Topic: Pros and cons of Socialized Health Care
Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 01:18 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 01:20 PM

not all meds come in generic form...and my sister can tell them difference between them by the reaction she gets


The reaction is in her head, it's gotta be psychosomatic. There is none, i mean, NO difference between generics and brand names. Unless the dosages are different. In which case you could adjust accordingly. Or, if they don't have the generic form, so they mack a switch to something similar instead of the generic name of the same med.

If you look at a bottle of Prozac you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine (that's the name of the drug or chemical used).

If you get of bottle of fluoxetine you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine. There is no difference.

The only difference you may find is after the experiation date on the medication. Name brand meds, like name brand breads, may be just a little fresher, which would give them a slightly longer shelf life.

When you go to a factory that produces this stuff you will see the machine bottling the Bayer will stop at about 11 am. Then they push a button to switch to equate asprin, and push the go button for the next to hours. Literally, the same machines even make the generic meds.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 04/06/09 01:20 PM
no it's not. i don't know if it could be the coating or what exactly it is. but even if she could (she does take generic aspirin and some things) some of her meds don't come generic anyway

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 04/06/09 01:27 PM
it could have just been the meds didn't react well...maybe has nothing to do with generic...i don't know with her. her body reacts way different than normal to many things

franshade's photo
Mon 04/06/09 01:34 PM


not all meds come in generic form...and my sister can tell them difference between them by the reaction she gets


The reaction is in her head, it's gotta be psychosomatic. There is none, i mean, NO difference between generics and brand names. Unless the dosages are different. In which case you could adjust accordingly. Or, if they don't have the generic form, so they mack a switch to something similar instead of the generic name of the same med.

If you look at a bottle of Prozac you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine (that's the name of the drug or chemical used).

If you get of bottle of fluoxetine you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine. There is no difference.

The only difference you may find is after the experiation date on the medication. Name brand meds, like name brand breads, may be just a little fresher, which would give them a slightly longer shelf life.

When you go to a factory that produces this stuff you will see the machine bottling the Bayer will stop at about 11 am. Then they push a button to switch to equate asprin, and push the go button for the next to hours. Literally, the same machines even make the generic meds.


Drivin - I have heard different from pharmacists to doctors alike.

Generic drugs look different from brand-name drugs. This is because trademark laws do not allow generics to look exactly like brand-name drugs. Colors, flavors, and other inactive ingredients may be different. These differences may cause slightly different effects. Some brand-name drugs may be more easily absorbed by the body. Brand-name drugs may cause fewer or weaker side effects.




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Mon 04/06/09 01:40 PM
I really don't care if it's public, private or a combination of the two. There ought to be a system where everyone is covered. I have minimal coverage which I pay for myself because my employer does not offer it and a really good policy is just not affordable. If something serious ever happens to me, I will be in serious financial trouble. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat.

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Mon 04/06/09 03:21 PM
Isn't malpractice insurance one of the biggest expenses in todays medicine? If that would go away with public healthcare then I would be all for it.

I had a pain in my side when I was 28. I went to the doctor and he took an exray, told me I had a cracked rib and it would heal by itself. Total cost of the office visit was maybe $50. Last year a doctor wanted me to get chest exrays. I had to go to a hospital for the exrays and someone 200 miles away had to read them and get back to the doctor. Two office visits, exrays and reading them cost well over $360. For 2 exrays?

Something needs done and if the government wants to try, then I'm all for it.

Although I don't think I will ever go back to a doctor unless they take me on a stretcher. I'd rather live a short comfortable life than long one paying off stupid medical bills.

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Mon 04/06/09 04:29 PM

I really don't care if it's public, private or a combination of the two. There ought to be a system where everyone is covered. I have minimal coverage which I pay for myself because my employer does not offer it and a really good policy is just not affordable. If something serious ever happens to me, I will be in serious financial trouble. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat.


You won't be just in serious financial trouble, you will also find that your disease may not even be covered and have to endure a back and forth with your insurance company and the doctors that can't do a damn thing with out the the insurance companies permission. That to me is what is really sick. And heaven forbid you have a preexisting condition you didn't know about.. Heck you many need a lawyer just to get any care at all and if you can't afford to fight for that, well die already, your taking up too much space. ill


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Mon 04/06/09 04:33 PM
Edited by boo2u on Mon 04/06/09 04:34 PM

Isn't malpractice insurance one of the biggest expenses in todays medicine? If that would go away with public healthcare then I would be all for it.

I had a pain in my side when I was 28. I went to the doctor and he took an exray, told me I had a cracked rib and it would heal by itself. Total cost of the office visit was maybe $50. Last year a doctor wanted me to get chest exrays. I had to go to a hospital for the exrays and someone 200 miles away had to read them and get back to the doctor. Two office visits, exrays and reading them cost well over $360. For 2 exrays?

Something needs done and if the government wants to try, then I'm all for it.

Although I don't think I will ever go back to a doctor unless they take me on a stretcher. I'd rather live a short comfortable life than long one paying off stupid medical bills.


I'm with you, I will take a shorter comfortable life, than having to deal with doctors that treat you like a number even with insurance.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:06 PM



not all meds come in generic form...and my sister can tell them difference between them by the reaction she gets


The reaction is in her head, it's gotta be psychosomatic. There is none, i mean, NO difference between generics and brand names. Unless the dosages are different. In which case you could adjust accordingly. Or, if they don't have the generic form, so they mack a switch to something similar instead of the generic name of the same med.

If you look at a bottle of Prozac you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine (that's the name of the drug or chemical used).

If you get of bottle of fluoxetine you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine. There is no difference.

The only difference you may find is after the experiation date on the medication. Name brand meds, like name brand breads, may be just a little fresher, which would give them a slightly longer shelf life.

When you go to a factory that produces this stuff you will see the machine bottling the Bayer will stop at about 11 am. Then they push a button to switch to equate asprin, and push the go button for the next to hours. Literally, the same machines even make the generic meds.


Drivin - I have heard different from pharmacists to doctors alike.

Generic drugs look different from brand-name drugs. This is because trademark laws do not allow generics to look exactly like brand-name drugs. Colors, flavors, and other inactive ingredients may be different. These differences may cause slightly different effects. Some brand-name drugs may be more easily absorbed by the body. Brand-name drugs may cause fewer or weaker side effects.






I am studying to become a doctor. My best friend is a pharmacist. Half of my friends are nurses. I Speak to my primary care physician at the VA often as well (Especially since he knows i'm interesting in becoming a doc.)

Trust me. Generic is the same chemical as name brand. Even if the coating is different. You are still getting 10mg of fluozetine, 325 mg of asprin, 500 mg of acetomitaphine, 200mg of ibueprophen, etc. The coating may make a little difference, but nothing people would notice unless they had an allergy to that particular coating.

The weaker or fewer side affects comes from who studied the drug. Reports differ and they play with statistics a little on these. You have to consider this, first a company creates a drug and patents it. As soon as the patent runs out other companies can COPY the formula. That is when you get generic drugs. Drug companies try like hell to keep their business going. (Here some disturbing infor for you.) They will give doctors and pharmacists money to endorse their name-brand stuff to keep the business going. They get gift certificates, free clothes, movie passes, and random junk for endorsing a name brand drug. This is where you get differing opinions.

I will ask my friend again since you made interesting points about inactive ingredients. Pharmacists do tend to know a bit more about medication and the affects they can have than docs. But as for right now i am VERY skeptical.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:08 PM

Isn't malpractice insurance one of the biggest expenses in todays medicine? If that would go away with public healthcare then I would be all for it.

I had a pain in my side when I was 28. I went to the doctor and he took an exray, told me I had a cracked rib and it would heal by itself. Total cost of the office visit was maybe $50. Last year a doctor wanted me to get chest exrays. I had to go to a hospital for the exrays and someone 200 miles away had to read them and get back to the doctor. Two office visits, exrays and reading them cost well over $360. For 2 exrays?

Something needs done and if the government wants to try, then I'm all for it.

Although I don't think I will ever go back to a doctor unless they take me on a stretcher. I'd rather live a short comfortable life than long one paying off stupid medical bills.


You are right, but it wouldn't.

What would go away, however, is name brand meds. This would lower the cost of medication by about 25%.

I just don't the the government saying you can't sue a doc if he makes a mistake...

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Mon 04/06/09 10:16 PM
Problem is; some of us have no choice in the matter. I have no health care at all. None...zilch. When speaking of wait time for health care by the government...that means nothing to me. I wait now. I cannot even see a Dr. No money to do it. No money for meds.

They need to do something to make it to where medical treatment could be done...so we wouldn't have to wait til there was an emergency to be seen...by then being too late sometimes. I think the medical community should be rewarded for prevention instead of sales. For every good outcome and prevention more money. Making it less lucrative to run a hospital or Drs office by charging more and doing less. Take away for less, give more for more.

I am for whatever gets those like me a chance to be seen by Drs and have half a chance to get better before we get worse.

Insurance companies are not the answer. They will do away with those that have used the insurance. Deny those that have a previous condition. Many insurance companies don't even have cancer coverage. Hello!! Prevention would be of some help here. What about the Chemo? Many do not cover that either. They will cover the cancer removal, but not the chemo. What is that about? Here..we will do this much for you...after that...you are on your own?

People with a good job and insurance get sick...get fired because of that illness (FMLA) hadn't taken effect. Insurance covers them for a very short time, then they have to buy cobra..it only helps you for a little while, at a more expensive cost. Then your options run out. Cause...everyone knows...NO INSURANCE company will pick you up now.

I am all for generic brands. I take them. They work as well as the name brand ones. That's another thing. The Drs get kickbacks for pushing all those name brand drugs on us.

Kat

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Mon 04/06/09 10:45 PM
I have a friend who's Mama is 64 and an Illegal. She was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer. He slipped her over the border and I won't tell you how, but, got her on Medicaid. They went to San Antonio to the Neurologist. Medicaid covered the cost of the tube. Forget what they call it. Shoved it down her throat with a camera on it.
Went back to the Oncologist and they called in the prescription for some sort of med they take along with the Chemo. At Wal-Mart, the med was $550.00. Don't know how long the script was for. They couldn't afford it so, the Oncologist got it for her through the mail at the cost covered by Medicaid. The Oncologist will have her on Chemo for 6 months and then they will see if they can operate.
So, if Medicaid is available to her, shouldn't be a problem for whoever you know is sick.
We don't need socialized, we have medicaid.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 04/06/09 10:47 PM
I really don't care how...right now all I care about is my family. that may sound harsh and i'm sorry.

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 10:51 PM

I have a friend who's Mama is 64 and an Illegal. She was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer. He slipped her over the border and I won't tell you how, but, got her on Medicaid. They went to San Antonio to the Neurologist. Medicaid covered the cost of the tube. Forget what they call it. Shoved it down her throat with a camera on it.
Went back to the Oncologist and they called in the prescription for some sort of med they take along with the Chemo. At Wal-Mart, the med was $550.00. Don't know how long the script was for. They couldn't afford it so, the Oncologist got it for her through the mail at the cost covered by Medicaid. The Oncologist will have her on Chemo for 6 months and then they will see if they can operate.
So, if Medicaid is available to her, shouldn't be a problem for whoever you know is sick.
We don't need socialized, we have medicaid.


Medicaid is income based. My state had it so that any adult making over $400 a month could not receive it but the children could. The new Governor is changing that. It's not so easy to get in my state, Willing.

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Mon 04/06/09 10:54 PM

I am studying to become a doctor. My best friend is a pharmacist. Half of my friends are nurses. I Speak to my primary care physician at the VA often as well (Especially since he knows i'm interesting in becoming a doc.)

Trust me. Generic is the same chemical as name brand. Even if the coating is different. You are still getting 10mg of fluozetine, 325 mg of asprin, 500 mg of acetomitaphine, 200mg of ibueprophen, etc. The coating may make a little difference, but nothing people would notice unless they had an allergy to that particular coating.

The weaker or fewer side affects comes from who studied the drug. Reports differ and they play with statistics a little on these. You have to consider this, first a company creates a drug and patents it. As soon as the patent runs out other companies can COPY the formula. That is when you get generic drugs. Drug companies try like hell to keep their business going. (Here some disturbing infor for you.) They will give doctors and pharmacists money to endorse their name-brand stuff to keep the business going. They get gift certificates, free clothes, movie passes, and random junk for endorsing a name brand drug. This is where you get differing opinions.

I will ask my friend again since you made interesting points about inactive ingredients. Pharmacists do tend to know a bit more about medication and the affects they can have than docs. But as for right now i am VERY skeptical.


Completely agree. Driving is right.

If I may, I'd suggest placing generic drug in a brand name bottle to see what happens. I think it is a placebo effect.

A little exception: There is a chance that a drug is not prepared properly. There is a chance of that for both, the brand name and generic drugs. However, if there are 1 brand name factory, and a 1000 of local pharmacies, then statistically, there is a bigger chance to get improperly prepared drug from a local pharmacy, if you are not sticking to only one of them.

catwoman96's photo
Mon 04/06/09 11:05 PM
I already pay enough taxes.
I dont trust the government.
Lord knows what they do with the money they take from paycheck every week now, I dont think I approve though.


why on earth would I support socialized healthcare??????
should I just start paging senators if my patients condition starts to detoriate????



stop treating the poor and the uninsured in the ER...when the same people with insurance get the same tretment at the doctors office.
decrease some freaking costs. duh. a bunch a ways to cut healthcare costs WITHOUT signing your LIFE (health) away to the goshdurned government.

close some freaking mcdonalds....let the mexiacans who work there go unemployed...idc.
americans dont want those jobs...too many americans are too lazy to a)seek a higher education or b)take a 'demeaning' job to make ends meet.

and yes..i called americans lazy. and fat. peace out


warmachine's photo
Tue 04/07/09 07:02 AM

I already pay enough taxes.
I dont trust the government.
Lord knows what they do with the money they take from paycheck every week now, I dont think I approve though.


why on earth would I support socialized healthcare??????
should I just start paging senators if my patients condition starts to detoriate????



stop treating the poor and the uninsured in the ER...when the same people with insurance get the same tretment at the doctors office.
decrease some freaking costs. duh. a bunch a ways to cut healthcare costs WITHOUT signing your LIFE (health) away to the goshdurned government.

close some freaking mcdonalds....let the mexiacans who work there go unemployed...idc.
americans dont want those jobs...too many americans are too lazy to a)seek a higher education or b)take a 'demeaning' job to make ends meet.

and yes..i called americans lazy. and fat. peace out




I simply cannot endorse Government, Taking something by force and giving it to someone else.

franshade's photo
Tue 04/07/09 07:53 AM




not all meds come in generic form...and my sister can tell them difference between them by the reaction she gets


The reaction is in her head, it's gotta be psychosomatic. There is none, i mean, NO difference between generics and brand names. Unless the dosages are different. In which case you could adjust accordingly. Or, if they don't have the generic form, so they mack a switch to something similar instead of the generic name of the same med.

If you look at a bottle of Prozac you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine (that's the name of the drug or chemical used).

If you get of bottle of fluoxetine you will see 10mg caps of fluoxetine. There is no difference.

The only difference you may find is after the experiation date on the medication. Name brand meds, like name brand breads, may be just a little fresher, which would give them a slightly longer shelf life.

When you go to a factory that produces this stuff you will see the machine bottling the Bayer will stop at about 11 am. Then they push a button to switch to equate asprin, and push the go button for the next to hours. Literally, the same machines even make the generic meds.


Drivin - I have heard different from pharmacists to doctors alike.

Generic drugs look different from brand-name drugs. This is because trademark laws do not allow generics to look exactly like brand-name drugs. Colors, flavors, and other inactive ingredients may be different. These differences may cause slightly different effects. Some brand-name drugs may be more easily absorbed by the body. Brand-name drugs may cause fewer or weaker side effects.






I am studying to become a doctor. My best friend is a pharmacist. Half of my friends are nurses. I Speak to my primary care physician at the VA often as well (Especially since he knows i'm interesting in becoming a doc.)

Trust me. Generic is the same chemical as name brand. Even if the coating is different. You are still getting 10mg of fluozetine, 325 mg of asprin, 500 mg of acetomitaphine, 200mg of ibueprophen, etc. The coating may make a little difference, but nothing people would notice unless they had an allergy to that particular coating.

The weaker or fewer side affects comes from who studied the drug. Reports differ and they play with statistics a little on these. You have to consider this, first a company creates a drug and patents it. As soon as the patent runs out other companies can COPY the formula. That is when you get generic drugs. Drug companies try like hell to keep their business going. (Here some disturbing infor for you.) They will give doctors and pharmacists money to endorse their name-brand stuff to keep the business going. They get gift certificates, free clothes, movie passes, and random junk for endorsing a name brand drug. This is where you get differing opinions.

I will ask my friend again since you made interesting points about inactive ingredients. Pharmacists do tend to know a bit more about medication and the affects they can have than docs. But as for right now i am VERY skeptical.


Please keep me informed, I question just about everything


nogames39's photo
Tue 04/07/09 09:32 AM

I simply cannot endorse Government, Taking something by force and giving it to someone else.


Well, my friend, there is nothing wrong with your position. By taking it, you align yourself with founding fathers. You basically state that you do not support tyranny. I don't, either. More specifically, I do not care what they do with what the loot. I just oppose the theft and robbery, for whatever the reason it happens to exist.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/14/09 09:12 PM
Wow, don't meant to bring up some old news... But there was a question i mentioned i would research a bit further (well, actually converse with a friend about.)

This was the question about the difference between generic brand meds and name brand meds.

My best friend is a lisenced pharmacist. He told me that every once in a great while people can have an allergy to an inactive ingredient they call "gluten" (If i remember correctly). This could influence the outcome of the medication. However, some name brands use this as well. He has seen a total of 2 cases of this within several years. This is a pretty rare instance.

But, for the most part, unless people know they are allergic to gluten, then name brand meds and generic meds are the same.

FYI