Topic: Obama...‘Miranda Rights for Terrorists’...
Winx's photo
Thu 06/11/09 09:36 AM

what number of us were read are right befor death in 9/11 ?


Why would we want to prosecute the wrong people for that?

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 06/11/09 09:48 AM
Geneva Convention,


Now I have a reason to laugh...

graysteed's photo
Thu 06/11/09 11:07 AM
so theses are not involved in that and we are wrong as we always are , cnnn and the meda should fight this like thay did in vatnam , we have no right to stand and 9/11 was our falt !

adj4u's photo
Thu 06/11/09 11:09 AM

what number of us were read are right befor death in 9/11 ?


what does that have to do with it

if you are accused of murdering someone (you did not do it)

did the murder victim get read their rights


same thing


everyone wants those responsible dealt with abusing the basic human decency to get a conviction that is unjust fixes nothing --- but it does compound the injustice already performed

Giocamo's photo
Thu 06/11/09 11:39 AM
reading someone their miranda rights...is a constitutional guarantee...forgein enemies / terrorists...are NOT US Citizens...and should not be given " our "...constitution rights...

Dragoness's photo
Thu 06/11/09 12:08 PM

reading someone their miranda rights...is a constitutional guarantee...forgein enemies / terrorists...are NOT US Citizens...and should not be given " our "...constitution rights...


Why not? Are they not as human as we are?

We can be strong and unbending without being inhumane to others.

Why should we treat other humans like animals? Because we can?

I know for a fact that the military personnel who "treat" the captured like animals are then set lose on us after the military trains them like this and they are not mentally well after it.

Why can we not ruin our own military personnel and be humane to others and give miranda rights and prosecute those who have done crimes to us?

I don't understand why we have to act like animals to be considered strong.noway

metalwing's photo
Thu 06/11/09 12:09 PM

reading someone their miranda rights...is a constitutional guarantee...forgein enemies / terrorists...are NOT US Citizens...and should not be given " our "...constitution rights...


I agree. In addition, soldiers out of uniform do not receive the same rights as soldiers in uniform captured on or off the field of battle.

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Thu 06/11/09 12:28 PM
I don't know whether these people should have Miranda rights extended to them. If this is being done after interrogation, but before trial, maybe its being done simply to increase the chance of a successful prosecution - in which case all these people who hate on the suspects should be happy they are being read their rights. Wouldn't you want to see them convicted?

It may seem hypocritical to do this after interrogation, but I have heard (unverified) that the police will designate someone a 'person of interest' rather than a 'suspect', so that they can be more flexible in the way that they get information from them. Also, that sometimes they will delay arrest as long as possible, so that the effective suspect would not be protected by the Miranda rulings.

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Thu 06/11/09 12:36 PM

I don't know whether these people should have Miranda rights extended to them. If this is being done after interrogation, but before trial, maybe its being done simply to increase the chance of a successful prosecution - in which case all these people who hate on the suspects should be happy they are being read their rights. Wouldn't you want to see them convicted?

It may seem hypocritical to do this after interrogation, but I have heard (unverified) that the police will designate someone a 'person of interest' rather than a 'suspect', so that they can be more flexible in the way that they get information from them. Also, that sometimes they will delay arrest as long as possible, so that the effective suspect would not be protected by the Miranda rulings.



I agree on the making of it more legal to prosecute.

We can treat others as we expect to be treated and still punish if necessary. There is punishment with human respect ask any mother.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/11/09 12:38 PM
Miranda Rights is for the US. the Geneva Convention is for foreigners in time of war (such as POWs)....please correct me if I am wrong

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Thu 06/11/09 02:20 PM

Miranda Rights is for the US. the Geneva Convention is for foreigners in time of war (such as POWs)....please correct me if I am wrong



I'm not sure if you are responding to my post, but if you are, I'm sure you are familiar with the great skill that lawyers have at twisting things around. For those that are being tried on American soil, it may be time to take this (legally necessary?) step. Don't worry, we already violated their human rights.

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Thu 06/11/09 02:43 PM


Miranda Rights is for the US. the Geneva Convention is for foreigners in time of war (such as POWs)....please correct me if I am wrong



I'm not sure if you are responding to my post, but if you are, I'm sure you are familiar with the great skill that lawyers have at twisting things around. For those that are being tried on American soil, it may be time to take this (legally necessary?) step. Don't worry, we already violated their human rights.


I was responding in general. the Miranda rights are for americans that are taken into custody in the US. the Geneva convention has rights for POWS and detainees. Miranda rights is just telling someone of their rights under the 5th amendment. the Geneva convention actually gives more to detainees such as medical rights and treatments.


yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/11/09 02:56 PM
I actually never fully looked into the Geneva Convention rules

http://www.genevaconventions.org/


DaveyB's photo
Thu 06/11/09 02:58 PM

reading someone their miranda rights...is a constitutional guarantee...forgein enemies / terrorists...are NOT US Citizens...and should not be given " our "...constitution rights...


Why not read them? They have those rights and others anyway. Only difference is they are being told they have those rights. The Geneva conventions take care of non-us citizens pretty well. You think there are any terrorists out there that give a rats butt whether they have the right to remain silent? Our citizens have that right too, but we sure don't have a problem pushing them for information either. From what I can see it's really a pointless gesture designed to raise world opinion of our judicial system with out really giving anyone anything. And let's not forget, these are suspected terrorists, not convicted terrorists, a whole other set or rules starts to apply after that.

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Thu 06/11/09 02:58 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

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Thu 06/11/09 03:00 PM
Miranda rights are read to let those arrested know of their 5th amendment rights and different states have things different. that is why the Geneva Convention is best for no US citizens during war. they have rights internationally instead of the US/States laws.

make sense or do I need more coffee???? lol

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Thu 06/11/09 03:06 PM

Miranda rights are read to let those arrested know of their 5th amendment rights and different states have things different. that is why the Geneva Convention is best for no US citizens during war. they have rights internationally instead of the US/States laws.

make sense or do I need more coffee???? lol


Makes sense to me, and is what I understood to be true as well. As far as I can tell, reading someone their Miranda rights doesn't actually change what their rights are anyway.

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Thu 06/11/09 03:07 PM


Miranda rights are read to let those arrested know of their 5th amendment rights and different states have things different. that is why the Geneva Convention is best for no US citizens during war. they have rights internationally instead of the US/States laws.

make sense or do I need more coffee???? lol


Makes sense to me, and is what I understood to be true as well. As far as I can tell, reading someone their Miranda rights doesn't actually change what their rights are anyway.


the voices in my head (Ed and Maria) agree with this too) laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 06/11/09 03:13 PM
happy Should the Founding Fathers been put in Gitmo?happy

DaveyB's photo
Thu 06/11/09 03:13 PM



Miranda rights are read to let those arrested know of their 5th amendment rights and different states have things different. that is why the Geneva Convention is best for no US citizens during war. they have rights internationally instead of the US/States laws.

make sense or do I need more coffee???? lol


Makes sense to me, and is what I understood to be true as well. As far as I can tell, reading someone their Miranda rights doesn't actually change what their rights are anyway.


the voices in my head (Ed and Maria) agree with this too) laugh


Nice couple that Maria & Ed, have to take them to dinner sometime laugh