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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. tell that to the parents of the columbien or virg tech students if a the administrative members had weapons it would have been a totally different situation Not true at all it could have been worse then. |
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. tell that to the parents of the columbien or virg tech students if a the administrative members had weapons it would have been a totally different situation Not true at all it could have been worse then. or it would not have happened at all |
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People are going on the logic that a gun is a feared object and can control others, when you have a gun holder who is not sane or a sane gun holder using it as a weapon of protection, innocents can still be killed either way and the fear factor will change nothing for the better.
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. tell that to the parents of the columbien or virg tech students if a the administrative members had weapons it would have been a totally different situation It's nice to see we have trained shrinks who know and can prove gun owners are insane. |
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. tell that to the parents of the columbien or virg tech students if a the administrative members had weapons it would have been a totally different situation Not true at all it could have been worse then. or it would not have happened at all No it would not have stopped it at any level, there would have been more deaths is all. |
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People are going on the logic that a gun is a feared object and can control others, when you have a gun holder who is not sane or a sane gun holder using it as a weapon of protection, innocents can still be killed either way and the fear factor will change nothing for the better. but if only the abusive gun holder has a gun then no doubt innocents will die if those around the abusive gun holder have guns then maybe only the abusive gun holder will suffer i like those odds much better |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 07/16/09 02:46 PM
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. tell that to the parents of the columbien or virg tech students if a the administrative members had weapons it would have been a totally different situation Not true at all it could have been worse then. or it would not have happened at all No it would not have stopped it at any level, there would have been more deaths is all. that is pure speculation stats prove the places with the least gun control have the least violent crime if any one that was armed seen this developing they could have put a stop to it at the very beginning and they sure would not have been walking down the halls shooting whom ever they seen |
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Edited by
willing2
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Thu 07/16/09 02:51 PM
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. I tried Googling your claim and found nothing. You might provide proof or quit generalizing about gun owners. 
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 You cant drink and drive but you can drink and shoot a gun???
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime More, actually because gun owners are not all sane to begin with. People who feel they have to have a gun to live safely have a flawed sense of reality. IMO We have already lived the wild wild west and throughout history we have seen the craziness. tell that to the parents of the columbien or virg tech students if a the administrative members had weapons it would have been a totally different situation Not true at all it could have been worse then. or it would not have happened at all No it would not have stopped it at any level, there would have been more deaths is all. that is pure speculation stats prove the places with the least gun control have the least violent crime if any one that was armed seen this developing they could have put a stop to it at the very beginning and they sure would not have been walking down the halls shooting whom ever they seen  What about places with lots of guns AND alcohol???
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People are going on the logic that a gun is a feared object and can control others, when you have a gun holder who is not sane or a sane gun holder using it as a weapon of protection, innocents can still be killed either way and the fear factor will change nothing for the better. Have you ever stared down the barrel of a gun? The above logic is sound...guns shoulded be feared and can control others, hence why law enforcement officers carry them. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. We will all become victims waiting for somebody (aka the cops) to come save us when the crazy people you yourself admitted exist go off the deep end. I don't think just being a gun owner makes my reality flawed. The reality is violence occurs. The right to bear arms is not just to protect us from crazy people intent on harming others, it's to protect our rights as citizens in a free country. It's so we can stand up to the govt if they try to remove our other God given freedoms (which is now happening at an alarming rate BTW). The answer is not banning guns, it's teaching people to respect them for their purpose(s) not just fear them. I fear a gun in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing with it AND I fear a gun in the hands of someone who doesn't respect it. But I'd rather sit in a bar knowing I had the means to protect myself if the need arises. "Bad guys" would be more hesitant to pull their crap if they knew that damn near every person they encountered could take them out. Think about it. Fly your antigun flag, I'll fly my NRA one...guess whose house gets hit first by the criminals. And one last note, I absolutely abhor violence!!!! Ironic huh? 
PS...  to the people who commented on my prior post.
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Funny that nobody has pointed out the obvious. All this hoopla about what if we mix drunks and guns. Why not control the drunk part of the equation. Maybe Billy Joe and Fred shouldn't be served until they're ready to fight and pull guns on each other. Maybe society should stop emphasing how "fun" it is to go out and consume large amounts of alcohol and do dumb things. But that's a whole different ballgame now isn't it?
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 07/16/09 03:19 PM
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Funny that nobody has pointed out the obvious. All this hoopla about what if we mix drunks and guns. Why not control the drunk part of the equation. Maybe Billy Joe and Fred shouldn't be served until they're ready to fight and pull guns on each other. Maybe society should stop emphasing how "fun" it is to go out and consume large amounts of alcohol and do dumb things. But that's a whole different ballgame now isn't it?
well the obvious is this it is against the law to serve a drunk person to begin with maybe this would actually cause bartenders to stop serving people when they should you should not punish sam for the things boris may do |
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http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/TNs-New-Guns-in-Bars-Law-Takes-Effect/yDjhH7OopUa9zi5tg0-nGg.cspx?rss=59 MEMPHIS, TN - If you have a handgun carry permit, it is now legal in Tennessee to take a gun into a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served. The "Guns in Bars law" took effect Tuesday, July 14, 2009. A judge ruled Monday against blocking the law, citing restaurants and bars do have the right under the law to prohibit firearms. Jake Schorr, owner of Westy’s in Downtown Memphis, says he has no problem with licensed gun owners bringing their firearms into his bar. “What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr. Guns will not be allowed anywhere on Beale Street. Starting Friday, July 17, 2009, security officers will use hand wands to check patrons to ensure the entertainment district remains a gun-free zone. “Mixing alcohol, stepping on somebody's toe and then getting mad and they (people with guns) want to shoot somebody. No guns should not be allowed on Beale Street unless you're an officer,” said Michael Haro, Security Manager at Superior Restaurant on Beale. Authorities say handgun permit holders caught carrying a weapon into an establishment that has a "no guns allowed" sign posted will be given a misdemeanor citation. The Memphis Restaurant Association is having "no guns" decals made for members who have chosen to ban guns from their business. Until those decals arrive, the Association is offering members a temporary sign which they can print and post. I can see where there are going to be people who are served alcohol when they are carrying a concealed weapon...because the bar tender will not know... I can see a vision of the airport type security at the door of everywhere...<<<sarcastic statement, or maybe not as sarcastic as I think... The funny thing is that as fast as this law has gone into effect, bar owners are prohibiting guns in their establishments. Folks have been carrying guns in a lot of the Beale Street bars for ages, even though it's against the law. Just about the time it became legal to do so, the bar owners got fed up with the shootings going on in and just outside their places of business and said no more guns. |
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Guns in bars... drunks packing a piece, oh my. 
Glad I don't go to bars. You cant drink and drive but you can drink and shoot a gun???
I guess both of you missed these two paragraphs from the original post: http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/TNs-New-Guns-in-Bars-Law-Takes-Effect/yDjhH7OopUa9zi5tg0-nGg.cspx?rss=59 The "Guns in Bars law" took effect Tuesday, July 14, 2009. A judge ruled Monday against blocking the law, citing restaurants and bars do have the right under the law to prohibit firearms. Jake Schorr, owner of Westy’s in Downtown Memphis, says he has no problem with licensed gun owners bringing their firearms into his bar. “What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr. |
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Guns in bars... drunks packing a piece, oh my.
Glad I don't go to bars. You cant drink and drive but you can drink and shoot a gun???
I guess both of you missed these two paragraphs from the original post: http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/TNs-New-Guns-in-Bars-Law-Takes-Effect/yDjhH7OopUa9zi5tg0-nGg.cspx?rss=59 The "Guns in Bars law" took effect Tuesday, July 14, 2009. A judge ruled Monday against blocking the law, citing restaurants and bars do have the right under the law to prohibit firearms. Jake Schorr, owner of Westy’s in Downtown Memphis, says he has no problem with licensed gun owners bringing their firearms into his bar. “What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr.  So its okay to deny gun owners the right to drink alcohol?
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“What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr So now in addition to your designated driver, you bring along your designated packer. Sure does involve an awful lot of people to allow one person to drink! Maybe I should move home and start a designated driver/gun toter business. |
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Guns in bars... drunks packing a piece, oh my.
Glad I don't go to bars. You cant drink and drive but you can drink and shoot a gun???
I guess both of you missed these two paragraphs from the original post: http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/TNs-New-Guns-in-Bars-Law-Takes-Effect/yDjhH7OopUa9zi5tg0-nGg.cspx?rss=59 The "Guns in Bars law" took effect Tuesday, July 14, 2009. A judge ruled Monday against blocking the law, citing restaurants and bars do have the right under the law to prohibit firearms. Jake Schorr, owner of Westy’s in Downtown Memphis, says he has no problem with licensed gun owners bringing their firearms into his bar. “What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr. So its okay to deny gun owners the right to drink alcohol?
Absolutely OK to deny gun-CARRIERS the "right" to drink (as if there actually were such a thing), just as it is OK for any server to deny someone alcohol if the server believes them to be already drunk. |
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“What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr So now in addition to your designated driver, you bring along your designated packer. Sure does involve an awful lot of people to allow one person to drink! Maybe I should move home and start a designated driver/gun toter business. It doesn't have to be "in addition" ... it could easily be the same person! It also doesn't have to be so that only one person can drink ... same person could do the driving (and heat-packing) for as many as will fit in whatever vehicle he has. |
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Guns in bars... drunks packing a piece, oh my.
Glad I don't go to bars. You cant drink and drive but you can drink and shoot a gun???
I guess both of you missed these two paragraphs from the original post: http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/TNs-New-Guns-in-Bars-Law-Takes-Effect/yDjhH7OopUa9zi5tg0-nGg.cspx?rss=59 The "Guns in Bars law" took effect Tuesday, July 14, 2009. A judge ruled Monday against blocking the law, citing restaurants and bars do have the right under the law to prohibit firearms. Jake Schorr, owner of Westy’s in Downtown Memphis, says he has no problem with licensed gun owners bringing their firearms into his bar. “What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr. So its okay to deny gun owners the right to drink alcohol?
Absolutely OK to deny gun-CARRIERS the "right" to drink (as if there actually were such a thing), just as it is OK for any server to deny someone alcohol if the server believes them to be already drunk. the law say you are not to serve an intoxicated person whether they have a gun or not |
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