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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Mon 04/27/09 02:43 PM
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 The DC gun ban is a great example of someone challenging unconstitutional right wing fascism.The right wing elites look down their noses at the common man and try to dictate what is right and wrong according to their shallow view of the evil world.
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Edited by
DaveyB
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Mon 04/27/09 02:47 PM
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I don't want the governments money to help fight hate crimes against the Church! That is what you said, but I'll ignore that for the moment. I want to protect our freedom of speech, including the Christians and everyone else's freedom of speech! Our equal rights! Protection of the very foundation upon which our great nation was founded! That's all. Please try reading the bill then. There is nothing, zero, zilch, zip, nada, nothing in that bill that will limit your free speech rights. Now you want to fight the existing hate crime laws that's another matter and I wouldn't be arguing that so much. I think there are reasons for them and most churches were quite in favor of them when they worked to get themselves added to the list of hate crimes victims. But that's a whole different discussion and has little to do with the bill you're talking about. |
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It appears the OP has never actually read the bill herself but only an inaccurate second hand opinion about it. I wonder if the person who wrote the article even read the bill. The purpose of the bill is provide money and support to local law enforcement agencies who lack money or resources to prosecute hate crimes already on the books. It adds no legislation and takes no rights away. It is funding bill.
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I don't want the governments money to help fight hate crimes against the Church! That is what you said, but I'll ignore that for the moment. I want to protect our freedom of speech, including the Christians and everyone else's freedom of speech! Our equal rights! Protection of the very foundation upon which our great nation was founded! That's all. Please try reading the bill then. There is nothing, zero, zilch, zip, nada, nothing in that bill that will limit your free speech rights. Now you want to fight the existing hate crime laws that's another matter and I wouldn't be arguing that so much. I think there are reasons for them and most churches were quite in favor of them when they worked to get themselves added to the list of hate crimes victims. But that's a whole different discussion and has little to do with the bill you're talking about.  it's truly amazing how often people turn opinion in to facts in their mind.
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the bill was provided in here by 2 people so far. I agree with Thomas about what the bill says...oh and davey too lol
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the bill was provided in here by 2 people so far. I agree with Thomas about what the bill says...oh and davey too lol Thanks, and nice job finding a text version of the bill. I hate PDF myself but it was the only one I could find quickly. |
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the bill was provided in here by 2 people so far. I agree with Thomas about what the bill says...oh and davey too lol Thanks, and nice job finding a text version of the bill. I hate PDF myself but it was the only one I could find quickly. i'm good that way 
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hah - gotta love crazy people =o)
heck - if i said anything bad about crazy people they'd think this bill will be there to protect them 
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hah - gotta love crazy people =o) heck - if i said anything bad about crazy people they'd think this bill will be there to protect them
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hah - gotta love crazy people =o) heck - if i said anything bad about crazy people they'd think this bill will be there to protect them
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Marking this to read later.
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maybe just maybe mind you
those that think this bill should pass should watch the original 12 angry men (movie in black and white) """"you don't really mean you will kill me do you"""" just a thought but hey oooooooppppppppppsssss thoughts could be against the law now where does it stop?????????????????????????????/// but hey what do i know |
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Focus on the Family's Love Won Out ministry exhorts and equips the church to respond in a Christ-like way [If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.] to the issue of homosexuality. And to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions, we offer the Gospel hope[Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.] that these desires can be overcome. |
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This "Bill" is a "special rights and circumstances" bill.
If it passes, we all lose. It is a ban on 1st amendment rights. EQUAL RIGHTS work for all! Why let this get out of hand and impose even further on the few rights we do still have? NO SPECIAL RIGHTS! People legislate to be "equal", I support that, defend that, no person, group, or class of people is special as a given! I am not against anyones right to choice, on any matter, or sexual orientation. Live and let live. Equal is fair, "special" is not! |
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Focus on the Family's Love Won Out ministry exhorts and equips the church to respond in a Christ-like way [If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.] to the issue of homosexuality. And to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions, we offer the Gospel hope[Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.] that these desires can be overcome. (both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death) so much for tho shall not kill hypocrisy at its best and it make those that believe such things as bad as those that wage a holy war on the infidels (thus using your argument 911 wtc attack was justified) and law is not to be legislated by religion (to pass a law for religious reason is to pass a law establishing that religion which is against the constitution thus an act of treason) |
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This "Bill" is a "special rights and circumstances" bill. If it passes, we all lose. It is a ban on 1st amendment rights. EQUAL RIGHTS work for all! Why let this get out of hand and impose even further on the few rights we do still have? NO SPECIAL RIGHTS! People legislate to be "equal", I support that, defend that, no person, group, or class of people is special as a given! I am not against anyones right to choice, on any matter, or sexual orientation. Live and let live. Equal is fair, "special" is not! No disrespect intended but did you read it? I did and can't find anything that could remotely be construed to do any of that. Please direct me to where it says this. |
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Didn't you get the memo?
Hate, prejudice, murder, assault, judging and speaking for God, discrimination and more are all perfectly fine...if you claim to be a "Christian" |
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why is it needed
what crime is it protecting people from assault that is already illegal murder again already illegal slander yet again already illegal why pass additional laws that piggyback other laws already on the books just give out the max penalty for the crime that is broken |
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It is an additional tool for a prosecutor to use.
Rape is illegal right? So, why have additional laws about rape? Special circumstances? Under aged victim? Vaginal or anal? Rape with an object? So...are you going to argue that one law making rape illegal is enough? Some peoples views are so simplistic and limited I really wonder how they get through the day...oh wait..I know...they let other people tell them what to think haha |
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Edited by
boo2u
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Mon 04/27/09 04:08 PM
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Focus on the Family's Love Won Out ministry exhorts and equips the church to respond in a Christ-like way [If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.] to the issue of homosexuality. And to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions, we offer the Gospel hope[Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.] that these desires can be overcome. It would appear that 'some' christians want to retain the right to use certain language to define homosexuals the way they always have, they fear any law that would water down the thier biblical interpetations in any way. Can you imagine a law that would fine you for calling homosexuals detestable? Look to me it's simple, what goes around comes around, you can not spit on one segment of society for centuries and not have it come back at you one day. Was that too harsh? |
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