and the beat goes on...

Except that this argument does nothing to address the substantial 4th and 14th amendment issues at stake here. Let's be serious. The only arguments that the anti-gay folks have are normative ones. They do nothing to address the legal arguments posited by the pro gay rights folks.

Perhaps the voters should not be given a choice in the first place as a result of the constitutional issues at stake here. Let me put it this way: Say voters in vermont feel that owning a gun interferes with their ability to raise their kids safely. Recently, in this hypothetical situation, there have been numerous kids shot and killed as a result of gun violence. Accordingly, an interest group in vermont gets the signatures needed to secure an initiative to be on the ballot in the November election. At this election the voters vote to completely ban guns from their state. But wait! this new law would never hit the books because it conflicts with the U.S. constitution--it violates the 2nd amendment to the consitution.

The issue is no different with gay marriage. The voters voted on a law that blatently violates the 4th and 14th amendments to the constitution. It is that simple.



I don't follow the logic here. If I am unserstanding you correctly, you are saying that it is OK to deny rights to certain US citizens because they are gay? Congratulations, you just set the United States back 200 years. The 'separate but equal' doctrine was knocked down over 50 years ago. See Plessy v Fergeson, Brown v Board of education etc.

The way i see it, this is a legal issue, not a normative one. We are a nation of rights and laws, and in this case these rights and laws are not being applied to everyone equally.

ahhh Gio...you know I love ya more than my luggage lol...but like I have said...it doesn't effect me or you or anyone else

there are already gay couples...so marriage really wouldn't be any different

gays are looking for government and social affirmation...marriage as defined...is between a man and a women...period !...besides...do we really want to promote and sanction that behavior...I see people on here saying " it won't affect you "...but...it will affect our country...in time it will be legal...theres a reason that it's not legal...let's put it to a nationwide vote...it will lose 2 - 1...I think most people who are against it...are looking at the behavior...as not natural...not normal...I know gays hate to hear that...but...it's true...

now Gio....people in Texas can be married by Common Law Marriage. so it's not much different

Again, a normative argument without paying any attention to the legal issues at stake here.

I totally agree with this....I was hoping gay marriage would spread throughout the entire U.S. Loving someone is just plain loving someone and race and sex cannot make it wrong. Love is love period.

hey Curiz...how are ya girl??? decided to stray into politics today???

I can tell you flatly I don't give a flying crap about social affirmation. I never needed it and don't need it now.

The only thing affecting you is ignorance. What I hate to hear is IGNORANCE, I don't care what you think is normal or not, and frankly you aren't an expert, nor do you have a clue if it is normal or not. It's not to you, and that is fine with me, it's normal enough for me.

Those antiquated notions don't work on most of modern society anymore, Gio, probably why you miss the past so much.

How exactly does it affect you? Other than you not agreeing with the behavior?

lol...i guess so yellowrose...saw this topic and decided i had to say something...lol....

this is my serious side in here (ok...maybe not) but more serious than you've seen lol

Yellowrose, I think I actually got lost in the threads...you mean to tell me this isn't automechanics?... ......lol

really, I could have sworn it was your silly side?

hope not...I don't know squat about cars

i just know how to drive 'em...lol

Marriage was made by who? Who said it was a man and a woman? It was an excepted notion cause not too many knew of gays. We, even me thought that was the way it was. I never heard of gay til years after I grew up. It worried me then. I was ignorant. I was afraid it was such a moral issue. That is until I figured out the real moral issues in front of us. It was the straight people that turned me on to moral issues..or should I say the lack of morals.

MArriage used to be a "I take you and you take me" there...there it is. No blood tests, no license, no state telling them what to do. Straights don't understand that the states have complete control over them getting married in the U.S. They need them to be married by "law" to keep track of them. In my opinion gay people would be much better off not being married to escape the rules and regulations of the states and government interferance.

Oklahoma used to recognize common law marriage....no more...wonder why? To hard to keep tabs on them. They were losing money hand over fist to common law marriage.

I don't happen to agree with the behaviors of straight people viewing and buying porn. Marrying for convienience and short term pleasure. I can't stop you. I would if I thought it could make some kind of difference.. But, it isn't my business. So, I leave it alone and only think to myself how discusting it is.

What does it hurt a straight person if anyone any sex wants to marry? Guys...they don't want your women.



Kat

I don't really hate everything, i just like rant and rave about it. Its a good stress relief. You should hear me when I'm ranting about how crappy new music is.

well for what it's worth i'm here to tell ya that once it's legal it aint half as much fun