Those who claim the government is the enemy are deluding themselves in this country. Our government is what we the people create. Sometimes the right is more represented and sometimes the left. It seems to only be a "military action necessary" when the left is more represented or the right feels threatened by the majority in office.

I did not hear any of the lefties claiming they needed to secede when Bush was in office and they hated him so what can POSSIBLY be the REAL cause of this uprising?

I think people are tired of the government in general for a long time. sure we can elect people but that doesn't mean they can't change when in office

Oppressive Governing be da' reason.

Only the lunatic fringe is going after this. I can tell you Colorado is not going with this movement.

History should actually show you the underlying problem, about the things that we have never really addressed that cause these issues to come up in the first place. We simply do not learn from history, instead we compare and repeat the same mistakes because we do not recognize the core issues. We won't change anytime soon so not sense in knocking myself out.

Going back out door while it's still nice out.

I'm only speaking for me....no one else.

And I would say that the government is the problem if I had not heard so many who complain about the system but do not participate in the process we have available to bring change which is participation in the government, voting, etc....

Most who complain constantly do not even vote. That shows their motives are not for the better good of all. Whatever the motive is, it is malevolent.

You refer to opposing oppression as lunacy. For now, you are free to sound your opinion.

Even after our freedom of speech is abolished, there will be many of us, especially, we, "lunatic" ,Veterans who will continue to fight to have that right reinstated.

You do not fight for me if you fight for secession. You fight for a personal agenda. As for veterans their services to this country will always be honored by me, no question. Outside of the US military there is more to being participatory in the process available than militant, selfish disregard for others well being type actions or words that put others in danger.

Having your political party lose an election is NOT oppression. Its democracy.

I can think of some reasons to not vote (not liking any of them) but alot of people do vote. those that are just to lazy and want to whine about it without even trying....I have issue with

That is why they have the write in section on the ballots. There are no excuses for not participating in the process.

If you want to see the people speak and be heard look at Obama getting in office. He has a lot of opposition. But the people would not stand for another republican in office and they were heard and the government now reflects their wishes.

Our government is designed to respond to the people. It works when all citizens use the methods at their disposal to change the government. It shows that it works with all the Dems in office now. America was tired to death of Republicans.

our government may be designed that way but look at history and things now as well.

What do you mean? It works. The majority in this country is represented in the government. The lunatic fringe, which I do not mean as insult, I am referring to the rock song, will always be there and they will always be the minority and that means they will not get their way. This is probably not a bad thing because the fringe is usually not mainstream for very valid reasons. They have questionable motives, agendas, etc.... Now if the fringe has a valid point with good motives and their agenda goes along with the majority of the populace, they will move from the fringe and become mainstream.

It is fluid and changes all the time, just like humans do and should do.

Right...

But being tired of this last administration trampling on our liberties may have left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. We turn to this administration, and we see the same oppressive stances as the previous.

This is oppression. Some are just right wingers who are mad about losing control. But many, honestly want to see our freedoms come back, and for our government's powers to be limited by laws that protect our freedoms.

This is something we haven't seen in a long time. In fact, i haven't seen it at all in my lifetime.

The system is very easy to manipulate. In fact, every time our constitution changes, it becomes much easier... This is why we must assume it is being manipulated if nothing changes but the color (Red/Blue) of the party that runs things.

CFR - controls the media

Central Bank - A private corporation, controls our money supply

Things like the "patriot act" could make it much easier to control anyone working for these organizations to come out with much of any evidence.

Things like the Fairness doctrine also helps to control the media.

Gun Control makes it so that if it gets too bad, there is NOTHING us law abiding citizens can do...


How can you ASSUME the system works? You know how many people faithfully followed Hitler? I bet under the circumstances, even today, someone like that could easily come in and win the hearts andminds of the people without much effort. All it takes is censorship, propoganda, and control.

the people can only change, by changing itself???

if one see hitler as "evil", as wielding power run amock, then it is only because he had TOTAL AGREEMENT???

lack of agreement had been allowed by the people to be deemed as "unpatriotic", without any disent when such was spread forth as most good belief???

each human has the capacity to be a demon and an angel, and when in LARGE POWER, a demon if it see not ALL other's as angel's, lol???

the right wish for the power, the left wish for the power, and the fight of the two, against each other for power, is the only thing that has kept the peoples free???

the very saying, there is no true honor amoung thieves, keep the thieve's of power failing, which indeed, is a good thing, and why all freedom of speech FOR THE PEOPLE, our wise forefather's knew was wisdom indeed???

what that wish for power, for the love of having power, or thinking itself alone has the remedy for all, is most fit and will use power for the good of all???

if something hear not the words of BOTH SIDES, then does it not deem but ONE way as the only way, which is a oppressive mentality, that given time will oppress many, if it goes unchecked without question???

there is no state in this union that will ever leave the union, but it may use such as leverage to keep the greater power from becoming oppressive, which is good for all, as even the notion itself is not of soltuon, but just of more divide, which be only seeing something else as the cause, and self state as the good alone???

such will not be allowed, as if two things have "less than most wisdom", seeing the other as the greatest in error, the more powerful will always win, and there is no mistaking where the greatest power lie???

yea, that one is more a statement of fact, but one that will not fail, garaunteed???

such things as these, always bring the powers to the table, having to take and make true assessment of all that such really entail, and when true logistic's shine their face in the face of but self power wishes and wants, greater meaning and humbling always occur???

there is no greater strength a people have against tyranny, which is but power without accountability to the people, than to stick together, not allowing left and right to seperate the people itself, as this is good for the power to fight the power of each other, and keep a balance and freedom, but for the people, it weaken any strength unto no power at all???

disolving a left and right by power itself is what hitler did???

but if a people disolve left and right amoungst themselves, the wisdom and insight this give show how to wield the maximum use of all that itself has???

wisdom need not one step toward any act of agression, which is what ultimate power count on in many cases, and prove itself is needed,a nd facilitate many things down thru histroy which enslaved nations and people's???

all tyrannical history used the agreesion and guilt of people's to promote it's plan of maintaining power???

when it comes to power, loyalty demanded is always a sign of dictatorhsip in the forming???

when it comes to power, TRUST DEMANDED, is always a sign of dictatorship being formed???

individual's may love the thought of demanding trust from other's, or demanding loyalty from other's individually, so may not redily recognize the serious and devasting impacts of such when perpetrated within large power???

when all things are already formed into concrete as law, it is most hard to change them if one is not the law itself???

peace man

people didn't think it worked with the last several president's so why should it work now?

i agree drivin

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/exhibits/annexation/part5/question11.html

for the sake of arguement...i looked this up. if someone has something different please let me know

That's an easy explanation. There are plenty of people who figured the system failed us with G.W. Out of those there are only a few who think the system worked THIS time. Those are the people who will accept anything the democratic party does, and nothing the republican party does, without thought, and regardless of the action or plan. We call that being biased.



People are scared of being responsible. I would prefer I had the ultimate power over what happens in my life. If someone broke into my house i would like to be able to draw a weapon out of where ever it was stashed, and make sure no harm comes to myself or my family. You call 911, there is plenty of time for things to go wrong, and/or people to panic.

Misinformation is a problem. I would rather decide, through research, which source is more accurate and why.

I would rather let a 10 crimminals go free than imprison 5 innocent people.

Not everyone thinks like me though. Increasingly people are becoming more and more dependent and less responsible. Funny how those two go hand in hand...