When I read this it just reminds me of how similar it is to the religious claims that if prayer doesn't work it's only because the person either wasn't sincere enough, or they didn't have enough faith.

These kind of claims are easy to make, but as I've always pointed out, where's the evidence that these things have every truly worked for anyone?

In fact, let's talk about Jesus. Only because you have mentioned him yourself as having taught philosophies that seem to be saying the same things as the "Law of Attraction"

However, if you're going to view Jesus as someone who was teaching the "Law of Attraction" or the "Power of Intent and Belief" then you've got a major problem!

Jesus got himself nailed to a pole!

Now if Jesus was supposed to be a Master of the "Law of Attraction" it doesn't appear to have panned out for him. He was still in his 30's when he got himself nailed to a pole.

Unless of course you believe that was his INTENT.

But if the Law of Attraction is so POWEWFUL, then why not use it to gain fame and glory and to PRODUCTIVE things with it?

Personally I find it hard to believe that Jesus intended to get himself nailed to a pole, unless of course you believe the whole sacrifical lamb thing with the God of Abraham having purposefully sent Jesus to be nailed to the pole to pay for the sins of man.

But if you go that route then the idea that we create our own reality flies out the window and instead we need to be groveling on our knees begging for mercy from the jealous male-chauvinist heathen-hating Godhead of wrath!

So if Jesus was teaching the Law of Attraction it appears to have failed him horribly as he got himself nailed to a pole and obviously had no ability to thwart that fate using the Law of Attraction. In fact, by your own description of the law you would need to concede that he did indeed draw that fate to himself.

Yet you also often to use him as an example of someone who TAUGHT these principles?

There seems to be a problem here. If Jesus knew of the Law of Attraction it most certainly didn't appear to be of much use to him. He died a horrible death at the young age of 30.

In comparison I guess I've been far more masterful with the Law of Attraction since I'm twice that age and have never attracted anything anywhere near as gruesome to myself.

So if Jesus was a Master of the Law of Attraction, then maybe becoming a Master of the Law is not a good idea?

Maybe like Michael suggested, remaining naïve would be a far better approach to it!

Any attempt to learn how to use it could ulimately get you nailed to a pole (or some similarly horrible fate).

Jesus would be a terrible example of a teacher of the "Law of Attraction" because of the fate that he ultimately attracted!

The only way to try to make anything positive out of that situation is to invoke the hateful God of wrath who lusts for and is appeased by blood sacrifices. (If you can even call that positive? )

James that above post is a bunch of nonsense.

First, I am not convinced that Jesus is anything more than a fictional character and I did not say that he was a "master of the law of attraction."

I only mentioned that these creative techniques were mentioned in the Bible. I'm sure they are mentioned in other scripture too.



"Sincerity" is not the same thing as "intention."

Intention is so important it comes into question in a court of law when someone kills another person. If the court can prove or has evidence of intent, the person is tried for first degree murder rather than manslaughter. Big difference.

Intention is a the plan to act. If you are wishing for something but you have no plan to act to get it, you have no intention. Without intention, nothing moves forward.

Get a grip James, and put your religious baggage away. Live in the current moment and forgive the unknowing Christians who force fed you their doctrine all your life. Get over it.

These laws of creation are older than the world. They are mentioned in many ancient writings. They are called "the secret teachings" because even those who have read about them do not understand them or do not see how they could possibly be true. For those that do not have the eyes to see... they will not see.




Exactly!! Why not do that???

Now, how do you think some of these famous people got famous? How do you think they did it? What makes them extra special?

They may have never even heard of the "Law of Attraction" but I assure you they do use these very same techniques and they do stay focused on what they want, and they do have INTENTIONS. They have learned, like the magician in the Tarot has learned, how to use what they have to get what they want. They know what they want and they go after it.

Where so many people get upset is that they think I am talking about something mysterious and magick that nobody uses or knows about. I'm not.

People like you think I am preaching magick or some religion. I'm not. This is all "technology of mind." It is technology of creation. It is the creative techniques which use thought and imagination to create and manifest this thought universe. It is not simply the "power of mind over matter" or "the power of the will" or the power of positive thinking alone. It is the entire process from beginning to end that is supported by the program or laws that hold this universe together.

I just peeked at a forum that is discussing "the law of Attraction" and I find the same arguments in different flavors everywhere. I think there will be people who argue this point at different levels through out the entire population.

People ask, "If it were true, why don't we live in a perfect world?"

A: Because people don't think perfect or pure thoughts.

People ask, "If it were true, why not use the power to be rich and famous?"

A: Some people do and have done that. But if you don't know all that is involved and if you don't know that your thoughts are the "asking" then you are going to create things you do not want.

People ask: What if two people want the same thing? Who wins?

A: What they want is competition, that is why they are competing. They both want to win. The one who puts forth the most effort,action and belief will win.

Thoughts change behaviors, behaviors allow one to alter the landscape of reality.

No law needed, its common sense.

Thoughts themselves DO NOT alter the landscape of reality, only the mental image of reality.

This has actually been tested, its sad that people still think they can think there way into a new life, it takes action.

Yes yes yes. It takes ACTION. Action takes intention to act. Intention to act takes thought!

Common sense? Okay yeh I guess you can call it that.

But there are laws that hold this universe/reality together. Otherwise we would not exist.

The landscape of "reality" in your dreams is altered by ... your mind. You will say they are "your memories."

I say that matter is memory.....stored.

Its not a law, its just reality. To effect things you have to interact with them.

Its so simple its useless.

Wish in one hand . . . .

Evidently you do not know Your Creator and unfortunately for you , you probably never will. How sad. Instead of taking scripture that you realy dont understand , out of context and drawing your own deluded conclusion, I would suggest you and your leader JB pray for understanding and wisdom that you lack concerning the meaning of the true God.
You would only be able to do this if you earnestly yearn for truth about who this Almighty God is and why has He placed these judgements on people. Try it and stop judging Him. In the end you will be judged by the same One your judging and Woe be unto you.

Sunshine you have wandered into the Science and Philosophy forum by mistake. You might want to go back to the religion forum if you want to preach or discuss your religious beliefs. We won't bother you in there, honest.

Well I won't anyway. I can't speak for James.

Oh give me a break.

Christians are so big on reading the Bible that it's pathetic. And now you're trying to claim that I shouldn't read the Bible because I misunderstand it.

What a joke.

It's also not at all about judging any God. It's just the very SIMPLE observation that the hypocrites who wrote the Bible clearly weren't speaking for any God.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

As far as I'm concerned no God could possibly be as ignorant as the biblical doctrine demands. And the biblical doctrine is all there is!

You say, "Pray for understanding and wisdom".

Do you honestly think I haven't done that?

I most certainly have, and I believe that I was indeed granted that very thing. I now understand that the Bible was written by male chauvinist bigots in an attempt to lay a guilt trip on people and demand that they worship a RELIGION! A religion that was RUN by MEN who had AGENDAS!

Just look at the history of the religion. If you can't see how ungodly it's been you've got to be blind.

Even today Christians use Jesus as and excuse to run a bigoty club.

It's disgusting. I'm absolutely certain that Jesus (if indeed he even existed as a real person) would never condone the religion that has stolen his namesake. It's all about bigotry and judgement, the very things that Jesus himself denounced.

In fact Jesus even disagreed with the teachings of the Old Testament. You talk about understanding the Bible, if you read the Bible you'll clearly see that Jesus did not even condone the things that the God of Abraham had commanded people to do.

I'm not going to go into the details because this isn't the religion forum. But it's perfectly clear even by the biblical doctrine itself that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. He didn't even agree with that God!





Look who's talking!

At least I give Jesus the consideration of being a mortal man. You won't even go that far.



Well, my point is that it didn't seem to do those people any good anyway.




So the "Law of Attraction" is now reduced to knowing what you want and going after it?

Alexander the Great intended to rape and pillage and conquer. And he did it. So I guess he was using the Law of Attraction.

So anyone who succeeds at anything is now proof that the Law of Attraction must me in effect?

Given pure mathematical probabilites SOME PEOPLE are going to succeed at what they try!

Adolph Hitler had the INTENT to conquer the world. But he failed!

So what are you going to say to that? Other people had MORE INTENT to stop him?

Now we're right back at square one where there is no such thing as any Law of Attraction, but instead everything is just reduced to the "Law of Competition!"

Based on your original premise that we create our own realities Hitler should have been able to create his own reality of becoming the ruler of the WORLD.

Clearly you've got some details to work out before you can convince me of this so-called "Law of Attraction"

This whole topic is getting super silly.

We'll have to come up with a new philosophy and call it Supersilly Theory.

Your a hater Abra.

May I ask who it is that I hate?

I believe that the God of Abraham is a totally fabricated myth.

I imagine you believe the same thing about Zeus.

Does that make you a Zeus hater?

Speaking of hate, have you ever read Revelations?

According to John's vision Jesus HATES a lot of people.

In fact, even in the gospels Matthew has Jesus sitting around giving sermons where all he does is whine about how hypocritical the pharisees are.

Jesus just sits there and whines and complains over and over again verse after verse:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

And GUESS WHAT?

He'd probably have precisely the SAME THINGS to say about the modern CHRISTIANS!

And that's NO JOKE!

They claim to worship Jesus whilst condemning same-gender lovers!

They claim to worship Jesus whilst condeming non-believers!

They claim to worship Jesus whilst praising bigotry and hate in the name of Jesus Christ the Almighty!

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

I can just hear him complaining already.

According to John in revelations Jesus is the hater.

And I'm just passing along the information given in the doctrine!

Of course, the message that Jesus was supposedly dictating to John was intended for the Seven Churches. So it appears that it was the members of these churches that Jesus hates.

Thank goodness he wasn't speaking to us huh?

We know that Jesus loves us. Right?

For the Bible tells us so. Somewhere amongst all the hate.

It's in there. It must be! Someone wrote a song about it.

Jesus loves me this I know
for the Bible tells me so!

Obviously whoever wrote that song clearly wasn't a member of one of the seven churches.

And hey, I personally love Jesus. I think of him as my brother.

It's the teachings of the ficticious God of Abraham I denounce.

But then so did Jesus!

I'm just agreeing with Jesus. The things that the God of Abraham taught were nasty and we need to cast them asunder and love each other instead of spreading hate in the name of God. Just like Jesus taught!

That was Jesus' message as far as I can see.

And he was crucified for it. That's truly sad.

You must be of your father the devil because your so much like him.

you both hate the One who created you.

you both have the audacity to quote scripture and pervert scripture to make your point.

you both teach and preach your own gospel.

deception is found in both of you. you both are proud blasphemers and lovers of lies.

you both curse the Almighty.

there is a special place prepared for you both.

you will be much happier there since you will be in your natural habitat ,your homeland. and never have to hear about the Creator again. I bet you'd like that.

Sunshine you are not allowed to post personal attacks on these forums. I will report you.


She has been reported. I don't mind debating the law of attraction, but this is not the religious forum for posting hell fire condemnations of others who have different views.

You didn't need to do that Jeannie!

She's not bothering anyone.

It was just an opinion.

I can't believe you reported her.

You're a meanie.

Yep.
She was not on topic and she was making personal attacks. Take it to the religion forum if you want to continue your discussion with her. I was polite to her. But just because I don't believe the same as she does she starts personal condemnations based on her religious faith.

But that's the entire basis of the faith.

It's all based on the idea that God will cast your enemies into a hell fire!

This is what a lot of people find so attractive about the religion. It gives them an excuse to condemn others in the name of God.

That's the whole thrill behind it.

Don't everyone forget that the Bible was rewritten over and over again by man for their own use. I by far do not discredit all of the teaching but there are some. Truth is truth regardless of what language it is spoken and those stand out light a beacon.