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Astrology
Extrasensory perception Witches with magical powers Aliens have landed on Earth The lost continent of Atlantis Dinsosuars and humans lived simultaneously Noah's flood Communication with the dead Ghosts Actually had a psychic experience dowsing Bermuda Triangle poltergeists biorythems creationism levitation psychokinesis UFOs remote viewing Kirlian auras emotions in plants monsters graphology crypto zoology clairvoyance pyramid power faith healing big foot psychic prospecting haunted houses perpetual motion machines antigravity locations astrological birth control All a hoax??? Or somewhat true? Explain your reasons if you have the time 
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Many of those reduce to just semantic issues.
This is a pet peeve of mine, though: "Kirlian auras" The subject matter is subject to a external electric field. The photographs do not give evidence to the fields existing on an everyday basis - they are IMPOSED at the time of the photograph. It is interesting, though, that different subjects (ie, a live plant vs a dead plant) respond in such different ways to those externally applied fields. It just bugs when legions upon legions of people insist to me that these are 'photographs' of real phenomena intrinsic to the subject matter on an ongoing basis, and worse, that they are 'proof' of auras. No! The 'aura' in the photo exists at the time of photograph, because of the applied electric field. (I'm not denying auras, I'm saying this is not proof.) |
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Dream Intuitions. The mind sorts your thoughts,feelings,fears and spits out logical solutions in form of entertaining stories. And yes I believe they can forcast potential future events based on your perspective views in life.
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Dream Intuitions. The mind sorts your thoughts,feelings,fears and spits out logical solutions in form of entertaining stories. And yes I believe they can forcast potential future events based on your perspective views in life. Now where they get there data is the question . . . isnt it? |
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Wow, there is a lot here!
I do not believe in astrology. This article by astronomer Phil Plait sums up my reasoning fairly well: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html As far as ghosts, UFOs, Poltergeist's etc.; I was very interested in these when I was younger but there is no solid evidence for them. The evidence that does exist does not meet the rigorous standards of science. Accordingly, it is difficult to believe. Certainly, I do think people truly believe that they are having some very strange things happen to them. Take UFO abductions for example. I think a lot of these cases can be explained away by the effects sleep paralysis. In addition to this, I think a lot of proponents to these sorts of things operate under the philosophy of "I want to believe." This never made sense to me. To me, this is saying that these people are only searching for evidence that would prove them correct, not vice versa. It take objectivity out of it, which for me, is very problematic. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 05/26/09 03:09 PM
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Astrology I see nothing but generalization used as prediction so I cannot see how this could be an objective way to understand anything. If you have an astrologer who can give me a specific prediction then we could test it. Currently I do not accept that astrology has any causal significance due to the above observations. Extrasensory perception To me this term is erroneous regardless of how you perceive something it would be through a sense, even if it was a sense we where previously unaware of it would still be a sense if you received information from it, hence 6th sense . . . so if we found one and could test it to ensure it was information coming from outside the 5 traditional senses then I would accept it, currently I have found nothing to indicate with a proper validation technique that this happens. I have had occurrences that I cannot explain. And again becuase of the way I categorize belief and acceptance, this is not accepted as a conclusion to the events that I have personally experienced do to a lack of validation. Witches with magical powers To me Magic is the word used to describe something we clearly do not understand. So yes I accept that magic exists. Aliens have landed on Earth I personally have seen no compelling evidence to accept this proposition as true. The lost continent of Atlantis Same as above. Dinosaurs and humans lived simultaneously The evidence (and there is plenty of it) contradicts this statement. Noah's flood Sure floods happen all over the place . . . a world wide flood, no, no less some guy got 2 of every critter on a boat . . . and what about insects . . no this is not compelling. Communication with the dead Cold reading is all I have seen, and unfortunately John Edwards and his ilk are not willing to participate in double blind studies. So again no compelling data here for me to conclude in favor of this proposition. Ghosts Same as aliens and Atlantis. Actually had a psychic experience Yes and no. I have had experiences that are extremely similar to what others might catagorise as psychic, I however was no scientifically minded at the time and did not validate the experiences. Essentially I do not currently accept this as true, but am open to new evidence. dowsing AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Bermuda Triangle Same as Atlantis aliens and Ghosts. poltergeists See above biorythems You will have to explain this one to me. creationism Myth only. levitation Same as ghosts, Atlantis, alien visitation and poltergeists psychokinesis Same UFOs Same remote viewing Same as psychics Kirlian auras Have to explain for me what this is just like biorythms emotions in plants Emotions no. monsters Yes, Osama Bin Laden graphology From what I have read this is rather overdebunked, but I have not looked into it myself. I have no conclusion. crypto zoology I am ignorant, please elucidate what this is . . . clairvoyance Same as psychics pyramid power I am Ignorant once again. faith healing Its been shown that faith or strong belief can have an impact on the bodies nature ability to heal . . . so its a matter of source. big foot No credible evidence. psychic prospecting Ignorant again, I guess I am not up to date on my paranormal, but I guess my response would again be the same as that for psychics haunted houses Same as Ghosts ect. perpetual motion machines Nope and we can mathematically show why this is not and cannot be true. Understanding the first law of Thermodynamics explains why. antigravity locations . . as in here on earth? No way. Even if I saw it I wouldn't believe it, it would take much more then that. astrological birth control Again you got me, what this?? All a hoax??? Or somewhat true? Explain your reasons if you have the time
First I want to explain my understanding of belief, and acceptance. Beliefs are not something that change. When we believe something its fundamental such as I believe I exist, I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow. Either its intrinsic to existence, or its something that happens regularly that can be validated easily . . . I believe the sun will rise tomorrow . . . it might not but experience shows me that I am on good ground believing it. When I say I accept something, its provisional. I accept that the theory of evolution is accurate to our current understanding. See my answers above in bold. |
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Dream Intuitions. The mind sorts your thoughts,feelings,fears and spits out logical solutions in form of entertaining stories. And yes I believe they can forcast potential future events based on your perspective views in life. Now where they get there data is the question . . . isnt it? Never said I had proof, just, that is something I believe in. |
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Dream Intuitions. The mind sorts your thoughts,feelings,fears and spits out logical solutions in form of entertaining stories. And yes I believe they can forcast potential future events based on your perspective views in life. Now where they get there data is the question . . . isnt it? Never said I had proof, just, that is something I believe in. 
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ok sounds good to me
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Astrology I see nothing but generalization used as prediction so I cannot see how this could be an objective way to understand anything. If you have an astrologer who can give me a specific prediction then we could test it. Currently I do not accept that astrology has any causal significance due to the above observations. Extrasensory perception To me this term is erroneous regardless of how you perceive something it would be through a sense, even if it was a sense we where previously unaware of it would still be a sense if you received information from it, hence 6th sense . . . so if we found one and could test it to ensure it was information coming from outside the 5 traditional senses then I would accept it, currently I have found nothing to indicate with a proper validation technique that this happens. I have had occurrences that I cannot explain. And again becuase of the way I categorize belief and acceptance, this is not accepted as a conclusion to the events that I have personally experienced do to a lack of validation. Witches with magical powers To me Magic is the word used to describe something we clearly do not understand. So yes I accept that magic exists. Aliens have landed on Earth I personally have seen no compelling evidence to accept this proposition as true. The lost continent of Atlantis Same as above. Dinosaurs and humans lived simultaneously The evidence (and there is plenty of it) contradicts this statement. Noah's flood Sure floods happen all over the place . . . a world wide flood, no, no less some guy got 2 of every critter on a boat . . . and what about insects . . no this is not compelling. Communication with the dead Cold reading is all I have seen, and unfortunately John Edwards and his ilk are not willing to participate in double blind studies. So again no compelling data here for me to conclude in favor of this proposition. Ghosts Same as aliens and Atlantis. Actually had a psychic experience Yes and no. I have had experiences that are extremely similar to what others might catagorise as psychic, I however was no scientifically minded at the time and did not validate the experiences. Essentially I do not currently accept this as true, but am open to new evidence. dowsing AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Bermuda Triangle Same as Atlantis aliens and Ghosts. poltergeists See above biorythems You will have to explain this one to me. creationism Myth only. levitation Same as ghosts, Atlantis, alien visitation and poltergeists psychokinesis Same UFOs Same remote viewing Same as psychics Kirlian auras Have to explain for me what this is just like biorythms emotions in plants Emotions no. monsters Yes, Osama Bin Laden graphology From what I have read this is rather overdebunked, but I have not looked into it myself. I have no conclusion. crypto zoology I am ignorant, please elucidate what this is . . . clairvoyance Same as psychics pyramid power I am Ignorant once again. faith healing Its been shown that faith or strong belief can have an impact on the bodies nature ability to heal . . . so its a matter of source. big foot No credible evidence. psychic prospecting Ignorant again, I guess I am not up to date on my paranormal, but I guess my response would again be the same as that for psychics haunted houses Same as Ghosts ect. perpetual motion machines Nope and we can mathematically show why this is not and cannot be true. Understanding the first law of Thermodynamics explains why. antigravity locations . . as in here on earth? No way. Even if I saw it I wouldn't believe it, it would take much more then that. astrological birth control Again you got me, what this?? All a hoax??? Or somewhat true? Explain your reasons if you have the time
First I want to explain my understanding of belief, and acceptance. Beliefs are not something that change. When we believe something its fundamental such as I believe I exist, I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow. Either its intrinsic to existence, or its something that happens regularly that can be validated easily . . . I believe the sun will rise tomorrow . . . it might not but experience shows me that I am on good ground believing it. When I say I accept something, its provisional. I accept that the theory of evolution is accurate to our current understanding. See my answers above in bold. I am actually reading a book by Michael Shermer called "Why People Believe Weird Things" Pseudo-Science, Superstitions, and other confusions of our time. He pretty much explains in his words and of many scientists that many of the things people believe are nothing more then superstitions to keep sanity. I still have a long ways to go but it is a interesting perspective to see why scientists come to the conclusions that refute everything that I have listed above. |
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Ohhh, that is on my list!!!!!
Schemer is a good skeptic, he listens, researches, and explains his results. He is a regular speaker for the Center for Inquiry. I have read many of his articles for Skeptical Inquirer. Let me know what you think about his book! Pretty PLS!!!??? |
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Ohhh, that is on my list!!!!! Schemer is a good skeptic, he listens, researches, and explains his results. He is a regular speaker for the Center for Inquiry. I have read many of his articles for Skeptical Inquirer. Let me know what you think about his book! Pretty PLS!!!??? I am enjoying this book because he has the same dry humor I have that I try very hard to keep to myself so I won't get bounced off from any of these threads. I like it because he keeps the book simple and understandeable, which really helps me out alot when it comes to terms I never heard before. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 05/26/09 04:28 PM
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Ohhh, that is on my list!!!!! Schemer is a good skeptic, he listens, researches, and explains his results. He is a regular speaker for the Center for Inquiry. I have read many of his articles for Skeptical Inquirer. Let me know what you think about his book! Pretty PLS!!!??? I am enjoying this book because he has the same dry humor I have that I try very hard to keep to myself so I won't get bounced off from any of these threads. I like it because he keeps the book simple and understandeable, which really helps me out alot when it comes to terms I never heard before. |
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Edited by
smiless
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Tue 05/26/09 04:43 PM
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Ohhh, that is on my list!!!!! Schemer is a good skeptic, he listens, researches, and explains his results. He is a regular speaker for the Center for Inquiry. I have read many of his articles for Skeptical Inquirer. Let me know what you think about his book! Pretty PLS!!!??? I am enjoying this book because he has the same dry humor I have that I try very hard to keep to myself so I won't get bounced off from any of these threads. I like it because he keeps the book simple and understandeable, which really helps me out alot when it comes to terms I never heard before. The back of the book reads Even though most of us think of the Salem Witch Trials as an unfortunate example of Dark Age superstition, some people still think witches live next door especially if they dress, talk, or act differentely from everyone else in the area. While most of us easily recognize the fallacy of this thinking in today's mulitcultural America, many of us cling to our own irrational ideas such as: - that people can read the minds and thoughts of others (reason why I started a thread about mind reading. lol) - that dead people can communicate with the living - that invisible forces control our lives Now Michael Shermer delivers a healthy does of skepticism as he confronts ghosts, creationism, past life regression, alien abduction and more. Join him as he assesses the roles of wish fulfillment, man's eternal search for meaning, potentially dangerous political agendas, and the desire for self aggrandizement to help us understand how and why so many "rational" people believe weird things. So yes this is a fun book to read and very educational for those who are not so easily convinced of the supernatural. For others this would be a slap in the face and probably thrown away the first 3 chapters read. 
http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/0716733870 |
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All of these topics are interesting. I think it might have been a little better to handle them in small groups or even one at a time so the content doesn't get too diluted.
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All of these topics are interesting. I think it might have been a little better to handle them in small groups or even one at a time so the content doesn't get too diluted. There is still hope and a good suggestion Metalwing. We can start with the first one if you like Astrology and work down the list. I am no expert in any of these subjects, but researching on them wouldn't hurt. I am sure there are some fascinating stories to go with each subject and who knows maybe something will be discovered that we have never known before. |
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Wow - that is a long list of long-lived mythologies.
Sounds like an interesting book too Smiless, I added it to my list of "stuff to read." After two year I finally earned enough points from using my debit card to purchase 4 of the books from my list. The first one I'm reading is Atlas Shrugged. I have to complete reading it by the end of August so I can write, and submit, an essay for a scholarship. Hey stop laughing - scholarships are not myths, just REALLY hard to attain.
Anyway - I really just wanted to say, I always wanted to have a past life regression done. It may sound weird, but I always wondered what kind of creative history my mind might come up with. Of course that was before I understood how hypnosis actually works. At this point I think I would just look at the person trying to regress me and say "nope, sorry - it's just not working."
Some things are just more fun, under the influence of ignorance. cheers everyone
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Tue 05/26/09 06:21 PM
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Astrology I find it interesting but haven't seen proof
Extrasensory perception yes have experienced it Witches with magical powers Haven't seen any proof but like the ideals of wiccanism at some levels Aliens have landed on Earth I don't know, don't believe anyone truly can. But if they had the technology to get here through space chances are we would not even know they were here. The lost continent of Atlantis Lost continents are fact on this changing planet, I just think it is a place of history we don't know Dinsosuars and humans lived simultaneously NOPE Noah's flood Never happened Communication with the dead Would be great, wouldn't it?? But no proof Ghosts There is something going on with this concept, have felt things and stuff Actually had a psychic experience Yes dowsing Have seen this work for water Bermuda Triangle Well it does exist but what is it is the question. poltergeists are actually the telekinetic power of a troubled teenager in the home. Telekinetics could be a possiblity. biorythems Don't know anything about it. creationism Myths and stories all rolled together to mislead the masses for the purpose of control. levitation Don't know psychokinesis Don't know UFOs Don't know remote viewing Don't know what it is Kirlian auras Don't know what it is emotions in plants not emotions but life energy, yes. monsters Nope only the ugly side of humanity graphology Don't know about this crypto zoology Yes of course there are animals we don't know about on this planet clairvoyance Maybe pyramid power Don't know faith healing It is not a power outside of the body of the believer big foot Possible psychic prospecting Not sure haunted houses perpetual motion machines Don't know antigravity locations Have never heard of it. astrological birth control HUH? All a hoax??? Or somewhat true? Explain your reasons if you have the time |
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You've got to be kidding. This is all for school dropouts. None of it makes any sense.
Except, we simply do not have any evidence that Aliens were or were not on earth, and that humans did coexist with dinosaurs or did not. You should have included this question: Few Arabs organized 911, and successfully executed the 75% of their plans. At the same time a nation with countless interceptors and military and bureaucratic personnel that takes millions to account for, could not take down a single highjacked plane. You believe it? 
I think you must believe in ghosts, to be able to trust the Bush story. |
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