There is absolutely nobody is saying that cigarettes are good. Neither alcohol.

How about .... eating greasy foods are bad too. You know what else is bad? Roads with no sidewalks for pedestrians.

Also stabbing myself in the chest is bad too.

but you know..

Why does the government want to tell and control what is good or bad for me?

Every smoker and non smoker know, that cigarettes are bad.

You don't see the picture do you? If someone wants to really quit, quits. If someone doesn't want to quit he or she won't.

This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the government. Neither telling me to eat more veggies.

What's next? Telling people not to eat ice cream? Regulate soda?

I hate soda, and yet I don't want the government to raise the tax on it, because it has too much sugar. I neither want the government tell me to mow my lawn, because ticks like to be in the thick brush and ticks are bad.

There is no sense trying to reason with an addict. I'm outta here.

the point is...who are you or the government to tell grown adults how to live their lives. if it's legal....then stay out...if illegal then the law will handle it

jimmy...your profile says you drink occasionally. should the government monitor how much you drink (as long as it's not while driving)

Did you know that the second hand smoke is even more lethal after a few hours? The gasses or chemicals come together and grow higher in numbers? It increases four times after 2hrs, 4hrs, then and after 6 hours becomes less."aging sidestream smoke is after the cig is put out." And "aging sidestream cigarette smoke for at least 30 minutes increases its toxicity fourfold for 21 day exposures and doubles the toxicity for 90 day exposures, relative to fresh sidestream (a lit cig) smoke. . . : These results help explain the relatively large biological effects of secondhand smoke compared to equivalent mass doses of mainstream smoke,"

Did you know that nicotine is the most lethal poison in the world? One drop will kill a cat, a snake and can kill a human in pure form?

Tobacco smoke is 60 times more toxic than traffic fumes.

Did you know; That a cigarette has only 40% tobacco and 60% "other" ingredients? The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see. This was submitted by the five major American cigarette companies to the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April of 1994, this list of ingredients had long been kept a secret.

Tobacco companies reporting this information were:

American Tobacco Company
Brown and Williamson
Liggett Group, Inc.
Philip Morris Inc.

I have been reading for days the tobacco industries files and research on cigs on the enviroment and humans. As well as animals.
These companies have long known what they were doing to us. They have been given approval to mass murder. Why??

Kat

my grandmother knew ewhen she was little that they are dangerous. they used to call them coffin nails. people know the risks....but they are legal and we are adults.

i don't smoke inside or if i am around people...i move far away if they don't smoke.

A piece from RJ REYNOLDS:

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company
While these ingredients are approved as additives for foods, they were not tested by burning them, and it is the burning of many of these substances which changes their properties, often for the worse. Over 4000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, many of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic. Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia are all present in cigarette smoke. Forty-three known carcinogens are in mainstream smoke, sidestream smoke, or both.
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It's chilling to think about not only how smokers poison themselves, but what others are exposed to by breathing in the secondhand smoke. The next time you're missing your old buddy, the cigarette, take a good long look at this list and see them for what they are: a delivery system for toxic chemicals and carcinogens.

Cigarettes offer people only a multitude of smoking-related diseases and ultimately death.

We are not only killing outselves; we are affecting those around us and those we love. Including our pets.

Kat

Thanks for the science lessons...there isn't one thing I didn't know before... this is not the point.

The point is, who's gonna dictate about people's lives?

What if I drink chlorox every morning?

About the second hand smoke:

1. It's terrible and irresponsible. It's completely unacceptable. If it's within the family, it's the FAMILY's deal to kick his smoking ass out, not to smoke in the house or around kids. NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

2. The Bars are private properties and the bars should make their own rules. NOT THE GOVERNMENT. If a bar owner wants to make his bar a non-smoker bar, then that's his deal, completely fine. If a Bar owner wants to make his bar a smoker bar, that's also his business, NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

If the TOWN makes a rule, (from the Townhouse) that on public or the town-owned state properties are non-smoking areas, that's completely fine.

If the State makes a law, that there is no smoking on state properties and buildings, that's completely fine. They have all the right to do that.

But when Washington DC tells EVERYONE what to do and how on their own private properties, we got a problem.

Couple of people who did similar laws:

-Stalin
-Hitler
-Mao

The principal demand for it [nicotine] is as a horticultural insecticide.
Pure nicotine, C10H14N2, is a highly poisonous colourless liquid, with an unpleasant odour; it boils at 246° - 247° C. and is soluble in most solvents, including water. . . . Nicotine was synthesized in 1904 by A. Pictet, P. Crepieux and Ritoschy."—"Nicotine," Encyclopædia Britannica, Vol 16, p 431 (1963).

"It is also of relevance that the absorption of Nicotine through the lungs is extremely rapid and efficient and reaches the brain more rapidly than after intravenous injection. The arm-to-brain circulation time averages 13.5 seconds, whilst the lung-to-brain time is about 7.5 seconds
Worse, "some 90% of the nicotine delivered to the lungs goes directly to the brain, and it gets there in only 7 seconds," "much faster than a heroin rush from a peripheral vein.

Nicotine is one of the most powerful of the 'nerve poisons' known. Its virulence is compared to that of prussic acid. . . . .
It seems to destroy life not by attacking a few but all of the functions essential to it. . . . A significant indication of this is that there is no substance which can counteract its effects. . . .

The use of tobacco in even the smallest amount impairs the functional action of the liver on the blood passing through it, and that the abnormal state of the blood thus caused will manifest itself by disturbance in the brain.

"Thus the nerves are under the constant influence of the drug and much injury to the system results."—C. W. Lyman, 48 New York Medical Journal 262-265 (8 Sep 1888).


Kat

Oh wait;

"Moreover, there is no question that arsenic . . . is definitely an active carcinogen on human tissue. . . . the arsenic content of American cigarettes has increased from two to six times in a period of 25 years. One popular brand contains from 41 to 52.5 micrograms of arsenic, of which one third remains in the butt, one third is in the ash, and one third goes into the smoke. About five micrograms of arsenic trioxide is inhaled from each cigarette. Three parts of arsenic trioxide per million is the maximum amount permitted in food--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately, "most laymen . . . lack the scientific background to recognize the damage that can be done by what appears [to them] to be miniscule amounts of irritants," --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually . . . the safety factor among the leading brands varies so little that offering it as the basis for smoking any cigarette is like offering a man the choice of committing suicide by jumping either from a 50- or 51-story building.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tobaco poisons are so powerful in miniscule quantities that even smoking merely one cigarette can be enough to start the fatal addictive process.

A test was done that detects smog emmissions on a man that was smoking...it was higher than an automobile exhaust. This was in 2006. The breath of a smoker was nastier and more poisonous than exhaust from a car!!

Kat

I wish that nicotine was an illegal drug.

The danger we smokers do to others is bad enough...but even outside we infect those who do not. It is the business of everyone. I didn't use to understand this. I do now. What I do in my HOME OR OUTSIDE as far as smoking goes...does affect others. It poisons the air and the lungs of everyone.
How many people here will smoke bug spray? Wr do as long as we smoke. The bugs are smarter than we are. They will run away from nicotine.

Kat

Yes, they can ban it. See what happened when they banned alcohol. See what is happening about the marijuana.

I have never ever smoked marijuana in my life and never want to. I hate liquors, the only thing I drink is beer. And yet I am against any sort of "banning" of anything.

I'm gonna look it up for you:

here it is wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

What it shows you the entirely the opposite of what they tried to reach.

I'l make this bet with anyone here.
Put me in garage sized room, and I'll smoke and drink coffee.
You get to run your car in a closed garage.

After an hour or two we'll see who is in better shape.

"The United States Pure Food Laws allow only 1.43 parts of arsenic per million in food, but in 1937 the arsenic content of tobacco was fifty times that amount
TTS chemicals (constituting an "ultrahazardous" combination) have long been researched, e.g., E. Bogen, "Composition of Cigarettes and Cigarette Smoke," 93 J Am Med Ass'n (#9) 1110-1114 (12 Oct 1929).
They have an effect. Prof. W. E. Dixon (Cambridge University), The Tobacco Habit (1927) identified more than fifty diseases or symptoms in which tobacco was already then known to be a factor. Our website on "cancer data 1925" gives an overview of what was already known then. Our website reproducing the Michigan House of Representatives Committee Report on the Tobacco Hazard—1889 has examples of what was known over 110 years ago.

In a 26 page 15 November 1961 admission by Dr. Helmut Wakeham of the Philip Morris Company about the carcinogens in tobacco smoke, there is a remarkable diagram on page 4 (Item 202494715) showing a big cigarette, with two "balloons," one coming out of each end of the cigarette. The balloons contain graphs showing that the percentage of dangerous compounds that come off the burning end of a cigarette ((second hand smoke)) is vastly higher (86%) than the percentage contained in the mainstream smoke (11.2%).

And we think that second hand smoke bothers no one?

Kat

again...i don't smoke around non-smoker. i go outside. the only time i smoke inside is at the bar

Does anybody know what "expost facto" means? How about "grandfathered in"?

Now, "life, liberty and the persuit of happiness"....

I smoke. I respect others, and if they don't smoke I won't impose my habit upon them.

The problem is, I've been smoking a habitual drug for over 40 years that the government said was ok. All of a sudden it's not and I am addicted, have been for a long, long time. I am heavily taxed for their purchase, while those who don't smoke are not. Still, while I pay extra for the right to smoke, I can't smoke where I wish, and most common areas do not provide a "special" place for me to do so away from those who don't. This is discrimination, and under that definition, a hate crime against me.... I'm gonna sue!

what gets me is when non-smokers go to a smoking bar and they complain. i was sitting at the bar not too long agao smoking and later 2 girls came in and sat next to me...then they started to whine about the smoke and looked at me. lol. i told them to either move or leave if they didn't like it when most of the people there were smoking. we have resturants with bars that are non-smoking they can go to.

That's one time I do agree with smokers. Of course we don't technically have such a thing as smoking bars in CA. But I recently remember going outside with a friend while she had a cigarette. We were standing talking when someone came over and stood near us, and then began to cough and through dirty looks at my friend. Give me a break we freakin' went outside, she can step a few feet away! I looked at her and said "if you want to eas-drop on a private conversation your just going to have to learn to deal with the smoke."

Difference here is I don't suck on a tail pipe.

I agree....non-smokers have a duty as well as smokers. most of the bars here are smoking bars. the resturants are non-smoking. some of the resturants bars are smoking...others provide a patio for smokers.

I respect a non-smoker and if I want to smoke...i go away...but if they come to me then that is their problem.

I do know Laura Miller (mayor of dallas) tried to get everything there non-smoking...not sure if it still is. funny thing was....across the street were bars in another city that allowed smoking so the dallas bars lost a lot of business. and then dallas made ashtrays with Laura Miller's picture in the ashtray i'm still looking for one