The point to my statements are missed again. You seem to disregard
everything I've said, misinterpret everything, and go on about how you
are right and I am wrong, stating you have more facts. If you can't
understand the key points even when I clearly point them out to you, its
really no longer worth the effort to respond...the answers are there,
you just gotta look them up. The way you question things I've said seem
to imply some sort of intimidation in them. I don't know why people
always do that. People think I'm challenging their statements or
something. I just stated my experience, take it or leave it, I don't
care, but I'm no longer responding to statements made on what I said
earlier. I was under the impression that everyone is just stating an
experience they had, I didn't know we were supposed to criticize people
and tell them they're right or wrong.

Who are you to tell me why did I even mention it?

The point to my statements are missed again. You seem to disregard
everything I've said, misinterpret everything, and go on about how you
are right and I am wrong, stating you have more facts.

I've done nothing of the kind.

If you can't understand the key points even when I clearly point them
out to you, its really no longer worth the effort to respond...the
answers are there, you just gotta look them up.

LOL..what makes you think I can't understand them?

The way you question things I've said seem to imply some sort of
intimidation in them.

Don't know why you think that.

I don't know why people always do that. People think I'm challenging
their statements or something. I just stated my experience, take it or
leave it, I don't care, but I'm no longer responding to statements made
on what I said
earlier.

Well, that's part of a discussion...if someone asks for clarification,
no need to get your panties in a wad about it.

I was under the impression that everyone is just stating an
experience they had, I didn't know we were supposed to criticize people
and tell them they're right or wrong.

I didn't say you were right or wrong. I said that an NDE is NOT a drug
induced or brain chemical-induced experience.

I'm trying to tell you that what you had was not a "true" NDE.

The only way I'm saying I'm "right" and you are "wrong" is because I
actually had the real experience, whereas, you did not.

I am telling you, from first-hand experience, that there is more to it
than just the chemical reactions.

I'm not discounting YOUR experience at all..but it was not altogether
similar to mine. If you can't accept that, that's your problem.

Who are you to tell me why did I even mention it?

Oh and to the last statement, who am I to tell you "why even mention
it?"

The question was asked in direct response to a statement you had made
that warranted such a question.

Halo>

I do not think she was attacking you personally.

I tend to agree with her. My experiance was not drug induced it was
death induced. I am not even sure you could call in a near death
experience cause flatline for 12 minutes is death in my book.

While I am not discounting your experience it was nothing like what I
experienced. I felt no fear. There were people in that place but they
were not mishapen in any way nor hard to see (they were quite brilliant)
I was also suprised to find when, at one point, I tried to look at my
arm I also was quite brilliant.

And again my experience was not artifically induced but was brought on
by trama followed by cesation of all measurable signs of life.

Thanks, AB. That's all I was trying to say.

And I believe the organic brain dies if deprived of oxygen for more than
four minutes, so it's a wonder you came back at all, or without some
kind of brain damage at least.

With a true NDE, you have to be clinically dead, i.e., your heart stops.

Some of his experience seems similar to what I experienced, some of it
seems similar to what I've read people describe how they thought they
were in hell.

I too had absolutely no fear whatsoever and it was an indescribably
beautiful experience. The light was not just "a light," I believe it was
Jesus Christ or at least some kind of representation of Him.

Ohh..just out of curiosity, after your NDE, have you noticed anything
unusual about watches when you wear them?

i have. the damned things either die quickly...or go too fast.

i just assumed i bought crappy, cheap watches.

I can not wear one. It does not work right. I can use a wind up one
but I must reset it all the time. I use a bob-watch now.

Me either. They either stop working or they run backward.

I've heard this happens frequently with people who have had NDEs and
also with people who have been struck by lightning. And I've had both
happen to me. (Two separate events).

Ooh, look what I found! Interesting stuff.

http://near-death.com/evidence.html

It doesn't qualify as an NDE but I have a friend who has been struck by
lightning twice. He can no longer feel cold.

Oh I can feel cold, all right. I wish I couldn't!

Had a few of them, I keep getting sent back, my purpose isn't fulfilled.
Every time that last spark of life is almost gone, I am given a glimpse
of the reason I am still here and pushed back in to this world. The body
has a lot of aches, pains, and scars from those close calls, but still
determined to go on.

Wow, you've had a few of them? That's amazing. Most people don't live to
tell about even one they've had! Clearly you must have a special purpose
in life.

Yes, I've had a few close calls...but 3 actual times I was supposed to
be a goner. It is a really super personal story and hard on me to tell.
But I will tell anyone who wants to know if you write me privately. What
constitutes death...or near death? When your heart stops for over 8
hours.

Was that medically induced? Or were you on life support of some kind?
Obviously you can't live if your heart stops being for that long, so I
am very curious!

iamgeorgia, here ya go. I saw your post and remembered this one.

Wow it seems so much like mine...

I appreciate the note! OK here is my story...

When I died… in the blink of an eye I was transformed into spirit form just like the bible says. I was able to see my own flesh body lying dead on the bottom of the lake where my death occurred. I had no doubt that I was dead when I realized I could see my flesh body lying there lifeless.

Immediately and uncontrollably I realized I was being brought upwards into the light in a spiritual body. How could anyone writing the bible possibly know this about life after death in advance of if it unless someone died and came back and told them, or through divine intervention.

The soul doesn’t die just because your flesh body does. It lives on like the bible says. I was also able to see what others near my flesh body were doing to try and save it as I was floating upwards into the bright comforting light. I felt and saw the awe of the creator’s presence just like the bible says.

Not everyone has an experience like this that they live to tell about. So I am doing my best to describe it. Just like the bible says when you die you are immediately transformed into a spiritual body and in the light of the presence of the Lord. I did experience this presence in this comforting light.

I do not belong to any organized religion that tries to convert others over to it. I just know life after the afterlife is real. I profoundly saw and felt the biblical aura of The Creator of the light. I know your soul lives on after death of the flesh body.

I know the bible can be hard to understand and seems to be filled with misinterpreted, contradictive, grandiose tales. Its authenticity questioned and debated and misrepresented by a lot of people. But I do get the gist.

I was in the aura of the light in my soul on my way upward through it after my flesh body died. I know the light is described in the bible as emitting from God. We are created in his spiritual image in the flesh and also for his pleasure.

My personal experience is proof enough for me about things unknown that are written in the bible. Prophecy is being fulfilled constantly and there is no way it could’ve been predicted without experience or divine intervention.

A lot of the things written in the bible have been proven through historians, scientists, people who died but lived and theists. I was in the light. Life does exist after death. I know this through my drowning experience. The spirit world is very real and it exists even though we can not see it in the flesh.

Call me crazy or delusional if you’d like. All souls belong to the creator and still exist there alive right now. One of them is my grandfather. He brought me back from the spirit into my flesh body again because he loved me, wanted me to live and was able to save my flesh body.

If I could’ve I would’ve taken a picture or video to prove what happened. But alas…I couldn’t possibly…had I known…yeah right…I was one that must’ve needed a glimpse of the truth to stand stronger in life maybe…

The bible teaches right from wrong. It teaches that the soul is eternal and how to keep it that way. Something gave the writers these truths to enable them to write it. I have to think it was divine intervention or through someone that had experienced it because the only other answers would be irrational.

I was only about 3 ½ years old when this happened to me and was too young to have formed a religious opinion. This was something that was so profound that I couldn’t help but remember it. I was too simple minded to have thought it all up.

In fact it took me a long time to even realize that what happened to me is even documented in the bible as descriptions of being in the other dimension along with The Living God. This world has two dimensions one seen in the flesh and the other in spirit. They exist simultaneously and the living flesh can only see the dimension it is in. The spirit world sees both.

I got the chance to see the other dimension and it was awesome just like the bible describes. Once I was brought back to life in my flesh body I was immediately unable to see the other dimension again. I know it exists though and I look forward to being there again someday.

awesome lulu...thanks for sharing that