought up important points about racial profiling. Frankly they trapped him I think, if he has more time to thinking about it, I think he might not have used the word stupid, that will haunt him. I dont' know why people fee that the president has to weigh in on issues like this. Leave him out of it and let him do his job.. why is he not allowed or why do people think he should not have used the word 'stupid' if that's how he truly felt? you'd think we would all by now know - no one is politically correct all the time 
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post  He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
Let me see if I understand you... example: If you were speeding, and I pulled you over, wrote you a ticket for said traffic offense....and a couple of days later...for whatever reason...(favor for a relative/friend of yours)I decide to drop the speeding ticket...your saying now...that it must have been "bogus" because I doped it? Just because I fictitiously dropped the charges...don't erase the fact of your actual crime. Did I get that right? 
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I KNEW IT FRAN!!!!!
ok....how is it profiling when a neighbor calls the cops saying someone is breaking in and the cops respond??? maybe I missed something |
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
Let me see if I understand you... example: If you were speeding, and I pulled you over, wrote you a ticket for said traffic offense....and a couple of days later...for whatever reason...(favor for a relative/friend of yours)I decide to drop the speeding ticket...your saying now...that it must have been "bogus" because I doped it? Just because I fictitiously dropped the charges...don't erase the fact of your actual crime. Did I get that right?
The charge of disorderly conduct was dropped.
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
Let me see if I understand you... example: If you were speeding, and I pulled you over, wrote you a ticket for said traffic offense....and a couple of days later...for whatever reason...(favor for a relative/friend of yours)I decide to drop the speeding ticket...your saying now...that it must have been "bogus" because I doped it? Just because I fictitiously dropped the charges...don't erase the fact of your actual crime. Did I get that right?
The charge of disorderly conduct was dropped.
In the same way that I might have dropped the charges, in the last post. Just because I dropped my charges on you...does that mean you didn't do it to start with?
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I KNEW IT FRAN!!!!!
ok....how is it profiling when a neighbor calls the cops saying someone is breaking in and the cops respond??? maybe I missed something hiya sunshine 
Wasn't one of the officers present at the Gates a profiler? Isn't that how he got involved? Not sure, was the profiler the arresting officer? With what info has been shared on this, it appears (to me) that the police went beyond their call and should have reacted differently. Keep in mind I have never served and when I wear a badge, I normally have on heels (  ) but I think situation should have been diffused not allowed to escalate to this level.
As for the President, don't think he did anything wrong sharing his opinion. He said he thought it was stupid to have arrested Mr. Gates and I think he as well as anyone of us is within his rights to express how he feels. |
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Obama: Scholar's arrest 'a teachable moment'
President stops short of apologizing to police for 'acting stupidly' remark msnbc.com news services updated 34 minutes ago BOSTON - President Barack Obama on Friday stopped short of apologizing for his remarks that police officers "acted stupidly" when they arrested a black Harvard scholar but said he hopes the incident becomes "a teachable moment." In a brief foray into the White House briefing room, Obama told reporters he should have chosen his words more carefully when discussing the arrest of his friend, Henry Louis Gates Jr. But he said he continues to believe there was an "overreaction" by police. ................. .................. .......Earlier, a multiracial group of police officers stood with the white officer who arrested Gates and asked Obama and Gov. Deval Patrick to apologize for comments union leaders called insulting........ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32122967/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/ ---------------------------------------------- look an obamism "a teachable moment." ------------------------------------------------ 
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 07/24/09 12:53 PM
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect |
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I was a police officer for 8 years. First of all the facts in this case that are known...the Professor did not give his ID willingly at first. The police have to run the ID, and in the meantime were verbally assaulted by the Professor. I think the Good Professor knew he had a friend in a high place and used it. He should have been happy the police came to check on his house and cooperated. But the police do not take things at face value, his ID had to be verified. Plenty of fake ones out there. The Professor should have told the neighbors, had a spare key, or whatever.
Then, the President, on a national press conference jumps in with saying, "he did not know all the facts and was not there, but it probably was profiling and the police acted stupidly"...I was shocked. I did not vote for Obama, but have given him my support since the election. He is the President. But as a law student from Harvard, where the Professor is also from, Obama jumped to a quick conclusion. That scared me, he is the President. He should have taken a pass on that question. I lost a lot of respect for Obama on this one. Also, the Professor is bi-racial and proudly admitted according to DNA results, he is actually 56% white. Yet he jumps on the racial profiling bandwagon. |
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I was a police officer for 8 years. First of all the facts in this case that are known...the Professor did not give his ID willingly at first. The police have to run the ID, and in the meantime were verbally assaulted by the Professor. I think the Good Professor knew he had a friend in a high place and used it. He should have been happy the police came to check on his house and cooperated. But the police do not take things at face value, his ID had to be verified. Plenty of fake ones out there. The Professor should have told the neighbors, had a spare key, or whatever. Then, the President, on a national press conference jumps in with saying, "he did not know all the facts and was not there, but it probably was profiling and the police acted stupidly"...I was shocked. I did not vote for Obama, but have given him my support since the election. He is the President. But as a law student from Harvard, where the Professor is also from, Obama jumped to a quick conclusion. That scared me, he is the President. He should have taken a pass on that question. I lost a lot of respect for Obama on this one. Also, the Professor is bi-racial and proudly admitted according to DNA results, he is actually 56% white. Yet he jumps on the racial profiling bandwagon. Agree, 100%! 
It's amazing how many people still have their heads buried in the sand! |
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
Read my last post...last sentence... and besides, Mirror...you didn't answer my last question to you. (speeding ticket example) |
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
Read my last post...last sentence... and besides, Mirror...you didn't answer my last question to you. (speeding ticket example) Yes, I know that charges sometimes get dropped out of kindness of the officer or prosecuter but most of the time they get dropped when the arrest was uncalled for
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"Uncalled For"? No, usually not enough evidence to prosecute or not worth the negative impact. It's kinda like the "Don't Taze Me Bro" thing. Now there were black officers tazing a white guy. I supported their actions there and think this case is similar...jmo
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
the white guy charged was on the phone there was no possibility of immediate harm the black person was disobeying a law enforcement officer in the carrying out of his duties to protect his home and body the officer was called by the neighbor that said someone is breaking into his house if he had shown his id as is required by law none of this would have taken place the guy on the phone was provoked by the company representative when the company representative called him a profane name the guy on the phone was also three states away |
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
the white guy charged was on the phone there was no possibility of immediate harm the black person was disobeying a law enforcement officer in the carrying out of his duties to protect his home and body the officer was called by the neighbor that said someone is breaking into his house if he had shown his id as is required by law none of this would have taken place the guy on the phone was provoked by the company representative when the company representative called him a profane name the guy on the phone was also three states away The professor did show his ID. And I think saying that your going to kill people and their families and burn down buildings is worse than breaking into your own house.
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Mirror, the Professor did not give his ID at first. It's not like he walked to the officer and handed it to him and explained the situation...he was defensive and verbally aggressive.jmo
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
Read my last post...last sentence... and besides, Mirror...you didn't answer my last question to you. (speeding ticket example) Yes, I know that charges sometimes get dropped out of kindness of the officer or prosecuter but most of the time they get dropped when the arrest was uncalled for
OK...I agree there are always going to be 2 sides to every story! Also, I'm assuming you have never been in law enforcement! Given that the statements above are true, it would be very easy for you to assume the conclusions that you have apparently come to. The arresting officer was/is a "profiler expert", even taught classes on the subject. There was also a black officer with Sgt.James Crowley as well, at the scene. He also says the the arresting officer was well within his rights to arrest the prof! That Gates was way out of line! Why Gates don't just accept the fact that he was in the wrong(by his outburst of anger)and take the idea of "dropped charges" as the end of it. Personally, if it were me that was the arresting officer...I would have never dropped any charges that I deemed were justifiable! I could go on all night with this subject...but I'm not...I've been on both sides of the fence in my life time...and I side with the police in this matter. Besides, if I don't stop now...I don't want to say anything that might be construed as offensive/or argumentative towards a fellow Mingle'r/Minglette! So, lets go have a cold one...and see what is on the news for tomorrow's discussions.  
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 07/24/09 02:11 PM
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A black police officer who was at Gates' home during the arrest said he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.
Sgt. Leon Lashley said Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley said Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been." Differing accounts Officers responded to Gates' home on July 16 after a woman called 911 and said she saw two black men with backpacks trying to force open the front door. The woman, Lucia Whalen, has not responded to repeated attempts for comment. Gates has said he returned from an overseas trip, found the door jammed, and that he and his driver attempted to force it open. Gates went through the back door and was inside the house on the phone with the property's management company when police arrived. Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. Police say Gates accused Crowley of racial bias, refused to calm down and was arrested. The charge was dropped Tuesday, but Gates has demanded an apology, calling his arrest a case of racial profiling. |
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Mirror, the Professor did not give his ID at first. It's not like he walked to the officer and handed it to him and explained the situation...he was defensive and verbally aggressive.jmo In his own home. And once the cop seen the professors ID then the situation should have ended and the officer should have left.
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